[OneFailure]

Re: It's not me torturing you, it's my inability to make a valid argument

Psalm 58:3 The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.

Psalms 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and [of] the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Matthew 5:17-20
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Luke 16:16-17
16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.
17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.

Psalm 19:7 The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple.

Proverbs 30:5-6
5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Stop coughing out verses like a computer I know them all and I have already refuted the infant damnation theory.


Funny your quoting scripture from a CHRISTIAN bible yet your defending a calvanist belief which has no biblical basis.


John 3:5 does not apply to infants whove died before a baptism Ive already been over this they do not have the capacity to sin


Also please dont go their with Deutronony 4:2 it's not cute or clever. The old testament was written way before the new testament and its obvious the new testament did a way with a few things.


James 2:10 is really reaching there. Babies are not guilty of anything!


You dont have an argument anymore if you really cant refute my argument anymore than you have tried. Nice going though.


I give your argument a rating of 5/10 refuted and proven false


Have a nice day

[Basilissa]

Re: It's not me torturing you, it's my inability to make a valid argument

Stop coughing out verses like a computer I know them all and I have already refuted the infant damnation theory.

Proverbs 6:16-19
16 These six [things] doth the LORD hate: yea, seven [are] an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
19 A false witness [that] speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

Funny your quoting scripture from a CHRISTIAN bible yet your defending a calvanist belief which has no biblical basis.

John 3:5 does not apply to infants whove died before a baptism Ive already been over this they do not have the capacity to sin

Psalm 58:3 The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.

Psalms 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Also please dont go their with Deutronony 4:2 it's not cute or clever. The old testament was written way before the new testament and its obvious the new testament did a way with a few things.

Matthew 5:17-20
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Luke 16:16-17
16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.
17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.

James 2:10 is really reaching there. Babies are not guilty of anything!

Romans 5:12-15
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

You dont have an argument anymore if you really cant refute my argument anymore than you have tried. Nice going though.

Exodus 20:16 - Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

I give your argument a rating of 5/10 refuted and proven false

Matthew 5:10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

[OneFailure]

Re: It's not me torturing you, it's my inability to make a valid argument

Proverbs 6:16-19
16 These six [things] doth the LORD hate: yea, seven [are] an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
19 A false witness [that] speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

Psalm 58:3 The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.

Psalms 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Matthew 5:17-20
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Luke 16:16-17
16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.
17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.

Romans 5:12-15
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.


Exodus 20:16 - Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

Matthew 5:10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Your using psalms 51:5 even when I already have proven enough evidence that it's not viable anymore.


Matthew 5:17-20 is only mentioning the Torah and that's a whole other discussion on it's own. Matthew 5:17-20 isnt really good to defend infant damnation though try something else


Babies do not speak lies they do not have verbal capacity


Are you using Proverbs 6:16-19 as a reference to me? I'm flattered so here's ten reasons why I dont care:


1.

[Basilissa]

Re: It's not me torturing you, it's my inability to make a valid argument

Your using psalms 51:5 even when I already have proven enough evidence that it's not viable anymore.

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Matthew 5:17-20 is only mentioning the Torah and that's a whole other discussion on it's own. Matthew 5:17-20 isnt really good to defend infant damnation though try something else

Romans 5:12-15
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

Babies do not speak lies they do not have verbal capacity

Are you using Proverbs 6:16-19 as a reference to me? I'm flattered so here's ten reasons why I dont care:

1.

Proverbs 26:11 As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly.

[OneFailure]

Re: It's not me torturing you, it's my inability to make a valid argument

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Romans 5:12-15
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

Proverbs 26:11 As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly.

I'm not saying that 2 Timothy 3:16 is wrong of coarse all of the scripture is inspired by God but that doesn't mean that some of it has no bearing anymore because some of it just doesnt.


Just like how Christians dont have to sacrifice animals do to the death of jesus is also how infant damnation isnt believed anymore


Infants are free from original sin as I think God would understand that they have no idea what's going on around them or what bad stuff Is or how to do it. I've been over this before so I'm really not going to bother refuting Roman's 5:12-15 plus theres Jesus's saying of let the little children come to me which means that we shouldn't stop children from believing and also that we must be like little children if we are to recieve heaven which means that babies GO TO HEAVEN


More Proverbs sayings huh? Okay

[Dolores de Barriga]

Re: It's not me torturing you, it's my inability to make a valid argument

Stop coughing out verses like a computer I know them all and I have already refuted the infant damnation theory.

(more erratic ramblings removed for brevity)

Hello Mr. Failure. We have interacted briefly before, and I kept reading this thread with much interest.

However, it seems to me that nobody is going to want to engage in a discourse with you as you continue to ignore the rules of discussion as presented by Mr. T. Harvey Jr. Here is the graphic from that thread:





Now, the only thing you have done so far is to ignore rebuttals of your arguments. Also, while loads of Scripture have been presented to you showing that God sends babies to Hell, you did not present a single verse which actually says "God sends dead babies to Heaven." You just keep ignoring the Scripture which you don't like.


However, the Bible says what it says, rather than what you would like it to say. Hence, if you are really committed to ignoring large parts of the Bible, you have to reject the notion that it was inspired by God, and thus question everything that is written in it. Not only the "babies go to Hell" part, but also parts about Jesus' existence.


Because you cannot pick and chose which parts of the Bible you like. As a Christian, you are obligated to believe all Bible, even the really ugly parts of it.

[OneFailure]

Re: It's not me torturing you, it's my inability to make a valid argument

Hello Mr. Failure. We have interacted briefly before, and I kept reading this thread with much interest.

However, it seems to me that nobody is going to want to engage in a discourse with you as you continue to ignore the rules of discussion as presented by Mr. T. Harvey Jr. Here is the graphic from that thread:





Now, the only thing you have done so far is to ignore rebuttals of your arguments. Also, while loads of Scripture have been presented to you showing that God sends babies to Hell, you did not present a single verse which actually says "God sends dead babies to Heaven." You just keep ignoring the Scripture which you don't like.


However, the Bible says what it says, rather than what you would like it to say. Hence, if you are really committed to ignoring large parts of the Bible, you have to reject the notion that it was inspired by God, and thus question everything that is written in it. Not only the "babies go to Hell" part, but also parts about Jesus' existence.


Because you cannot pick and chose which parts of the Bible you like. As a Christian, you are obligated to believe all Bible, even the really ugly parts of it.

Yes I HAVE shown several scriptures that show babies go to heaven. Go back and read them.


Babies do not go to hell they are free of original sin


I have responded to all of the rebuttals that were sent to me it's just that I'm not going to do it again because its tiring so that's why I was responding like that.


I'm not ignoring scripture I dont like I have responded to all of it as a whole in earlier posts


I do pick and choose because some verses from the old testament are not viable anymore due to the the trial death and resurrection of Yeshua


I have presented all of the evidence which proves babies go to heaven in earlier posts I'm just not doing it now becauseit's already on record


Ugh

[Jim C. Lombardo]

Re: It's not me torturing you, it's my inability to make a valid argument

Mr. Failure's idea of a good argument is by merit of spouting their opinion in the post entry box, therefore it's true.

[OneFailure]

Re: It's not me torturing you, it's my inability to make a valid argument

Mr. Failure's idea of a good argument is by merit of spouting their opinion in the post entry box, therefore it's true.

It's not my opinion. I have demonstrated biblical proof that babies go to heaven.


Infant damnation is a false belief and most denominations of christianity dont believe in it. Even if some do it's a small portion.

[Jim C. Lombardo]

Re: It's not me torturing you, it's my inability to make a valid argument

It's not my opinion. I have demonstrated biblical proof that babies go to heaven.


Infant damnation is a false belief and most denominations of christianity dont believe in it. Even if some do it's a small portion.

And that small portion is the 1% God's Elect here at Landover Baptist Church who will inherit the Kingdom of God. ( Matthew 7:14 ) Glory!

[OneFailure]

Re: It's not me torturing you, it's my inability to make a valid argument

And that small portion is the 1% God's Elect here at Landover Baptist Church who will inherit the Kingdom of God. ( Matthew 7:14 ) Glory!

It not being mainstream doesnt mean that it's true. Also plenty more people are going to be on the new earth than that

[Jim C. Lombardo]

Re: It's not me torturing you, it's my inability to make a valid argument

It not being mainstream doesnt mean that it's true. Also plenty more people are going to be on the new earth than that

Ahem, yes, there is a "new earth" mentioned in Revelations, but it was only stared at, nobody's actually going there.

True Christians™ are going to Heaven. ( 1 Thessalonians 4:17 ) You on the otherhand will enjoy Hell with all the Unsaved babies who failed to admit Christ as their personal Lord and Savior, even in gobbled baby speak.

[OneFailure]

Re: It's not me torturing you, it's my inability to make a valid argument

Ahem, yes, there is a "new earth" mentioned in Revelations, but it was only stared at, nobody's actually going there.

True Christians™ are going to Heaven. ( 1 Thessalonians 4:17 ) You on the otherhand will enjoy Hell with all the Unsaved babies who failed to admit Christ as their personal Lord and Savior, even in gobbled baby speak.

Unsaved babies cant admit God as their personal savior as they are babies and cant speak. They are innocent! Stop believing a calvanist lie


Christian's are going to the new earth while the new heaven will possibly be easily accessible

[Didymus Much]

Re: It's not me torturing you, it's my inability to make a valid argument

Unsaved babies cant admit God as their personal savior as they are babies and cant speak. They are innocent! Stop believing a calvanist lie


Christian's are going to the new earth while the new heaven will possibly be easily accessible

And someone just moved the goalposts halfway to Kolob.

[OneFailure]

Re: It's not me torturing you, it's my inability to make a valid argument

And someone just moved the goalposts halfway to Kolob.

:/