[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

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How would I be in my teenage years if I started school in 1998? Answer is simple, as I went to school for 12 full years like everybody else, and I left school 2 months shy of my 17th birthday.

And no, I'm not going back.

Why so aggressive, dear? We only have your best interests at heart, you know. Philippians 2:4 is clear on that. Is there some way we should have known what year you started school? Do excuse me if I have missed a post containing this vital piece of information.

Most people go to school for either 11 years (the thickos who have trouble with GCSE mathematics spring to mind) or 13 years (those who have some hope of getting into further education). Here is a helpful So 12 years is not really like everybody else, is it? But September birthdays are such a problem.

If you are now too old to go back to school, have you considered some sort of remedial evening class to address your problems with scientific method? The anger management is a separate issue, and one that perhaps your GP could help you with.

YiC
JL-V

[handmaiden]

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And I mentioned the whole thing about science because it's obvious that some people here think that I'm a science professor who can just pull information out from thin air (something that I wish I could do but can't).

I admire your frank admission. Only Jesus could pull information out of thin air. Like that time he told the Samaritan women that she didn't have a husband but was actually shacking up with a guy who wasn't her husband. John 4:17-18. That was so cool how he read her mind like that!


However, while you are not omniscient like Jesus, you probably do have access to books and whatnot. Now, I still must insist that you actually read the Bible if you wish to participate in any serious discussion thereof; all the same, if you want to bring science to the table, citing your sources might shore up your position.

[Dolores de Barriga]

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I respect the opinions of others, and I will expect others to respect mine too.

And here's where we differ because, as I already said, I do not care about opinions, I just want to know what evidence do you have to support your opinions. The Genesis counts as evidence for the Christian creationist side, because it is believed to be the Word of God. Genetics counts as evidence for the scientific side, because it's backed up by scientific data.

So far, you have failed to provide any sort of evidence for the alien hypothesis. BTW, good job on ignoring my previous post on the subject. Not very scientific of you, but the religious side of the debate often finds that ignoring offered evidence is the best way to contradict it.

Doesn't matter if I get ridiculed, as at the end of the day, all sides have "evidence" claiming that they are correct

Except for you. So far you have presented nothing that could count as evidence, neither from the religious nor scientific point of view.

Therefore, I cannot respect your opinion as it is a baseless claim which is not supported by any evidence at all.

How would I be in my teenage years if I started school in 1998? Answer is simple, as I went to school for 12 full years like everybody else, and I left school 2 months shy of my 17th birthday.

And no, I'm not going back.

That means you had really bad teachers who pushed you from one grade to another. If you were my student I wouldn't let you slip from grade to grade without proving to me that you are actually learning something.

[agnesaliencat]

Re: Agnostic Theist Reporting For Duty

Why so aggressive, dear? We only have your best interests at heart, you know. Philippians 2:4 is clear on that. Is there some way we should have known what year you started school? Do excuse me if I have missed a post containing this vital piece of information.

Most people go to school for either 11 years (the thickos who have trouble with GCSE mathematics spring to mind) or 13 years (those who have some hope of getting into further education). Here is a helpful So 12 years is not really like everybody else, is it? But September birthdays are such a problem.

If you are now too old to go back to school, have you considered some sort of remedial evening class to address your problems with scientific method? The anger management is a separate issue, and one that perhaps your GP could help you with.

YiC
JL-V

I don't have anger issues. Also, I went into college after school and did a 2 year biology course. As for my birthday, it's actually in October, but because I had to deal with the small issue of moving out of Liverpool a year into my secondary education, I found myself effectively losing a year in education because the system in Scotland is slightly different, and I will never step foot into a classroom again after finding out that they are nothing but places where people are brainwashed (which was also why I never did my homework either, as that was just another way of submitting into a system that I really didn't want to be a part of).

And I also know you didn't either, as we were all taught one curriculum or another, and none of us signed up for it. You also didn't sign up for the fact that the US was not "promised" to you (your ancestors just took it), so please remember when you next say that only white people are Americans that the real Americans are the ones whose land your ancestors took without permission, and you'll also do well to remember that the first person to get baptised was a black person (as Jesus - whether you like it or not - was not racist, nor was he caucasian as people would have you believe).

[Didymus Much]

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...you'll also do well to remember that the first person to get baptised was a black person...

If you want to make headway with the True Christians™, stop claiming made-up bullshit that has no basis in Scripture.

...as Jesus - whether you like it or not - was not racist...

Gee, His Dad sure is (according to the Bible), always going around in the Old Testament condemning people to oblivion based solely on their race. Go look up what happened to the Hittites, and the Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, etc.

Oh, and Jesus is God (according to the Bible). See John 10:30.

So what's your position now? Is Jesus racist? Or is the Bible horseshit?

If you can't trust the Bible, how do you know Jesus even existed?

[Basilissa]

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I will never step foot into a classroom again after finding out that they are nothing but places where people are brainwashed (which was also why I never did my homework either, as that was just another way of submitting into a system that I really didn't want to be a part of).

Way to go, sweetie! Because ignorance rulez!

You also didn't sign up for the fact that the US was not "promised" to you (your ancestors just took it), so please remember when you next say that only white people are Americans that the real Americans are the ones whose land your ancestors took without permission,

Where did that come from?

Oh, I forgot, in your hatred of the educational system hate of logic and coherence is obviously included.

and you'll also do well to remember that the first person to get baptised was a black person

That is not in the Bible, sweetie! You can read all about the fist baptisms in Matthew chapter 3.

If you cannot read (nothing would surprise me at this point), there are Bible audio books as well.

(as Jesus - whether you like it or not - was not racist,

Really? So why did He call people who were not Jewish, dogs (Matthew 15:21-28)?

nor was he caucasian as people would have you believe).

Oh? And your proof for that is...?

[Thomas Taylor]

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I don't have anger issues. Also, I went into college after school and did a 2 year biology course. As for my birthday, it's actually in October, but because I had to deal with the small issue of moving out of Liverpool a year into my secondary education, I found myself effectively losing a year in education because the system in Scotland is slightly different, and I will never step foot into a classroom again after finding out that they are nothing but places where people are brainwashed (which was also why I never did my homework either, as that was just another way of submitting into a system that I really didn't want to be a part of).

And I also know you didn't either, as we were all taught one curriculum or another, and none of us signed up for it. You also didn't sign up for the fact that the US was not "promised" to you (your ancestors just took it), so please remember when you next say that only white people are Americans that the real Americans are the ones whose land your ancestors took without permission, and you'll also do well to remember that the first person to get baptised was a black person (as Jesus - whether you like it or not - was not racist, nor was he caucasian as people would have you believe).

Hello Agnes,


I see you've moved to Scotland. How does it feel to live in a liberal, limp wristed country that is filled with transgender men and women? How can you allow all the men to run around wearing dresses. Why do you allow a woman to run your country, I mean it's just not right. This silly woman Nickolas Sturgeon (fish by name, fishwife by nature) has had the gall to suggest secession from the crown. How dare she. If she does that how will you afford your deep fried mars bars and slabs of Tenants Super (you know, the one in the blue tin).


Also, just wanted to point out Miss Joanna is ENGLISH, not American. Please stop being so angry at the world. It is unbecoming in a young man like yourself. Do you have any "A" levels? I have six.


God has a few things to say about education:
1 Timothy Chapter 2



11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.


Proverbs 13:1


“A wise son heareth his father's instruction: but a scorner heareth not rebuke.”



Have a glorious day


YIC
TT

[MitzaLizalor]

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I posted a clip of atheistic dogma containing CGI and here it is on youtube for reference. It's about the stars but contains serious errors.

How many ways can you see in there that God is contradicted, laughed at as a liar who is ignorant of His Creation and doesn't know anything at all about anything He created?

In that "Astounding Fact" clip, deGrasse Tyson contradicts The Bible in a number of ways. I am glad that you take an interest in the wonderful world God has created for us to live in, after all God encourages us to learn from nature.

SOLOMON

PROVERBS 6:6-8 Go to the ant, thou sluggard; consider her ways, and be wise: Which having no guide, overseer, or ruler, provideth her meat in the summer, and gathereth her food in the harvest... kjv

JESUS

LUKE 12:24-28d Consider the ravens: for they neither sow nor reap; which neither have storehouse nor barn; and God feedeth them: how much more are ye better than the fowls? And which of you with taking thought can add to his stature one cubit? If ye then be not able to do that thing which is least, why take ye thought for the rest? Consider the lilies how they grow: they toil not, they spin not; and yet I say unto you, that Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. If then God so clothe the grass, which is to day in the field, and to morrow is cast into the oven; how much more will he clothe you? .. kjv

I noted down a few ways God was contradicted in the youtube. From the outset he sets up a lie and it must be a lie because it declares that God was wrong, God who actually made everything.


1st – We are presented with exploding stars. Well, The Bible does not say that stars can't explode but what is going on here is windowdressing for the foundational lie. Next @0:53 he announces that oxygen was distributed during these explosions. This CANNOT be true. Whether you think a day in Genesis is 24 hours or a hundred thousand million billion trillion years is immaterial. Water contains oxygen and water was present from the outset indeed it was necessary for God to establish a large "bubble" in the water SO THAT dry land could appear where grass, herbs, cereals and fruit trees could grow. Obviously apricots cannot grow on the seabed! At this stage the sun DID NOT EXIST and the stars.–.all the stars.–.DID NOT EXIST. Neil deGrasse Tyson is calling God a liar. Water existed from day one. Oxygen predates the creation of any star.

2nd – Having set the stage with this foundational lie of science and after a short pause with lulling music the presentation continues: "and all the fundamental ingredients of life itself." WRONG! This is supposed to have happened before the earth existed? God is very explicit here. The ingredients for life existed well before there were any stars to explode! Has deGrasse Tyson even read The Bible?

3rd – Science really has got this all backwards. Half way through the lies get reinforced with some mawkish blather about us being in the universe and the universe in us. Eventually, God explains, after the trees were growing and cereals were there ready for food and pasture for animals and herbs for seasoning He made the sun and the the stars. NOW they could explode but this would have little impact on the abundance of life already growing. According to science there was no carbon to make wood and no oxygen to make water until the stars exploded.

4th – Although brief, the youtube clip contradicts God in other ways too. The Bible explains how creation was blasted forever through sin. Everything is ruined, the plants now have spikes and many animals have to eat one another to survive. Death and disease have writhed into existence and the ground is cursed because of Eve. Agony, pain and despair. A perpetual nightmare in which we have no choice but to participate just by being alive. Only Jesus can disconnect us. Let's see what The Bible says.

THE BIBLE

II CORINTHIANS 6:16b-17a Ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord... kjv

HEBREWS 7:25-26 [Jesus] is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them. For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;.. kjv

Astrophysics promotes the exact opposite with the following statement @1:51f "That’s really what you want in life, you want to feel connected, you want to feel relevant, you want to feel like you’re a participant in the goings on of activities and events around you; that’s precisely what we are, just by being alive." Everything we see, whether using binoculars or not, is infected with sin absolutely vile and scheduled for destruction followed by everlasting torture exactly as deserved. No sane person would want to participate in such a horror show yet these wretched scientists try to indoctrinate everyone with lies from infancy.

5th – He follows this up with some 3D animated graphics, last of which according to the credits is a sunset on Mars. But they’ve got it so wrong. Firstly the sun is the wrong colour. Turquoise? We all know what colour the sun is! Next it’s too small. Below is an actual sunset and at right I've posted two stills comparing the "Mars sunset" with a real one. God is clear that a firmament separates the waters above from the waters below. I'll allow that a rocket could fly up to Mars for the purposes of illustration and deGrasse Tyson does show a rocket taking off so let's say you've got Mars in between you and the sun which would be what the graphic shows. But although the sun must be farther away than Mars, from your point of view, you will now be much closer to the sun than when you were down on the ground. Therefore the sun would appear larger. Much larger. Not smaller. And certainly not turquoise.

Well that's 5 biggies. There are plenty of other contradicions in there but why are they presenting such erroneous material? Do they meet up and imagine new ways to insult the maker of the Universe and the sacrifice He made so that we could be separated out from this world of sin? Do they take a crazy pill and run around laughing at God, denying that He has any knowledge or competence to do anything and if He got it so wrong about fruit trees.–.being out by a factor of 13,783,000,000 years they tell us.–.how likely is He to know anything about Jesus? I can just see them jumping up and down, "Yarooh!" they go, "Ha-ha-ha-aa-a! That's a good 'un!" and "whoo whoo whoo whoo" and so on.

Or do they sit writing up the latest cozenage sneering all alone, hissing blasphemies and swigging gin and thinking how they long to be connected with a world brim full of sin. I leave it to you: who are the sane ones here?

REAL SUNSET. . .

PROVERBS 6
LUKE 12
II CORINTHIANS 6
HEBREWS 7

[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

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Oh dear, oh dear, where to start? Just for the sake of clarity, I don't think anyone has ever accused you of being some sort of science professor. It is all too clear that you didn't pay attention during your 2-year biology course.

I don't have anger issues.

I think the remainder of your post proves that to be untrue.

And I also know you didn't either, as we were all taught one curriculum or another, and none of us signed up for it.

You also know that I/we didn't what either, exactly? There appears to be no single referent there, so it is not obvious what you are accusing us of. Please do not make ill-informed assumptions. Many of us were home-schooled by our mothers, and continue that healthy tradition with our own children.
I am thankful that the remainder of your rant has been dealt with by others. I would only suggest that you try to get an early night tonight. I know from my experience as a mother that sleep deprivation can make young people cranky and prone to tantrums. And keep off the Buckfast.

[agnesaliencat]

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And here's where we differ because, as I already said, I do not care about opinions, I just want to know what evidence do you have to support your opinions. The Genesis counts as evidence for the Christian creationist side, because it is believed to be the Word of God. Genetics counts as evidence for the scientific side, because it's backed up by scientific data.

So far, you have failed to provide any sort of evidence for the alien hypothesis. BTW, good job on ignoring my previous post on the subject. Not very scientific of you, but the religious side of the debate often finds that ignoring offered evidence is the best way to contradict it.

Except for you. So far you have presented nothing that could count as evidence, neither from the religious nor scientific point of view.

Therefore, I cannot respect your opinion as it is a baseless claim which is not supported by any evidence at all.



That means you had really bad teachers who pushed you from one grade to another. If you were my student I wouldn't let you slip from grade to grade without proving to me that you are actually learning something.

It doesn't, and you will respect my opinion just like I respect yours. Over here, we don't get the choice over whether we stay in one grade or not (we just go into a higher class no matter what). Grades also wouldn't (and didn't) work well for me, and I know that because I ended up leaving school without good grades. That's not my fault, by the way, as I was one of the pupils in class who always listened to the teacher, but it was just too difficult and I couldn't understand any of it.

Note that good grades actually means Highers/GCSEs etc, although I didn't fail (I did pass Intermediate 2), and when I went to college and did biology for 2 years, even though it was difficult, I did actually pass the course. I now work with computers, and this year will mark 6 years since I started at said job which is perfect for me because I am able to actually get my hands dirty and figure out ways of taking 3-in-1 printers apart without losing any fingers.

[agnesaliencat]

Re: Agnostic Theist Reporting For Duty

Oh dear, oh dear, where to start? Just for the sake of clarity, I don't think anyone has ever accused you of being some sort of science professor. It is all too clear that you didn't pay attention during your 2-year biology course.


I think the remainder of your post proves that to be untrue.

You also know that I/we didn't what either, exactly? There appears to be no single referent there, so it is not obvious what you are accusing us of. Please do not make ill-informed assumptions. Many of us were home-schooled by our mothers, and continue that healthy tradition with our own children.
I am thankful that the remainder of your rant has been dealt with by others. I would only suggest that you try to get an early night tonight. I know from my experience as a mother that sleep deprivation can make young people cranky and prone to tantrums. And keep off the Buckfast.

And I don't drink Buckfast either. I also wish I had been homeschooled (that would have been a much better system for me than the public school system). As for the whole signing up thing, that's just because we don't ask to be born into a particular family etc. Also, I believe in the Bible just as much as you do (I wouldn't be an Agnostic Theist if I didn't), but at the same time, I also believe in the Qu'ran, the Torah, all other holy books and scrolls etc, so please stop assuming that I'm denying your religion because all I am doing is coming at them from a different point of view, and you need to be able to do that in order to see the whole picture.

(one of my beliefs is that there is a supreme being who is responsible for all forms of life, and that there are beings known as protectors who all look the same, have immortality which they can also give as a gift, and carry swords which they use to punish those who have done evil).

[Elmer G. White]

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It doesn't, and you will respect my opinion just like I respect yours. Over here, we don't get the choice over whether we stay in one grade or not (we just go into a higher class no matter what). Grades also wouldn't (and didn't) work well for me, and I know that because I ended up leaving school without good grades. That's not my fault, by the way, as I was one of the pupils in class who always listened to the teacher, but it was just too difficult and I couldn't understand any of it.

Note that good grades actually means Highers/GCSEs etc, although I didn't fail (I did pass Intermediate 2), and when I went to college and did biology for 2 years, even though it was difficult, I did actually pass the course. I now work with computers, and this year will mark 6 years since I started at said job which is perfect for me because I am able to actually get my hands dirty and figure out ways of taking 3-in-1 printers apart without losing any fingers.

Dear Sinner,

It is wonderful that you're visiting our Forum as we can help you find Jesus. Before that, however, there are some delusions of yours that need to be rectified. You seem to be under the delusion (Isaiah 66:4) that the world as well as our site would function according to your rules.

NEWSFLASH It doesn't. END OF NEWSFLASH

God's rules. Not ours, nor yours. God does not care about your "opinion". He only wants your obedience (Ecclesiastes 12:13). Problems in secular education do not matter. Only God does.

Exodus 3:14
And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you

God is that He is. You may hold your "opinions" but ultimately it's irrelevant, as Jesus (who is God; John 10:30) only wants your Faith, obedience, and worship (John 3:18). Still, while God is that He is, He has given us no indication that He would be a "space alien". The aliens referred to in the Bible are simply those of other nations, basically, unbelievers. Please take care that you won't end up with one of them!

Hebrews 11:34
Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens.


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[Alvin Moss]

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Also, I believe in the Bible just as much as you do (I wouldn't be an Agnostic Theist if I didn't), but at the same time, I also believe in the Qu'ran, the Torah, all other holy books and scrolls etc, so please stop assuming that I'm denying your religion...

(one of my beliefs is that there is a supreme being who is responsible for all forms of life, and that there are beings known as protectors who all look the same, have immortality which they can also give as a gift, and carry swords which they use to punish those who have done evil).

You think you believe everything, but, in fact, you believe nothing in particular as a result of what you mistakenly believe is a broad minded view. Technically, you are what we refer to as a "Crackpot".

[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

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Proverbs 14:5 A faithful witness will not lie: but a false witness will utter lies.

Compare and contrast the post today at 2:29 a.m., UK time:

... I never did my homework either, as that was just another way of submitting into a system that I really didn't want to be a part of

with this one, 12 hours later to the minute:

Grades also wouldn't (and didn't) work well for me, and I know that because I ended up leaving school without good grades. That's not my fault, by the way, as I was one of the pupils in class who always listened to the teacher, but it was just too difficult and I couldn't understand any of it.

So which was it? Too lazy and self-important, or too stupid? Either way, "not your fault" - awww - poor you. If only I could find my tiny violin.

But good for you, it can't have been easy getting a job changing printer cartridges. Top tip: if you wear disposable latex gloves for the task, you won't get your hands dirty.

[Basilissa]

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I ended up leaving school without good grades. That's not my fault, by the way, as I was one of the pupils in class who always listened to the teacher, but it was just too difficult and I couldn't understand any of it.

That's OK, sweetie. Have your caretaker read this magnificent book: