[Sebastian Estrada]

Re: Greetings to all the community.

Well, that's encouraging to hear. But if we have the same beliefs, why don't you go to a Baptist church? What's your view on Baptism? You baptize babies, don't you?

If some one invites me to their Christian church I'll go because I fallow to Jesus Christ not to any men or stone temples. I have done that in the past where Christian Evangelical, or Pentecostal have invited me and I have attended very happy to be there, however i have no reason to change on denomination since I like the order and the way the mass is provided in the Catholicism since I'm not an extrovert person I prefer the peace and quiet on a temple. Yes, we baptize babies, also adults as many other Christians do. My point of view about baptism well I like how you guide your life based on the bible, I don't like make up on women, i don't like provocative clothes and i like women let their hair grow, however I couldn't be participant on some of you beliefs i saw you cause some injure to you woman after the marriage I personally couldn't hurt any body in this life, imagine if i rescue dogs from the streets, i adopt cats from shelters, i provide food to the homeless people in the streets and the hungry immigrant asking for jobs how could I be violent to another human being? that's totally against the second commandment, that is my belief about a Christian life.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Greetings to all the community.

Listen up Pablo: The Catholic cult is controlled by satan, and all papists are worshiping the whore of babylon. The truth is, Catholics aren't even Christian!

Watch your step, Pedro. Don't be pushing your Mary-worshiping blasphemy on my congregation.

[Sebastian Estrada]

Re: Greetings to all the community.

Listen up Pablo: The Catholic cult is controlled by satan, and all papists are worshiping the whore of babylon. The truth is, Catholics aren't even Christian!

Watch your step, Pedro. Don't be pushing your Mary-worshiping blasphemy on my congregation.

No vesicles, no quotes, just your personal opinion so... sorry bro your opinion doesn't count for me you just reacted like atheist do... they have no clue of what they are talking about but they claim to know everything just because they heard it from somebody else. I suggest you to get with the oldest members of you community to ask them help to instruct you on the understanding of the bible and please READ & ANALYZE the WHOLE bible..... Catholics are even Christian wow what a blasphemy...

Mark 9
39 But Jesus said, “Do not forbid him, for no one who works a miracle in My name can soon afterward speak evil of Me. 40 For he who is not against us is on our side. 41 For whoever gives you a cup of water to drink in My name, because you belong to Christ, assuredly, I say to you, he will by no means lose his reward.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Greetings to all the community.

No vesicles, no quotes, just your personal opinion so... sorry bro your opinion doesn't count for me you just reacted like atheist do... they have no clue of what they are talking about but they claim to know everything just because they heard it from somebody else. I suggest you to get with the oldest members of you community to ask them help to instruct you on the understanding of the bible and please READ & ANALYZE the WHOLE bible..... Catholics are even Christian wow what a blasphemy...

Mark 9
39 But Jesus said, “Do not forbid him, for no one who works a miracle in My name can soon afterward speak evil of Me. 40 For he who is not against us is on our side. 41 For whoever gives you a cup of water to drink in My name, because you belong to Christ, assuredly, I say to you, he will by no means lose his reward.

Dear Beaner;

When a Pastor wants you to read something, he will post a LINK for you to click on. The LINK will have a line under it. You can't be that ignorant.

Also, the apostasy of the papist "church" is not based on my personal opinion. Entire volumes have been written about this, enough to fill several libraries.

Go peddle your statue worship somewhere else, Juan. We worship Jesus at Landover Baptist Church, not His whore of a mother.

YIC,

--Pastor Ezekiel

[Elmer G. White]

Re: Greetings to all the community.

...atheist salvation (you don't have to believe anything and you still can go into Heaven; compare with John 3:18). Correct but also was said on Romans 2:9-16 some one can be saved even if you don't know the law of God but the Law is in their hearts;
9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another
16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

Mr. Estrada,

I still fail to understand you Faith regarding this issue. Please do not get me wrong. I think that you've come a long way as your original affiliation was the Catholic religion. I've marked the crucial passages in red typeface for your convenience.

You can be saved if the law is in your heart? ... Jesus will still judge you according to the Gospel (i.e., the good message that Jesus was temporarily sacrificed for our sins)??

I'm with you here but, please, take the next step. HOW is Jesus going to judge these people. In fact, you've given the answer yourself by referring to John 3:15-18.

John 3:18
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

The judgment has been cast. It lingers upon the air and the very fabric of this world in every single portion of Planck time. The judgment has been done is being done and will be done according to this. If you fail to believe in Jesus, you are doomed.

John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Can you really dismiss these passages with referring to "Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another"? Can you? They are, obviously, True™ Words but are the words of Jesus in their clarity and demand of Faith in Him something less? They tell us explicitly that unbelievers are condemned. Circumstantial logic and referrals to Romans 2 with the verses you chose do not change that.


In addition, if your idea of atheists salvation were true, there would be no sense in anything. The whole concept of Christianity collapses if we let in the possibility of unbelievers coming with us into Heaven. If Jesus is not required, what's the point? Why would He have been crucified? Why would God have banished Adam and Eve from Eden if He hadn't planned to overturn this by human sacrifice? If everyone could get into Heaven by some simple natural ethics, why would we need the Commandments of God? If morals did not derive from God, why would we have the Bible? If people could deduce the ethical rules based on their interactions and common good, why have sermons based on Scripture? You may comment that the possibility of atheist Salvation based on Law in the Heart would be most unlikely but it MUST be impossible or the basic structure of Christianity collapses.

But, as said, I think you've come a long way. It is time you renounced the Catholic religion for Christianity.





Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[Alan Swallows Waiting for Email Confirmation]

Re: Greetings to all the community.

Yes, we baptize babies

That's not in the Bible. Pouring water over a baby's head is meaningless.

however I couldn't be participant on some of you beliefs i saw you cause some injure to you woman after the marriage I personally couldn't hurt any body in this life.

I don't know what beliefs you're talking about specifically, you didn't say. But take for example spanking children. The Bible tells parents to hit their kids.

Proverbs 22:15 Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him.

Do you obey the Bible in this? If you don't, you're not a Christian.

however Christians who ask saints to intercede for them do not brake the law (KJV):

2 Thessalonians 3
1 Finally, brethren, pray for us, that the word of the Lord may have free course, and be glorified, even as it is with you:
2 And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.

James 5:6
16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

I hope you're not using these verses to justify asking dead saints to intercede for you. The saints in these verses are very much alive.

[Sebastian Estrada]

Re: Greetings to all the community.

That's not in the Bible. Pouring water over a baby's head is meaningless.

What vesicle says NOT to do it or is meaningless? If none.. then you are using your own opinion not Jesus's.


I don't know what beliefs you're talking about specifically, you didn't say. But take for example spanking children. The Bible tells parents to hit their kids.

Proverbs 22:15 Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him.

Do you obey the Bible in this? If you don't, you're not a Christian.

Again....too easy:
Ephesians 6 (NKJV)
4 And you, fathers, do not provoke your children to wrath, but bring them up in the training and admonition of the Lord.

Colossians 3
21 Fathers, do not provoke your children, lest they become discouraged.

Ephesians 5
25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her, 26 that He might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word, 27 that He might present her to Himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that she should be holy and without blemish. 28 So husbands ought to love their own wives as their own bodies; he who loves his wife loves himself. 29 For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as the Lord does the church.


Do you obey the Bible in this? If you don't, you're not a Christian.


I hope you're not using these verses to justify asking dead saints to intercede for you. The saints in these verses are very much alive.

Yes I am, Saints are not dead just sleep until the Day of judgement:

1 Corinthians 15
51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed

1 Thessalonians 4
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.

Luke 16
22 So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s bosom.

Revelation 6
9 When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held.

Revelation 20
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

[Basilissa]

Re: Greetings to all the community.

Yes I am, Saints are not dead just sleep until the Day of judgement:

1 Corinthians 15
51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed

1 Thessalonians 4
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.

Please correct me if I am wrong, but in my experience a person who is sleeping cannot pray at the same time. Unless this person is dreaming about praying, but that's something entirely different - that's a product of this person's imagination and not an actual prayer.

Luke 16
22 So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s bosom.

...That's one person. And we don't know if he can hear our prayers, either. Now go and find me a verse that says that dead people whom you call saints (half of whom are Christianized pagan gods, anyway) are AWAKE and listening to your prayers.

Revelation 20
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

As far as I know, the Judgement Day hasn't happened yet. (I didn't get that newsletter!) So, that verse hasn't happened yet.

[Sebastian Estrada]

Re: Greetings to all the community.

Please correct me if I am wrong, but in my experience a person who is sleeping cannot pray at the same time. Unless this person is dreaming about praying, but that's something entirely different - that's a product of this person's imagination and not an actual prayer.



...That's one person. And we don't know if he can hear our prayers, either. Now go and find me a verse that says that dead people whom you call saints (half of whom are Christianized pagan gods, anyway) are AWAKE and listening to your prayers.



As far as I know, the Judgement Day hasn't happened yet. (I didn't get that newsletter!) So, that verse hasn't happened yet.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA for what u have answered, I BET MY HOUSE YOU ARE 13yo HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA LMAO

[Basilissa]

Re: Greetings to all the community.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA for what u have answered, I BET MY HOUSE YOU ARE 13yo HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA LMAO

In other words: you do not have an actual answer, because otherwise you wouldn't feel compelled to resort to ad hominem attacks.

May I ask a question, how does breaking one of the Ten Commandments feel like? I'm talking about the graven images thing (unless there are other Commandments that you have also broken).

[Alan Swallows Waiting for Email Confirmation]

Re: Greetings to all the community.

Yes I am, Saints are not dead just sleep until the Day of judgement:

None of these verses say you can ask sleeping saints to pray for you. To those of us left behind, our sleeping brothers and sisters are as far beyond our reach as a dead unbeliever. We can't see them or talk to them.

Again....too easy:
Ephesians 6:4 And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord.

Colossians 3:21 Fathers, provoke not your children to anger, lest they be discouraged.

You bring up your children in the nurture and admonition of the Lord by hitting them. Otherwise the Bible would be contradicting itself.