Why?

[InquisitiveOne]

After much browsing through these forums, I decided to make a post I debated with myself about. I am a young bisexual black man, I guess what I'm trying to ask is why? Why is there so much hate in your hearts? I pity you but you shouldn't feel offended. I just pity that you feel you have to go through life hating people for who they are. I was raised in a Christian household and I'm grateful to all my mother and father raised me to be, however I cannot stand behind hating other humans that God made, for nothing. If God truly does not make mistakes then that means all his children are his children, I believe that he didn't make me or any other non-white or homosexual or atheist or Scientologist or radical feminist or woman unequal to any other. We are all human, we are all on this Earth together. Why fight about it? We are all in this crazy ride called life together, why go through it feeling bitter. I often find myself awake at night after recalling a christian saying he wanted to kill me, for no other reason then my liking of men. I wasn't particularly scared of his comment, rather I was brought to tears because this man lived life hating others. Our lives are too short to hate others, why not spread love and peace instead? I guess I just want to know why? I thank you and appreciate any answers you have.

[Didymus Much]

Re: Why?

...Why is there so much hate in your hearts?...

They don't hate certain people. God does. It's true. Read the Bible.

They don't think certain people should be put to death. God does. It's true. Read the Bible.

They don't hate homosexuals. God does. It's true. Read the Bible.

They don't hate people who don't think, act, dress, and believe exactly the same way they do. God does. It's true. Read the Bible.

The True Christians™ just wish that you'd stop rebelling and accept that you'll never be happy, deny everything you are, and accept Christ. Then you'll be happy.




Or something.

[InquisitiveOne]

Re: Why?

It just makes me sad that anyone has to go through life feeling like they have to hate anyone else that hasn't done anything to them. Life is so much more fulfilling when you choose to accept and love people, when you open yourself up to understanding others. I guess that's why I made this thread, because I also wish to understand the very people who hate me.

[Didymus Much]

Re: Why?

It just makes me sad that anyone has to go through life feeling like they have to...

Ignore everything that the other person just said because it doesn't fit your persecution narrative?


Hey, you do you.

[InquisitiveOne]

Re: Why?

Ignore everything that the other person just said because it doesn't fit your persecution narrative?


Hey, you do you.

I'm not sure what either of your comments was conveying, I apologize, if you could reword them a bit simpler it might help.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Why?

The True Christians™ just wish that you'd stop rebelling and accept that you'll never be happy, deny everything you are, and accept Christ. Then you'll be happy.




Or something.

Oh my goodness! That's it exactly! All anyone really needs is to stop denying their nature and embrace who they really are! And we are at the very basic level, sinners in the hands of a stubborn and irascible God, but One who offered up His Only Begotten Son to pay the price of our sins by becoming a Living and Perfect Sacrifice, to offer a Holy Ransom unto the Lord thy God so He could wave the punishment of Death and give us Eternal Life!

Glory!

The question is dear OP, do you want to live for eternity cut off from Christ and all those who love Him, in the company of Satan and all his demon lackeys who will torture you forever for failing to obey their mortal enemy the Lord thy God, or in the company of the Saints and Angles singing the praises of our Lord and Master for ever and ever and ever!?! What's a few years of denying your fleshly desires when the Reward is Heaven with us!

[InquisitiveOne]

Re: Why?

=The question is dear OP, do you want to live for eternity cut off from Christ and all those who love Him, in the company of Satan and all his demon lackeys who will torture you forever for failing to obey their mortal enemy the Lord thy God, or in the company of the Saints and Angles singing the praises of our Lord and Master for ever and ever and ever!?! What's a few years of denying your fleshly desires when the Reward is Heaven with us!

That's not it at all, the God I know is merciful and he doesn't make mistakes, if he doesn't make mistakes then none of us were mistakes, it's not a fleshly desire, it's who we are. You were born a woman?(I'm assuming based on your picture) do you think God wanted you to always submit to a man? You are just as equal to a man as a man is to another man. We all are, that's the way we were born. God will accept me when I meet him at the gates, because this is how he made me. Something as simple as my skin tone or the person that I am attracted to are things that I was born with. I will still receive my reward right along with you. The question was why do you hate me when I'm equal to you? We are both human. We were both created by God. Or do you think God made an error when he chose to create me? Do you think that one of God's treasures are worth less than another?

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Why?

That's not it at all, the God I know is merciful and he doesn't make mistakes, if he doesn't make mistakes then none of us were mistakes, it's not a fleshly desire, it's who we are. You were born a woman?(I'm assuming based on your picture) do you think God wanted you to always submit to a man? You are just as equal to a man as a man is to another man. We all are, that's the way we were born. God will accept me when I meet him at the gates, because this is how he made me. Something as simple as my skin tone or the person that I am attracted to are things that I was born with. I will still receive my reward right along with you. The question was why do you hate me when I'm equal to you? We are both human. We were both created by God. Or do you think God made an error when he chose to create me? Do you think that one of God's treasures are worth less than another?

You're confused, dear. God doesn't make mistakes, He makes sinful humans. Your choice is to embrace that sin and be punished forever, or embrace His mercy and be obedient (John 14:15; Ecclesiastes 12:13).

[Didymus Much]

Re: Why?

I'm not sure what either of your comments was conveying, I apologize, if you could reword them a bit simpler it might help.

Ok, we agree that the Bible calls for your death; see Leviticus 20:13 for example. Now, that verse doesn't specify the method of execution most pleasing to God in that circumstance, but the only one mentioned in that section is death by fire in Leviticus 20:14 so we'll go with that.


If, when you're being led down to the stake to be burned alive, the people are yelling and screaming and calling you bad names and scowling and stuff, those people hate you for being gay and are not good Christians.


But if the True Christians(tm) were hauling you screaming in terror knowing that your last moments are quickly approaching, that they will be needlessly painful, and that you're going to soon die (wishing it was sooner) in an excruciating manner, they'd be happy, laughing, singing, and smiling because they're obeying God, and those are good Christians, according to the Bible.

[Basilissa]

Re: Why?

That's not it at all, the God I know is merciful and he doesn't make mistakes,

Hi sweetie and to our forum!

How do you know that strange "god" of yours?

Because God Whom we know, God of the Bible, is more often vengeful than merciful.

if he doesn't make mistakes then none of us were mistakes,

It's not about being a mistake.

It's about Hell which God created to send 99.9% of humanity there.

He could have created all humans perfect; in this case He would not need to create Hell. But He created Hell, and apparently He does not want it to stay empty, so He had no choice but create people flawed.

do you think God wanted you to always submit to a man?

It doesn't matter what she thinks. It only matters what God thinks:

Ephesians 5:22-24
22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so [let] the wives [be] to their own husbands in every thing.

The question was why do you hate me when I'm equal to you?

Why would you think that any of us hates you?

We are both human. We were both created by God. Or do you think God made an error when he chose to create me? Do you think that one of God's treasures are worth less than another?

It doesn't matter what we think. It's only God's opinion that matters.

I hope that was helpful, dear.

[Didymus Much]

Re: Why?

...the God I know is merciful and he doesn't make mistakes...

No one has claimed that God makes mistakes. Please refute the arguments given (using Scripture, of course), not what just pops into your head.

... You were born a woman?(I'm assuming based on your picture) do you think God wanted you to always submit to a man?...

1 Corinthians 11:3 "But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God."

That's a yes.

...God will accept me when I meet him at the gates...

That's a demand, not a plea.

...Something as simple as my skin tone or the person that I am attracted to are things that I was born with...

Nobody is arguing with the precept that God made you that way. The problem is with your "God made it therefore good" fallacy.

Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness:I make peace, and create evil:
I the Lord do all these things."

Proverbs 16:4 "TheLordhath made allthingsfor himself:Yea, even the wicked for the day of evil."

....I will still receive my reward right along with you...

That's not what the Bible says. If you don't agree with the Bible, how are you are a Christian?

...The question was why do you hate me...

STOP. THAT. SHIT.

[InquisitiveOne]

Re: Why?

Hi sweetie and to our forum!

How do you know that strange "god" of yours?

Because God Whom we know, God of the Bible, is more often vengeful than merciful.

It's not about being a mistake.

It's about Hell which God created to send 99.9% of humanity there.

He could have created all humans perfect; in this case He would not need to create Hell. But He created Hell, and apparently He does not want it to stay empty, so He had no choice but create people flawed.

It doesn't matter what she thinks. It only matters what God thinks:

Ephesians 5:22-24
22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so [let] the wives [be] to their own husbands in every thing.

Why would you think that any of us hates you?

It doesn't matter what we think. It's only God's opinion that matters.

I hope that was helpful, dear.

Thank you it was helpful, however that is not the same sentiment that I see throughout this website and throughout life, I see people consumed in hate, trying so hard to appease God that they lose sight of what really matters when it comes to serving the Lord, which is accepting his creations, all I see is people who construe his words and make it appear that hate is what's needed, I don't see acceptance, I browse through these forums and see people using racial slurs and "be afraid of the blacks in their neighborhood corrupting their children" are these things acceptable? Or should we be trying to be more accepting of all of God's children.

[Didymus Much]

Re: Why?

...throughout life...

Please do not confuse any so-called "Christians" you see out in the wild with the True Christians(tm) of Landover. Most of the ones you've encountered outside have never even opened their Bibles, whereas the True Christians(tm) know (and obey) every last bit of it.

...when it comes to serving the Lord, which is accepting his creations...

WHOA HO HO HO! Just WHAT Bible are YOU reading????@??@




the rest ignored

[Basilissa]

Re: Why?

Thank you it was helpful, however that is not the same sentiment that I see throughout this website and throughout life, I see people consumed in hate, trying so hard to appease God that they lose sight of what really matters when it comes to serving the Lord,

Trust me, what you see here on this website is 100% dedication to what really matters when it comes to serving the Lord. Unlike many other Christian denominations, we pay very detailed attention to what the Bible says, and we don't make up stuff that is not in there.

which is accepting his creations,

If you are going to keep making statements such like this one, you need to start citing Scripture to support your opinions.

Otherwise, why should anyone pay any attention to your unsupported opinion about what God wants?

all I see is people who construe his words and make it appear that hate is what's needed,

Sorry to disappoint you, but hate shows up in the Bible much more often than love does. God of the Bible is hateful. Can you blame His followers for emulating His example?

I don't see acceptance,

That is because God is not accepting. Why should we, His followers, disagree with Him?!

Please note that on this forum, we do not say we hate anyone. It's just God Who does; who are we to tell Him He's wrong?!

I browse through these forums and see people using racial slurs and "be afraid of the blacks in their neighborhood corrupting their children" are these things acceptable? Or should we be trying to be more accepting of all of God's children.

Why?

Please support your view with the Holy Bible rather than with what you think. We don't care what you think. We only care about what God thinks.

I will pray for your soul.

[InquisitiveOne]

Re: Why?

Ok, we agree that the Bible calls for your death; see Leviticus 20:13 for example. Now, that verse doesn't specify the method of execution most pleasing to God in that circumstance, but the only one mentioned in that section is death by fire in Leviticus 20:14 so we'll go with that.


If, when you're being led down to the stake to be burned alive, the people are yelling and screaming and calling you bad names and scowling and stuff, those people hate you for being gay and are not good Christians.


But if the True Christians™ were hauling you screaming in terror knowing that your last moments are quickly approaching, that they will be needlessly painful, and that you're going to soon die (wishing it was sooner) in an excruciating manner, they'd be happy, laughing, singing, and smiling because they're obeying God, and those are good Christians, according to the Bible.

I apologize but that doesn't make much sense to me, why would anyone be doing anything but mourning the loss of a life?