[Barry Desborough]

Re: Please allow me to introduce myself

Dear sinner,

Do you read any of the posts written by other people on this thread? Maybe the problem is your adblock and your pop-up block?

Actually, we have ample proof that your blocks are not only preventing commercial messages but also hindering Jesus from doing His job of Saving you. This proof is, obviously, in the Bible.

Romans 14:13
Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.

The messages you dismiss as cheap tins of conserved pork would help you tremendously on your Path to Christ!


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

Have you read anything from my FAQ, Elmo.? It seems I can't post links to my own material here. Just google "Veritas: Mr Desborough's creation-evolution pages."

Ask me a question about ERVs to prove to me that you do not have your head permanently stuck in the nether regions of your alimentary canal.

[Elmer G. White]

Re: Please allow me to introduce myself

Have you read anything from my FAQ, Elmo.? It seems I can't post links to my own material here. Just google "Veritas: Mr Desborough's creation-evolution pages."

Ask me a question about ERVs to prove to me that you do not have your head permanently stuck in the nether regions of your alimentary canal.

Dear Sinner,

What do you wish to accomplish by having people read your pages? You're high on ERV's, OK. What's the point? You focus on these fragments in the DNA. If we look at the natural world and only at the natural world, we don't need ERV's to come to the conclusion of evolution. We are equally well aware of the other stuff that the naturalists present. Evolutionary theory is practically as strong without the ERV's, as it would be without them. You don't need them to prove it in the atheist context. You have many other things as follows (you can find the original publications from databases, I have and I did):

• Human chromosome 2 has telomers in its middle and its sequences derive from the simian chromosomes 4 and 19.
• Fixed mutations from the common ancestor of chimps and humans is around 350, feasible with the secularist time frame.
• The fossil record shows the development of limbs from fins and of ossicles from reptilian dentate and quadrate.
• The presence of proto-feathers on dinosaurs and the Deinonychus wrist are very avian.
• The molecular clock in good sync with the fossil record regarding the divergence of amphibians, mammals and various mammalian clades.
• Mesohippus, Ambulocetus, Tiktaalik, Hallucigenia, yeasts becoming multicellular in a few months, multicellularity not requiring new genes but just recruitment, placenta evolution likewise, Darwin's finches speciating, genetic fossils in RNA capable of catalysis less effectively than present ones but well enough, complex organic molecules in comets, pentose phosphate pathway arising spontaneously in a laboratory, robust simple reaction paths to cosmic molecules into RNA, etc., etc., etc...

We know all of that. We know about your ERV's. Your ERV's are a drop in the ocean. Your FAQ's are just an indication of hubris: "I'll be the one to turn their minds with this one tiny detail that they haven't investigated, because they are stupid and I am wise..." (see also Matthew 23:12):

• You just cannot help belittling people who disagree with you, can you? Even if my head was buried within my rectum, I might still be right. The quality of a claim is not measured by the characteristics of the person making the claim but by its content.
• You might have some (from the naturalistic viewpoint) high-quality material but probably not as well formulated as the original publications. Or perhaps you were actually involved in genomic research? If you were, the original peer-reviewed papers would still be the ones to assess. I do not think that your popularized versions would yield anything more substantial.

You're assuming that people of faith are inferior to you. Yes, I can claim that based on your demeanor and your ad hominem attitude. I am always praying and hoping that a real person of learning would be here. She would not have to use fallacious arguments of attacking the person, as her substance would be strong enough to hold on its own. As does the Bible. If you really want to make the best case possible, you're welcome to do that. Concentrate on your facts. Stop the insults. Stop the ad misericordiam fallacy of complaining about the nature of the Forum you've chosen to join.

And.

Try to get educated about the viewpoint of the opposition. Listen to their claims and arguments. Examine your own hypotheses: Would your material support other hypotheses than the one you've chosen to support? See the theory of evolution in a wider context if you wish to defend it. As I stated earlier, only because we have the Bible do we have to discard evolution, as in the secular world it is solid and well-supported. Try to understand that the evidence material we cherish is not the same that you use. We follow the testimony of Jesus while you thrive on laboratory measurements.

It is not too late for you to gain that knowledge. We are not afraid. Be a better adversary. Give us some actual challenge. Behave better and someone will actually listen to you. Perhaps. And don't respond to this with a tu quoque, please.

1 Peter 2:15
For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[Faith_Machine]

Re: Please allow me to introduce myself

I still can't get over the fact that this supposedly intelligent person does not know how to change his browser's settings to allow pop-up windows.

[Barry Desborough]

Re: Please allow me to introduce myself

I still can't get over the fact that this supposedly intelligent person does not know how to change his browser's settings to allow pop-up windows.

Who the screaming heck want to do that? /Retired software engineer.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Please allow me to introduce myself

Who the screaming heck want to do that? /Retired software engineer.

If nobody wanted the product the product would not exist. I think this is another page completed with no indication that poster is interested in Salvation. It often happens in introduction threads but I'm happy to post Scripture and to present The Truth about Jesus.

ACTS 4 .KJV . context
12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Why is that? The Bible explains:

PHILIPPIANS 2 .KJV . whole chapter
6 [Christ Jesus] being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

How can that make sense? Are these things reasonable or logical? The Bible answers this too.

ISAIAH 1 .KJV . look up
18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

For us alone none of it is possible. We can never make merit enough to earn Salvation, indeed that would be a heathen concept. Science without God changes like the floating islands of Perelandra, in any instant seeming like a real country with hills and valleys. But the reality of Godless science has neither shape nor substance, its only form having the inconstant contours of the water beneath it. Come back in a hundred years and your certainties will seem very antiquated if not overthrown altogether. In Jesus we find certainty and The Bible explains that certainty in words we can understand.

PHILIPPIANS 2 .KJV[I]
9-11a Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord

[Faith_Machine]

Re: Please allow me to introduce myself

Why are you all allowing this petulant child to bully you? His lack of knowledge on how Web browser settings can be adjusted is NOT a valid excuse for refusing to read the personal messages our pastors were kind enough to send him.

I am so offended by this!

[Barry Desborough]

Re: Please allow me to introduce myself

Why are you all allowing this petulant child to bully you? His lack of knowledge on how Web browser settings can be adjusted is NOT a valid excuse for refusing to read the personal messages our pastors were kind enough to send him.

I am so offended by this!

Diddums. Talk about petulance! You owe me a new irony meter.

[Barry Desborough]

Re: Please allow me to introduce myself

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Let us contemplate on this for a minute. What do you think are your personal chances of getting to travel to the Firmament (Genesis 1:6) with one of these rockets? Highly unlikely? I thought so. In contrast, our chances of traveling up to and beyond the Firmament are 100% certain with the assistance of Jesus. He has personally promised to give us access to His Eternal dwelling place!

1 Peter 2:9
But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

Medicines work for sinners but do not give Eternal Life. Prayer works much better, it heals and gives Eternal Life.

James 5:14
Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:

Computers are totally OK as they enable us to spread the good news of Jesus Christ to a wider audience. That way the sin of sodomy by Turing can be recycled into the Goodness of God! Jesus always wins!

Romans 12:21
Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

Our goodness overcomes all evil!


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

Just - insane. Not even entertainingly so. You have to try harder.

[Elmer G. White]

Re: Please allow me to introduce myself

...You're assuming that people of faith are inferior to you. Yes, I can claim that based on your demeanor and your ad hominem attitude. ... If you really want to make thebest case possible, you're welcome to do that. Concentrate on your facts. Stop the insults. Stop the ad misericordiam fallacy of complaining about the nature of the Forum you've chosen to join.

And.

Try to get educated about the viewpoint of the opposition. Listen to their claims and arguments.

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Just - insane [ad hominem]. Not even entertainingly so [non sequitur]. You have to try harder [based on the posts of others, this is close to tu quoque].

Sad but True™ and Q.E.D. Many atheists do not really wish to engage in conversation but are just happy to demonstrate their ad hominem skills (but how much skill does it require?).

• An insane person can have the correct answer.
• A boring passage may contain the Truth™.
• Arguments can be discussed by focusing on the actual points a person makes. There is nothing in your post above to discuss. It is just an emotional cry of a teenager who has stepped too far from her comfort zone and bully friends.

Jude 1:18
How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.

Furthermore, you refrained from answering my previous post of which the above quote was a part. Based on your affinity to concentrate on persons and not issues, I'd like to ask you, how good your CV is regarding people converting from Christianity into naturalism based on your retroviral claims? Does your method that combines insults with evasive posts work? Perhaps it works in the way that you get kudos and "likes" from your peers?


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[Barry Desborough]

Re: Please allow me to introduce myself

Sad but True™ and Q.E.D. Many atheists do not really wish to engage in conversation but are just happy to demonstrate their ad hominem skills (but how much skill does it require?).

• An insane person can have the correct answer.
• A boring passage may contain the Truth™.
• Arguments can be discussed by focusing on the actual points a person makes. There is nothing in your post above to discuss. It is just an emotional cry of a teenager who has stepped too far from her comfort zone and bully friends.

Jude 1:18
How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.

Furthermore, you refrained from answering my previous post of which the above quote was a part. Based on your affinity to concentrate on persons and not issues, I'd like to ask you, how good your CV is regarding people converting from Christianity into naturalism based on your retroviral claims? Does your method that combines insults with evasive posts work? Perhaps it works in the way that you get kudos and "likes" from your peers?


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

Still avoiding ERVs, I see.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Please allow me to introduce myself

Still avoiding ERVs, I see.

Still avoiding The Bible, I see.

[Elmer G. White]

Re: Please allow me to introduce myself

Still avoiding ERVs, I see.

How?

Dear Sinner,

What do you wish to accomplish by having people read your pages? You're high on ERV's, OK. What's the point? You focus on these fragments in the DNA. If we look at the natural world and only at the natural world, we don't need ERV's to come to the conclusion of evolution. We are equally well aware of the other stuff that the naturalists present. Evolutionary theory is practically as strong without the ERV's, as it would be without them. You don't need them to prove it in the atheist context...

We know all of that. We know about your ERV's. Your ERV's are a drop in the ocean...

Have you ever considered becoming a man?

1 Corinthians 13:11
When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child , I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

I will be happy to have an actual discussion with you. Until that, I am more convinced or the power of Prayer (Philemon 1:6) regarding the state of your soul.


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[Barry Desborough]

Re: Please allow me to introduce myself

How?

Have you ever considered becoming a man?

1 Corinthians 13:11
When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child , I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

I will be happy to have an actual discussion with you. Until that, I am more convinced or the power of Prayer (Philemon 1:6) regarding the state of your soul.


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

Your horrible little site keeps interrupting me as I type! The spam is coming in thick and fast. That's just rude. ERVs put common descent beyond any reasonable doubt. Why I consider this so important, I set out on a page. As it seems I cannot link to anything, I'll c&p it here.

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[Basilissa]

Re: Please allow me to introduce myself

Your horrible little site keeps interrupting me as I type! The spam is coming in thick and fast. That's just rude. ERVs put common descent beyond any reasonable doubt. Why I consider this so important, I set out on a page. As it seems I cannot link to anything, I'll c&p it here.

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Sweetie, before talking about a speck in our eye please remove the log from yours - you've been doing nothing but spamming since you joined.

[Barry Desborough]

Re: Please allow me to introduce myself

"Unsaved trash". Is that an expression that Jesus used? If so, does anyone have chapter and verse?