[curtisedwardgrice (Quarantined)]

Re: I was here before I lost my mind

Why would we care about that?

But He does not. Mary did not have sex with Joseph (that's why Joseph was jealous and though Mary was sleeping around, and God had to send an angel to explain things to Joseph), so there is no David's DNA in Jesus. Unless Mary was a descendant of David, but we have no evidence for that.

Because Jesus does not say "I am a descendant of David." He responds vaguely with a non-answer answer, as any good politician would:

Mark 12:35-38
35 And Jesus answered and said, while he taught in the temple, How say the scribes that Christ is the son of David?
36 For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The Lord said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
37 David therefore himself calleth him Lord; and whence is he then his son? And the common people heard him gladly.
38 And he said unto them in his doctrine, Beware of the scribes, which love to go in long clothing, and love salutations in the marketplaces,

So this passage starts with the scribes saying that Jesus is a descendant of David, and ends with Jesus rebuking people for listening to scribes.

I was not aware this site was part of Facebook?

I don't think I have been rude to you, sweetie. The only thing I want is that you start reading the Holy Bible, because I'm still not convinced that you started yet.

Do you even know in what meaning the word "ass" is used in the Bible?

For future reference - I do not own any asses, so I don't have to worry about my asses being safe or not.

Well, at least you can be funny!

PROVE IT BY SHOWING US THAT YOU HAVE ACTUALLY READ THE BIBLE.

Then I will be happy.

No, sweetie, I'm not in church, I'm just sitting at home. I'm never on the computer/tablet/phone while in church. Church is for praying.

Read the replies that have already been posted on this subject the previous time you raised it.

That is cute. While I cannot speak for our Godly men, I'm quite sure no apologies are coming your way.

Who should apologize, is you. Not to us, to Jesus. Repent for your sins and start reading the Bible.

But, that's not what God said:

Psalm 119:1-3
1 ALEPH. Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD.
2 Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart.
3 They also do no iniquity: they walk in his ways.

Luke 6:40 The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.

Romans 6:20-23
20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

1 John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

Yeah, but sometimes people of other races had to humiliate themselves before He did show His compassion:

Mark 7:25-30
25 For a certain woman, whose young daughter had an unclean spirit, heard of him, and came and fell at his feet:
26 The woman was a Greek, a Syrophenician by nation; and she besought him that he would cast forth the devil out of her daughter.
27 But Jesus said unto her, Let the children first be filled: for it is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it unto the dogs.
28 And she answered and said unto him, Yes, Lord: yet the dogs under the table eat of the children's crumbs.
29 And he said unto her, For this saying go thy way; the devil is gone out of thy daughter.
30 And when she was come to her house, she found the devil gone out, and her daughter laid upon the bed.

He committed plenty of verbal abuse, though:



Clean that log from your eye before you start checking our specks, will you sweetie?

A whole string of infractions coming right atcha!

lol you are definitely now my friend

[Basilissa]

Re: I was here before I lost my mind

lol you are definitely now my friend

Aww, thank you, sweetie, that is a very nice thing to say!

Now, have you started reading the Bible yet? I would love to actually discuss it with you.

We could start by reviewing this thread and looking at all instances where you posed an idea, which was then debunked by True Christians™ using multiple direct quotations from the Holy Bible, after which you simply moved on to the next ridiculous idea you had, ignoring our responses.

That would be both fun and educational, don't you think?

[curtisedwardgrice (Quarantined)]

Re: I was here before I lost my mind

Aww, thank you, sweetie, that is a very nice thing to say!

Now, have you started reading the Bible yet? I would love to actually discuss it with you.

We could start by reviewing this thread and looking at all instances where you posed an idea, which was then debunked by True Christians™ using multiple direct quotations from the Holy Bible, after which you simply moved on to the next ridiculous idea you had, ignoring our responses.

That would be both fun and educational, don't you think?

most of it was a test on my part

[Basilissa]

Re: I was here before I lost my mind

most of it was a test on my part

Well, I don't think you passed it, Curtis - you seem as ignorant about what the Bible actually says as you were these 20 pages ago.

[Dolores de Barriga]

Re: I was here before I lost my mind

he is the Divine Son of God separate but equal power to God the Word of God made flesh still not God rather a successor to the throne of his fathers kingdom

Wow, and I thought that the mainstream Christian idea of Trinity was confusing! But at least I can grasp the three-in-one combo idea by thinking about conscious and subconscious, which is a two-in-one combo.


I do not understand your thought, though.


If Jesus is not God, is He a semi-god? Demigod? Half man, half God?


And where does the Holy Spirit come into equation? Is that a second God? Or another demigod like Jesus?


This is very confusing, but I appreciate your efforts to explain this to me.

he was refering to like minded same thoughts and ideas, if they were the same why would he cry out father why have thou forsaken me when dying on the cross, even better how could he die on the cross if they are the same? Gods cant die.

That is not entirely true - the idea of a god that died and was reborn has been quite popular in many pagan religions. For example, the myth of Osiris can be seen as direct ancestor of the Christian idea.


I see, however, you are struggling with the idea of Trinity as much as I am struggling with your concept of Jesus not being God. I suppose it is due to way we were raised and what we were acculturated to believe as true.

Characteristics of spoken language which never appear in writing are carried over and, conversely, elements unique to writing are rendered via speech synthesis and heard by the necessarily uncomprehending sub-literate. Do you think communication would be possible under such circumstances?

This is a good question, but I think the answer is yes. A person who learns a foreign language often starts by reading transcriptions of simple oral communications. They are not perfect renderings of the actual speech, of course; they have already been cleaned up for the written medium. When I transcribe an interview I always struggle what to do with pauses... non-verbal vocalizations (eee, ummm)... unnecessary words (like, you know, repetitions). Leaving them in the text makes the text slightly less readable, but also appear more honest.


Of course, what is irreversibly lost in the transcript is the nonverbal communication, unless the interviewer makes notes such as "X smiles... whispers... shouts... says with affection... nods emphatically... rolls her eyes..." etc.


Returning to our hypothetical situation. I think we have established that it is possible for a literate person to understand the rough transcript of a verbal communication, even devoid of the nonverbal communication aspect. Hence, if such situation occurs, the easiest way for the literate person is to simplify - dumb down, if you will - their way of expression. Of course, in the written-to-spoken translation, the rendition will be an emotionless voice which does not help comprehension - especially where sarcasm/irony are invoved. Nonetheless, whether the illiterate one can understand the oral version of written communication, that depends on who the illiterate is - are we talking about a genuinely intelligent person who grew up in an illiterate society, or are we talking about a less-than-smart product of the Western post-literate world? The former might be ignorant of the meaning of technical jargon, but understand general concepts. The latter... well... might be unteachable.

Then there is the difficult type. For God nothing is impossible but when someone outright refuses to even acknowledge that God has communicated in the first instance, including what Jesus is going to do with everyone who does not accept His Perfect Love, can communication ever be established at all? It seems very unlikely. Perhaps in your studies you will come across similar situations but in this thread so far no solution has been forthcoming.

This is the most sad situation of all. Those who hear but do not listen. I believe Jesus talked about people like that, too.

[curtisedwardgrice (Quarantined)]

Re: I was here before I lost my mind

Well, I don't think you passed it, Curtis - you seem as ignorant about what the Bible actually says as you were these 20 pages ago.

im not i just don't see relevance of posting it here like y'all do as it stands, my walk is separate from your walk but has the same end goal to be close to and welcomed by God in heaven

[Basilissa]

Re: I was here before I lost my mind

im not i just don't see relevance of posting it here like y'all do as it stands, my walk is separate from your walk but has the same end goal to be close to and welcomed by God in heaven

If you really mean that, then let me recommend you, again, to read the Holy Bible. Don't skip what you once called the "evil bits" (which is somewhat preposterous as we are talking about the Word of God) - no, read all of it. Not just a few cherry-picked verses that sound nice.

If you are half as smart as you think you are, you should be able to understand what the Bible says. Just read it and let it speak to you - rather than clinging to what other people (your friend the Baptist preacher, us, or anyone else) tell you about it. See the Bible for what it really is, not for what someone tells you it is or should be.

In all honesty, I do believe that if more people (all of whom call themselves Christians) read the Bible, like really, really read the whole thing, there would be less religious conflicts.

[handmaiden]

Re: I was here before I lost my mind

Funny . . . I have more logic than you I have more intelligence than you . . . me I'm as smart as giddy up. . .

You are correct. Your post is funny. This is not an easy task to accomplish when stringing together an unending excruciating collection of barely decernible sentences.


Thomas Kuhn couldn't manage it with Structure of a Scientfic Revolution.

[Brother Gonzalez]

Re: I was here before I lost my mind

Funny you ask for scripture I give you mark 12 in full plus the references to other verses to back it up and yet you still in fact me y'all people are so crazy and don't blame it on your Jesus OS it doesn't exist just what you want to call this website and take your blame off of everything that you didn't touch it the website didn't know it doesn't work like that sorry Facebook doesn't block pornography because it's a program Facebook idiot there is a loaded cuz they're required to check all incoming and outgoing pictures I checked by the way know if you want to continue runningI suggest you treat me a little more f****** respect because I'm tired of your stupid games and I know you're going to infract me for this whatever but hey that's what you do right that's your form of bullying and you can't actually say anything cuz it would denote your Christianity so you would rather infract someone that way your ass is safe oh and you can't infect me for saying ass it's in the Bible it say word of God I have more logic than you I have more intelligence than you you've insulted every part of my being in the past 20-something pages but guess what that doesn't change me I'm as smart as giddy up there only not so atheist I'm more Christian than you I'm a hell of a lot more Christian than any of you however you would rather say you're the the main religion you're the you're the main Church you're you're the you're the alpha omega beginning and end of everything Church by the way I find Omega does mean beginning an end by the way so I wasn't insulting you kind of I will say this you have a lot of gall a lot of nerve a lot of balls especially you women because if you going to follow the word of God that says you're not supposed to speak in church and this is a churc Church websitewomen that means anything spoken here typed here written here scripture in here scripture using here is in fact talking about God and church therefore shut the hell up all you men who think you some damn buddy I'm going to give you one chance to apologize to me I don't mean your rinky-dink infecting and apologies that say oh you're insulting us you insulted a true Christian and this and that no I want a real apology if you have to post a picture of a redneck on his hands and knees saying I'm sorry sir do it cuz I'm done with y'all I'm done with everything y'all stand for you can say you're true Christians but I've read everything you've done I gave you your scripture and yet you still act like you're better than somebody you ain't get a clue people Jesus was perfect you're not and you never will be you're not even close sorry he taught he showed compassion he never once raised his hand to anybody only turntables in the church because they were selling stuff out of his father's house after that he repented he never once gave in to the Temptation Of The Satan but y'all have every day every time you open your mouth every time you log on this website I await your apologies and there better not being an infraction

Curtis, God gave us dots, commas, semicolons and even the enter key on the keyboard for a reason. Please be a good boy and use them.

[Basilissa]

Re: I was here before I lost my mind

Curtis, God gave us dots, commas, semicolons and even the enter key on the keyboard for a reason. Please be a good boy and use them.

Don't you know? Curtis is too smart to use any punctuation. You have to guess what he means instead of just reading it. It's plain genius.

[curtisedwardgrice (Quarantined)]

Re: I was here before I lost my mind

Don't you know? Curtis is too smart to use any punctuation. You have to guess what he means instead of just reading it. It's plain genius.

very astute of you to notice. *smiles*.

[Harsha Shah]

Re: I was here before I lost my mind

I'm sorry I didn't see any questions you didn't anwser yourself, if I missed any please re ask.

Yes, Mr. Grice. I am very sorry that I was offending you. I am thinking that my posts were unclear and I am apologizing. I am now posing my questions in bullet points. Please feel free not to answer them if I am offending you further as a heathen woman. Yes.

• Have you been reading the Jaina sutras?
• Are you thinking that Jesus could be compared to yin and yang as he he is being both merciful and vengeful in his red words? Is the punishment in your Hell same as karma, yes?
• What are you thinking: Would I have a better change to be getting into your heaven if I were following your christianity or if I were to follow the christianity of this forum?
• Are you thinking that the christians of this forum will get into your heaven?
• Do you know the story of the blind men and the elephant? What would you be saying about the elephant? Yes?
• Yes, You are debating with these christians if Jesus was your god or the son of God. Are you thinking that this is an opinion that is determining the entry of christians into your heaven?
• If I shall not be converting into christianity, what will happen to me when I will be dying? Yes?

Yes, I am thanking you for your expert opinion in advance. Yes. This was Harsha Shah, yes.

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: I was here before I lost my mind

well if you think about it he is we are all Brothers and Sisters in Christ

Even lesbians? Are you mad?

YIC

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: I was here before I lost my mind

Yes, Mr. Grice. I am very sorry that I was offending you. I am thinking that my posts were unclear and I am apologizing. I am now posing my questions in bullet points. Please feel free not to answer them if I am offending you further as a heathen woman. Yes.

• Have you been reading the Jaina sutras?
• Are you thinking that Jesus could be compared to yin and yang as he he is being both merciful and vengeful in his red words? Is the punishment in your Hell same as karma, yes?
• What are you thinking: Would I have a better change to be getting into your heaven if I were following your christianity or if I were to follow the christianity of this forum?
• Are you thinking that the christians of this forum will get into your heaven?
• Do you know the story of the blind men and the elephant? What would you be saying about the elephant? Yes?
• Yes, You are debating with these christians if Jesus was your god or the son of God. Are you thinking that this is an opinion that is determining the entry of christians into your heaven?
• If I shall not be converting into christianity, what will happen to me when I will be dying? Yes?

Yes, I am thanking you for your expert opinion in advance. Yes. This was Harsha Shah, yes.

Thank you for suggesting a response format. This poster Grice doesn't understand the point of your contribution however. Just a few posts ago #383 I tried spoonfeeding evidence from John's Gospel all he had to do was follow the source to get from A to B and I even included the conclusion. Nothing.

A

John 1:14-15 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us.….John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.

B

John 1:29-30 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me.

I know you have trouble not thinking about elephants. Although there are differences between India and Africa in the way elephants are treated, there are also some quite specific similarities. I've never seen one in Scotland despite having camped out by Loch Ness (according to the local blasting timetable) hoping for an eruption and can assure you that if a marauding bull had turned up I would have noticed. What we have here is even more blind than that and your next bullet highlights it very well. The question about whether Jesus is God had already been answered, including the Scripture I posted and you may not agree with it but I'm sure you can read it even if you think Jesus is Ganesh, yet for Grice the topic is still live and I was also wondering if he thinks Salvation is conditional upon this point of doctrine?

I have no idea what he thinks about when contemplating an elephant but have edited the picture just to be on the safe side especially if he's attempting your thought experiment. The Bible is explicit: Jesus is 100% God. Rejecting The Bible is rejecting God. The surmounting question for me is not whether Grice rejects The Bible or what he'd say about elephants but why he rejects The Bible and how he thinks God will respond when told He got it wrong in His own explanation about the need for and the means of Redemption.

Would you like to be Redeemed too, Harsha?

Jesus has paid the price.

Respond to Him today.

[curtisedwardgrice (Quarantined)]

Re: I was here before I lost my mind

Yes, Mr. Grice. I am very sorry that I was offending you. I am thinking that my posts were unclear and I am apologizing. I am now posing my questions in bullet points. Please feel free not to answer them if I am offending you further as a heathen woman. Yes.

• Have you been reading the Jaina sutras? (No)
• Are you thinking that Jesus could be compared to yin and yang as he he is being both merciful and vengeful in his red words? Is the punishment in your Hell same as karma, yes? (Makes sense)
• What are you thinking: Would I have a better change to be getting into your heaven if I were following your christianity or if I were to follow the christianity of this forum?(same heaven)
• Are you thinking that the christians of this forum will get into your heaven?(yes)
• Do you know the story of the blind men and the elephant? What would you be saying about the elephant? Yes?(no)
• Yes, You are debating with these christians if Jesus was your god or the son of God. Are you thinking that this is an opinion that is determining the entry of christians into your heaven? (No its following the rules)
• If I shall not be converting into christianity, what will happen to me when I will be dying? Yes? (If you follow the word of God you will go to heaven)

Yes, I am thanking you for your expert opinion in advance. Yes. This was Harsha Shah, yes.

hope this helps.