I really don't understand it.

[The Gatekeeper]

I guessed I would post this in the introduction forum, as that's the best place I can discern for it.

I'm 15 years old, raised Catholic. Save me your words, I don't worship Mary, I recognize that idols and images are not to be worshiped, and all of the other false truths you use to fuel your rather incessant need to hate everyone else. I've taken World and European History at school, I don't need you drilling me on all of the quite immoral things the Catholic Church did throughout the Middle Ages. I know quite well The Vatican isn't an institution with a flawless history. Quite frankly, very few institutions are. But you are all beyond my ability to comprehend. The Catholic Church is not known for being very 'accepting', yet you bring it to a whole other level.

According to you, everyone else worships Satan. Catholics, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, etc. Of course. Ignore the fact that 'Satan-worshipers' support most every facet of the modern American lifestyle. Not important in the very least. Ignore the fact most of these 'Satan-worshipers' are better people than you, willing to forgive and accept others despite differences. I have friends that are Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, and many other religions besides the various denominations of Christianity. Side note: save your 'True Christian' crap. Any person of good faith who has God. the betterment of mankind, and the message of Jesus in their heart is going to Heaven far before any of you are. My friends and the people I've known are no worshipers of Satan. True, I don't believe the things they do. They don't believe in the word of God as I do. But they're better people at heart. Religion helps them be better people. It doesn't give them more and more reasons to hate as it does to you.

All in all, your logic is wrong, at least from my view. As far as I can see, your overly-direct following of the Bible is the result of an inability to interpret anything, much less the word of God. Go ahead, try to 'enlighten' me. It goes without saying that I'm not expecting much.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: I really don't understand it.

All in all, your logic is wrong, at least from my view. As far as I can see, your overly-direct following of the Bible is the result of an inability to interpret anything, much less the word of God. Go ahead, try to 'enlighten' me. It goes without saying that I'm not expecting much.

Friend,

Following The Bible and not interpreting is a VIRTUE not a vice! It is absolutely contradictory being a Christian to claim you know better than Christ does like you Catholics do. We humans simply do not know better so we must go by the Holy Word of God.

As far as convincing you otherwise, why must I? You ether takes God way or you are damned to Hell for all eternity. I KNOW my beliefs are in line with God's. I am sorry yours' are not.

[The Gatekeeper]

Re: I really don't understand it.

Friend,

Following The Bible and not interpreting is a VIRTUE not a vice! It is absolutely contradictory being a Christian to claim you know better than Christ does like you Catholics do. We humans simply do not know better so we must go by the Holy Word of God.

As far as convincing you otherwise, why must I? You ether takes God way or you are damned to Hell for all eternity. I KNOW my beliefs are in line with God's. I am sorry yours' are not.

Of course. I thought your FAQ states that your behavior is not out of intolerance. but your need to save others at any cost. This contradicts it fully, and not by my interpretation, but by direct quotation.

If you are here because you think we are intolerant, and you are here to try to get us to change our "intolerant" ways, then this section is for you.

We have different definitions of tolerance and hate. You think that we hate someone when we show intolerance, and that to love someone means to tolerate his differences.

We believe that tolerance is the opposite of love. We believe that all nonbelievers are going to be tormented forever in Hell. To be tolerant would be to stand idly by and do nothing, while these folks approach certain doom. We believe that it is loving to rebuke and reproach these people, to save them from doom by any means necessary.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: I really don't understand it.

Of course. I thought your FAQ states that your behavior is not out of intolerance. but your need to save others at any cost. This contradicts it fully, and not by my interpretation, but by direct quotation.

Because we love your sinning, Mary worshiping, hellbound soul we will not tolerate your sins in the hopes of helping you to escape damnation. Were is the contradiction in that friend?

And you still haven't replied to my point that the Bible is the only way we know the Will of God.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: I really don't understand it.

I don't see this at all; do what Bobby-Joe says else you are damned. This is advice - and far from intolerant.

[Bronzebitch]

Re: I really don't understand it.

Hi I am new here. I found this site doing research and have looked at a few postings. I am a little perplexed. Is this site about Christians or making fun of Christians. And why does it say "unsaved trash under investigation" on your name? Have you been talking to these ppl already and were they rude to you? I haven't recieved a response from anyone else yet. My mom was raised catholic and I have studied the catholic religion throughout history. In fact, even with all of it's flaws, God used and still uses the Catholic church for His purpose. God tends to use the least likely candidate (like Saul/Paul persecutor of the Church) to fulfill His purpose. Besides, we ALL are sinners and have fallen short of the glory...No one can throw stones. I have studied MANY religions and I do not believe in ANY religion, they are all man made, but I do believe in Jesus Christ and Him crucified. I was just trying to connect with someone and get some information. I hope you are well and, God Bless.

[The Gatekeeper]

Re: I really don't understand it.

Because we love your sinning, Mary worshiping, hellbound soul we will not tolerate your sins in the hopes of helping you to escape damnation. Were is the contradiction in that friend?

And you still haven't replied to my point that the Bible is the only way we know the Will of God.

Well, you obviously didn't read my post, or you would have read the fact that I stated I do not worship Mary. I do not see how living a perfectly healthy, normal life devoid of hatred and intolerance is a sin.

Also, as for the Bible part, I do believe the Bible is useful. I believe that God's word is holy as well. I also believe God gave us the gift of intellect for more than just direct transliteration of His holy word.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: I really don't understand it.

[...] God used and still uses the Catholic church for His purpose.

Yes, that is how He stocks Hell with damned souls.

God tends to use the least likely candidate (like Saul/Paul persecutor of the Church) to fulfill His purpose.

You just made that up! Or perhaps you believe that Jesus was an "unlikely Candidate" despite having God as a Father? Or that Lazarus was an unlikely candidate because he was dead?

Besides, we ALL are sinners and have fallen short of the glory...No one can throw stones.

Least of all you - atheist - you say you believe in no religion!

I have studied MANY religions and I do not believe in ANY religion, they are all man made, but I do believe in Jesus Christ and Him crucified.

Do you want to re-read what you have written? Are you in some sort of institution? You don't believe in any religion yet you believe in the religion that Christ gave us?

I was just trying to connect with someone and get some information.

"Connect with someone"? Seriously Miss, I don't think there is anyone else broadcasting on your wavelength.

Now, stop this foolishness and get a man to teach you about the Bible.

[Brother Jessup]

Re: I really don't understand it.

I have studied MANY religions and I do not believe in ANY religion, they are all man made, but I do believe in Jesus Christ and Him crucified. I was just trying to connect with someone and get some information. I hope you are well and, God Bless.

If you believe that all religions are man made, which is a sweeping generalization, by the way, then how can you believe that Christ existed and that his crucifixion actually occurred at all? The only documentation that exists supporting the life of Christ and his death and resurrection comes to us from the Bible. The Bible is the basic foundation which supports the beliefs of all Christian denominations; Catholic, Protestant or otherwise. If every religion is, as you say, man made, then that would imply that their sources are also artificial concoctions that don’t contain any real truth or relevance.

Explain to me how you can believe in Christ’s existence and crucifixion, which is only supported in the Bible, yet confess to us that you are under the impression that everything in the Bible is manufactured fantasy? Do you choose to reject some lies but accept others that suit your fancy?



The Honorable Brother Jessup T. Lloyd, Esq. has spoken…………Amen!

[Brother Jessup]

Re: I really don't understand it.

I'm 15 years old, raised Catholic. Save me your words, I don't worship Mary, I recognize that idols and images are not to be worshiped, and all of the other false truths you use to fuel your rather incessant need to hate everyone else. I've taken World and European History at school, I don't need you drilling me on all of the quite immoral things the Catholic Church did throughout the Middle Ages. I know quite well The Vatican isn't an institution with a flawless history. Quite frankly, very few institutions are. But you are all beyond my ability to comprehend. The Catholic Church is not known for being very 'accepting', yet you bring it to a whole other level.

Ok, fine. You are obviously very young and in the learning stages of life. As you have indicated above, you are in school and are currently engaged in taking a World History course; which, by the way, is purely subjective, since it was written by men who are infallible. Jesus is happy that you recognize the flaws inherent in the corrupt, Satanic Catholic church and I am too. Hopefully, given time, your disdain for Catholicism will only increase and you can start worshiping the Lord the correct way, as indicated within the pages of the Holy KJV1611.

According to you, everyone else worships Satan. Catholics, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, etc. Of course. Ignore the fact that 'Satan-worshipers' support most every facet of the modern American lifestyle. Not important in the very least. Ignore the fact most of these 'Satan-worshipers' are better people than you, willing to forgive and accept others despite differences. I have friends that are Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, and many other religions besides the various denominations of Christianity. Side note: save your 'True Christian' crap.

I don’t care if those who worship Satan “support most every facet of the modern American lifestyle”, what ever that means. So what if they do? Maybe the modern American lifestyle (fast food, video games, material pursuits, high rates of obesity, consumerism, television, poor math skills, high rates of divorce, teen pregnancies, crime, drugs…etc.) is wrong.

Also, Satanists, Muslims, Hindus, and Buddhists can be as accepting and as open minded as they want. However, that doesn’t change the fact that the Bible instructs us to convert disbelievers and shun those who reject the one true God. I can quote passages if you don’t believe me. Furthermore, whether or not YOU feel Satan worshippers are better than us fundamental evangelical Baptists is purely subjective, since it only represents your opinion. According to the Bible, though, your opinion is obviously flawed.

Any person of good faith who has God. the betterment of mankind, and the message of Jesus in their heart is going to Heaven far before any of you are. My friends and the people I've known are no worshipers of Satan. True, I don't believe the things they do. They don't believe in the word of God as I do. But they're better people at heart. Religion helps them be better people. It doesn't give them more and more reasons to hate as it does to you.

This is your opinion. Re-read my prior statement regarding your flawed opinion.

All in all, your logic is wrong, at least from my view. As far as I can see, your overly-direct following of the Bible is the result of an inability to interpret anything, much less the word of God. Go ahead, try to 'enlighten' me. It goes without saying that I'm not expecting much.

The Bible is not meant to be interpreted. The Bible contains rules, principles, laws and universal truths, which some people might like to refer to as morals. These morals are meant to be read, understood and obeyed. I suggest that you continue to study hard in school and open up a Bible one day.


The Honorable Brother Jessup T. Lloyd, Esq. has spoken…………Amen!

[John Bois Ward]

Re: I really don't understand it.

According to you, everyone else worships Satan. Catholics, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, etc.

And according to Jesus. Matthew 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

Of course. Ignore the fact that 'Satan-worshipers' support most every facet of the modern American lifestyle. Not important in the very least. Ignore the fact most of these 'Satan-worshipers' are better people than you, willing to forgive and accept others despite differences. I have friends that are Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, and many other religions besides the various denominations of Christianity. Side note: save your 'True Christian' crap. Any person of good faith who has God. the betterment of mankind, and the message of Jesus in their heart is going to Heaven far before any of you are.

If you agree that your nonChristian friends are going to Hell, why are you attacking our beliefs?

My friends and the people I've known are no worshipers of Satan. True, I don't believe the things they do. They don't believe in the word of God as I do. But they're better people at heart. Religion helps them be better people. It doesn't give them more and more reasons to hate as it does to you.

Do you believe the whole Word of God or just those warm fuzzy parts that help you sleep at night? Care to share with us how you pick and choose which parts of the Bible are worth obeying and which parts can be disregarded? I guess the part in my Bible where God offers a cafeteria plan of Salvation is missing.

All in all, your logic is wrong, at least from my view. As far as I can see, your overly-direct following of the Bible is the result of an inability to interpret anything, much less the word of God. Go ahead, try to 'enlighten' me. It goes without saying that I'm not expecting much.

Logic? Your post, itself, is contradictory in nature. And I am most impressed that at the age of 15 you have gained enough knowledge and experience to know what God really wants from us. Have you actually read The Bible?