just a human being

[just_a_human_being]

Hi, I need to intriduce myself, I am sorry I didn't do that, I came on this forum to reply to a certain thread, to understand more about how True Christians think.

I got an infraction: Dear just_a_human_being,

You have received an infraction at The Landover Baptist Church Forums.

Reason: making unfounded presumptions
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Hello,

Please don't assume anything as to my Brothers or Sisters in Christ. You are in no position to make such a call.

Also, I have noticed that you have failed to make an introduction in our Introduction forum, which is a breach of the rules.

I suggest you hop yourself over to our Introduction forum and give us the common courtesy of a proper salutation.

Unwillingness to do so will result in the compromising of your posting rights.

For making unfounded persumptions, I am sorry it came accross that way, I probably expressed myself in a wrong way, I really don't know what I did wrong, I just want to understand.

I am not a Christian, at a certain time, I thought I was and I found a lot of comfort in the Bible, I read a lot in it when I was looking for guidance on how to be 'without sin'
But it is hard to know the definitian of a Christian. From what I think I understand, I choose not to be called a true christian, because I could never open my mouth and judge others. Judging is not up to me. Unless I know for 100% sure that something is wrong and harmful, then I will warn people, but if I am not sure, I could never do that.
I am sorry if I offended you, I hope that we can still talk, but if you want to ban me, I understand.

[Phebe Carlyle]

Re: just a human being

Hi, I need to intriduce myself, I am sorry I didn't do that, I came on this forum to reply to a certain thread, to understand more about how True Christians think.

I got an infraction: Dear just_a_human_being,

You have received an infraction at The Landover Baptist Church Forums.

Reason: making unfounded presumptions
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Hello,

Please don't assume anything as to my Brothers or Sisters in Christ. You are in no position to make such a call.

Also, I have noticed that you have failed to make an introduction in our Introduction forum, which is a breach of the rules.

I suggest you hop yourself over to our Introduction forum and give us the common courtesy of a proper salutation.

Unwillingness to do so will result in the compromising of your posting rights.

For making unfounded persumptions, I am sorry it came accross that way, I probably expressed myself in a wrong way, I really don't know what I did wrong, I just want to understand.

I am not a Christian, at a certain time, I thought I was and I found a lot of comfort in the Bible, I read a lot in it when I was looking for guidance on how to be 'without sin'
But it is hard to know the definitian of a Christian. From what I think I understand, I choose not to be called a true christian, because I could never open my mouth and judge others. Judging is not up to me. Unless I know for 100% sure that something is wrong and harmful, then I will warn people, but if I am not sure, I could never do that.
I am sorry if I offended you, I hope that we can still talk, but if you want to ban me, I understand.

If I had any desire to ban you, I would have done so in that infraction. Just as God gives people a chance to rectify their errors, I in turn do so as well.

Your presumptions however as to how my Brother in Christ thinks and why he has determined things the way he has, IS in itself a judgement call on your behalf and not one of RIGHTEOUS judgement.

Now, how about you tell us more about yourself, rather than dwelling on the minor iinfraction you were given.

Thank you.

YIC

Mrs Phebe Dewitt.

[Lycia The Repentant]

Re: just a human being

Hello to you.

I see you are having trouble with the definition of a Christian.

I will see if I can help clear it up for you.

Christian:
Picks and chooses what parts of the bible to follow
May use any number of crazy, false translations
Is going to Hell

True Christian™:
Accepts Jesus Christ and the Lord into their lives
Uses ONLY the KJV 1611 Bible, and follows the scripture to the letter
Gets to go to Heaven and laugh at the sinners in Hell

So what else is there to tell about yourself? Your name? Favorite Bible verse? What sort of horrifying life of debauchery you lead and plan to leave behind on your journey to True Christiandom™?

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: just a human being

Hi, I need to intriduce myself, I am sorry I didn't do that, I came on this forum to reply to a certain thread, to understand more about how True Christians think....

One way or another, we all think may be that when a stranger walks in, an introduction is polite.

The infraction is a small point, but look upon it as a chastisement more done out of care than anger. Introductions are not the alpha and omega and often a posting in a thread elsewhere gives us here at Landover enough to see something of the soul that Jesus has sent here.

Please continue, but do keep to God's Word when making your points.

[just_a_human_being]

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I am sorry that I didn't introduce myself properly.
I admit I was a bit hurt about the infraction because I didn't see how I did something wrong, I was just trying to understand. And I have all the respect for all the people on this forum that I have been talking to.

My name is Brigitte
I'm 33
I guess my favorite Bible verse is:
Philippians 1:9 (King James Version)

"And this I pray, that your love may abound yet more and more in knowledge and in all judgment;"

As u might already have noticed, I am very scared of passing judgement, because I always imagine how it would make me feel if someone judged me wrong. I am however not afraid, if I see an injustice and I am sure of that injustice I will be outspoken about it.

I hope you undersant that it is very hard for me to talk to you, I am not a Christian, and definitely not a True Christian, I don't know yet what I am, I think you probably consider me a lost sheep, but again, I do not know what you actually think of me.

A lot of the people that you judge so hard are actually friends of mine whom I care for a lot.
(not necessarily MCR, but I do have gay people who are my friends, I pretty much have friends in all religions, also wiccans, a lot of friends in the music arts...)
But I do know that you are not 'bad' people, you are doing what you do, because you want to protect others and you think you are doing the right thing. And for me, that is hard to understand, because I don't know the way you think.
I have been brought up catholic, but that was a joke, we never even read The Bible. Though my life I have encoutered many wonderful people with different points of views and I have tried to listen to everyone with an open heart and an open mind.
So I am still listening, trying to put aside personal hurt and ignorance and just trying to understand and listen.

[just_a_human_being]

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and I want to try to avoid making points, I don't have any points to make here, this is your forum my beliefs are different, but I'm not here to express my points, I am here to listen and learn.
If I do make points, it will be out of my love for others, but I will really try to avoid making any of my points, I will just question if that is ok?

[Brother Harold Porter]

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and I want to try to avoid making points, I don't have any points to make here, this is your forum my beliefs are different, but I'm not here to express my points, I am here to listen and learn.
If I do make points, it will be out of my love for others, but I will really try to avoid making any of my points, I will just question if that is ok?

Welcome Sister,

You seem to have a kind heart. Have you ever just tried to let Jesus in you? He cured my gayness, my drug abuse, my criminal lifestyle.

All you have to do is accept your Savior and all your uncertainty, fears and sympathies for unrepentant sinners will vanish.

In Jesus!

[Meek and Humble]

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I guess my favorite Bible verse is:
Philippians 1:9 (King James Version)

"And this I pray, that your love may abound yet more and more in knowledge and in all judgment;"

Good book Philippians. I also like this verse:

Philippians 3:2 Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision.

A good warning to be on the lookout for Jews.

Philippians 4:9 Those things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, do: and the God of peace shall be with you.

Believe whatever Paul tells you to believe, think whatever he tells you to think, and do whatever he tells you to do.

Philippians 2:10That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Everyone will have to worship Jesus -- whether they want to or not.

[BelieverInGod]

Re: just a human being

Hello to you.

I see you are having trouble with the definition of a Christian.

I will see if I can help clear it up for you.

Christian:
Picks and chooses what parts of the bible to follow
May use any number of crazy, false translations
Is going to Hell

True Christian™:
Accepts Jesus Christ and the Lord into their lives
Uses ONLY the KJV 1611 Bible, and follows the scripture to the letter
Gets to go to Heaven and laugh at the sinners in Hell

So what else is there to tell about yourself? Your name? Favorite Bible verse? What sort of horrifying life of debauchery you lead and plan to leave behind on your journey to True Christiandom™?

I would pretty much agree with these definitions, except I try not to capitalize when speaking of false christians. Also, many of those who call themselves christian have never actually opened a Bible in their lives and only take whatever their pastor/priest has spoon fed them without reading it in context and seeing if their pastor/priest is telling them the Truth(C).

I am sorry that I didn't introduce myself properly.
I admit I was a bit hurt about the infraction because I didn't see how I did something wrong, I was just trying to understand. And I have all the respect for all the people on this forum that I have been talking to.

What's wrong with infractions? I've received my share. I don't think there's anyone on this board who hasn't received on (well maybe Pastor Ezekiel). Are you so sensitive that any form of correction will make you shrivel up like a wilted daisy? What are you going to do when God sends you a real test?

Deuteronomy 8:5 Thou shalt also consider in thine heart, that, as a man chasteneth his son, so the LORD thy God chasteneth thee.

Job 5:17 Behold, happy is the man whom God correcteth: therefore despise not thou the chastening of the Almighty:

Hebrews 12:5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:

My name is Brigitte
I'm 33
I guess my favorite Bible verse is:
Philippians 1:9 (King James Version)

"And this I pray, that your love may abound yet more and more in knowledge and in all judgment;"

As u might already have noticed, I am very scared of passing judgement, because I always imagine how it would make me feel if someone judged me wrong. I am however not afraid, if I see an injustice and I am sure of that injustice I will be outspoken about it.

I'm a little confused, you are afraid of judgment (both giving and receiving it seems) yet you chose a verse that tells us that we should judge?

I hope you undersant that it is very hard for me to talk to you, I am not a Christian, and definitely not a True Christian, I don't know yet what I am, I think you probably consider me a lost sheep, but again, I do not know what you actually think of me.

Well it's fairly easy to become a True Christian(TM) Get yourself a KJV Bible and start reading it. Turn your life over to Jesus and let his love fill you.

A lot of the people that you judge so hard are actually friends of mine whom I care for a lot.
(not necessarily MCR, but I do have gay people who are my friends, I pretty much have friends in all religions, also wiccans, a lot of friends in the music arts...)

We are told in the Bible to "judge righteously"
2nd Timothy 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

Now if we look at the Bible, we are told that homosexuals are an abomination who should be stoned to death, wiccans(witches) should not be allowed to live and that we should spend our lives glorifying God, not listening to music that tears him down.

But I do know that you are not 'bad' people, you are doing what you do, because you want to protect others and you think you are doing the right thing. And for me, that is hard to understand, because I don't know the way you think.

We study the Bible and judge according to the laws stated within the Bible.

I have been brought up catholic, but that was a joke, we never even read The Bible. Though my life I have encoutered many wonderful people with different points of views and I have tried to listen to everyone with an open heart and an open mind.

Well it's good that you saw the fallacy within the catholic church. As for listening to everyone, if you accept what everyone tells you, how will you know what is truth? Again, I would tell you to turn to the KJV Bible and read it, I mean really read it. After each chapter, write a quick summary of what it means, then re-read each chapter so that you know that you got it right. If you have any questions, we have Brother V's Bible in a year. We're not a cult, we're not going to tell you what to think or that our Pastors know what the Bible "really" means, as opposed to what is written. Our pastors do know their Bible inside out, but they don't put any translations onto it. They're straight up and honest with the word.

So I am still listening, trying to put aside personal hurt and ignorance and just trying to understand and listen.

Well I can tell you that nothing said here is a personal attack towards you. Some of our members can come across as aggressive, but it's because we are trolled on a regular basis. Yesterday, we had a bunch of trolls from /b/ show up, which is down right annoying. So yes, we can come across as defensive and unwelcoming at times, but please understand why. When you're under constant persecution you do tend to get short tempered at times.

[James Hutchins]

Re: just a human being

Welcome Brigitte. I am sorry being alive is so difficult for you however you made your bed and thusly, have to lay in it.

It breaks my heart to hear you were this close || to getting touched by Jesus. You have no idea how wonderful it is, that magic moment you feel when you have God in inside you for the first time, filling every empty space with His Love®.

Please, I implore you, get your hands on a KJV and read all of it. Understand the incredible magnificence that God Our Oh So Powerful Lord™ is.

And stop listening to that pop music, it will rot your brain.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: just a human being

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[just_a_human_being]

Re: just a human being

I would pretty much agree with these definitions, except I try not to capitalize when speaking of false christians. Also, many of those who call themselves christian have never actually opened a Bible in their lives and only take whatever their pastor/priest has spoon fed them without reading it in context and seeing if their pastor/priest is telling them the Truth©.

What's wrong with infractions? I've received my share. I don't think there's anyone on this board who hasn't received on (well maybe Pastor Ezekiel). Are you so sensitive that any form of correction will make you shrivel up like a wilted daisy? What are you going to do when God sends you a real test?

It's not sensitivity, in my eyes, it seems very injust? If I make mistakes, I will apologize for them, but if I don't know what I did wrong, I want to know why. So it's not out of sensitivity, not at all, just to be able to learn. if you just receive infractions and you don't know what you did wrong, I don't see the benefit of them.
Besides that, yes I am a sensitive person and also a very strong person at the same time.

Deuteronomy 8:5 Thou shalt also consider in thine heart, that, as a man chasteneth his son, so the LORD thy God chasteneth thee.

Job 5:17 Behold, happy is the man whom God correcteth: therefore despise not thou the chastening of the Almighty:

Hebrews 12:5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:

I'm a little confused, you are afraid of judgment (both giving and receiving it seems) yet you chose a verse that tells us that we should judge?

I am not afraid of judgement when I know 100% that it is the right judgement. If I see injustice, I will speak up, I have always done that and will continue to do so, even when it could mean great danger to myself.
So it's not the judging I am afraid of, it is the fear of passing a judgement that is not right, where I would judge someone who does not deserve it. Because that would mean that I do a great injustice upon that person.

Well it's fairly easy to become a True Christian™ Get yourself a KJV Bible and start reading it. Turn your life over to Jesus and let his love fill you.


We are told in the Bible to "judge righteously"
2nd Timothy 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

Now if we look at the Bible, we are told that homosexuals are an abomination who should be stoned to death, wiccans(witches) should not be allowed to live and that we should spend our lives glorifying God, not listening to music that tears him down.


We study the Bible and judge according to the laws stated within the Bible.

I do have a KJV and I have started reading it, I think I have read about a third. To me, it is still very confusing, because there are verses that I read which make immediate sense to me, but then others, that seem to contradict, but I know that that is because I think with the logic that I have learned. So it's quite hard to change this. I actually don't think I could do this on my own.
I would love to ask some more questions, but again, I understand that this is my search, you don't need to answer them if you don't have time or don't want to.
Also, I don't want to waste anyone's time. I am not looking to be saved, I am just trying to understand and I am really thankful for a lot of the feedback that everyone has been giving me, I am starting to understand and it's great because I didn't understand before, it seemed to be all contradictory.

You know what it is, when some of the people out there look at what you (I am talking in general, not about you as a person) say about other people, they immediately judge you to be either evil or stupid. But I know that is not the case, even with my 'outsider' view, I see that you are truly trying to do the right thing from your heart and that you are all loving.
And believe me, it is difficult, because of what you say when it comes to gays, wiccans, musicians; some of the closest people to me in my life belong to those categories, so when I read that they must die or other things, it does hurt me. Because of that reason, I don't think I could ever become a true christian, because I would rather sacrifice my own life then hurt the ones I love. (this is from my point of view of course, please share your opinion)

Well it's good that you saw the fallacy within the catholic church. As for listening to everyone, if you accept what everyone tells you, how will you know what is truth? Again, I would tell you to turn to the KJV Bible and read it, I mean really read it. After each chapter, write a quick summary of what it means, then re-read each chapter so that you know that you got it right. If you have any questions, we have Brother V's Bible in a year. We're not a cult, we're not going to tell you what to think or that our Pastors know what the Bible "really" means, as opposed to what is written. Our pastors do know their Bible inside out, but they don't put any translations onto it. They're straight up and honest with the word.

I meant listening in listining and being genuinly interested, as you can probably tell, I don't just accept things, I question everything, this is the way I gather knowledge and 'decide' what type of person I evolve in and my set of moral standards. I also look for the good in everyone and try to see their logic and point of views. I have already learned it's not a black and white world out there, people come across a certain way, but often they don't intend to come across that way. So I look deeper to see what they are really saying with their actions and with their heart, not necessarily with words, because words can easily be twisted.

I would actually love to have a chance to talk to someone in person as opposed to just writing.

Well I can tell you that nothing said here is a personal attack towards you. Some of our members can come across as aggressive, but it's because we are trolled on a regular basis. Yesterday, we had a bunch of trolls from /b/ show up, which is down right annoying. So yes, we can come across as defensive and unwelcoming at times, but please understand why. When you're under constant persecution you do tend to get short tempered at times.

I do understand, I know how hard it is to be under constant attack from people with a different point of view who don't understand. I hope you don't take it too personally too, they are just trying to protect the people they love, but instead of having a conversation about it, they lash out, out of hurt. And that just spirals down to more hurt, so I don't see the use in that.
But, like I said before, I am very happy that a lot of you have taken the time to talk to me, even with my different views.
Thank you!
Brigitte

[just_a_human_being]

Re: just a human being

Welcome Sister,

You seem to have a kind heart. Have you ever just tried to let Jesus in you? He cured my gayness, my drug abuse, my criminal lifestyle.

All you have to do is accept your Savior and all your uncertainty, fears and sympathies for unrepentant sinners will vanish.

In Jesus!

Thank you, and so do you. Thanks for being so patient with me.

I used to think I had let Jesus (or love - what I thought was the same) in to my life. But it is very different from what I read here, so I will continue to read KJV, but I still can't promise that it will change me.
It's a path I have to look for myself, I have to be the person that I can live with and I will take responsibility for the choice that I make.

It's so weird, because I really honestly saw that as one of the principles of Christianity that you need to love everyone, no matter who they are, was I wrong in assuming that?

[Phebe Carlyle]

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For making unfounded persumptions, I am sorry it came accross that way, I probably expressed myself in a wrong way, I really don't know what I did wrong, I just want to understand.

As Sister BiG pointed out, we get A LOT of people come in here giving advice and offering opinion and more often than not, they are here to attack our beliefs. I suppose I can give you an example you may understand. How would you feel if a complete stranger, walked into your home, or place where you usually gather with only like-minded friends uninvited and not even introduced themselves and started giving advice or trying to relate to them? I am sure you would too say.. "hold up there...who are you to tell me or my loved ones anything, Mrs!"

I will not apologize to you for being justifiably wary of you.

I am not a Christian, at a certain time, I thought I was and I found a lot of comfort in the Bible, I read a lot in it when I was looking for guidance on how to be 'without sin'
But it is hard to know the definitian of a Christian.

It isn't difficult to understand God. The hardest thing people have to tackle is realizing they have to be honest with themselves in order to turn their lives over to Him. It is difficult to address, acknowledge and admit to our own faults, Miss Brigette. That is why so many people cannot "cut it".

From what I think I understand, I choose not to be called a true christian, because I could never open my mouth and judge others. Judging is not up to me. Unless I know for 100% sure that something is wrong and harmful, then I will warn people, but if I am not sure, I could never do that.
I am sorry if I offended you, I hope that we can still talk, but if you want to ban me, I understand.

Part of being a True Christian IS to make judgement calls. Not based on your own thoughts of course but those of God. I think you will find on reading through the threads on the forums here that ALL comments are made purely with God always in mind with Scripture more often than not, quoted along with the judgement call.

YIC

Mrs Phebe Dewitt.

[Levi Jones]

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It's so weird, because I really honestly saw that as one of the principles of Christianity that you need to love everyone, no matter who they are, was I wrong in assuming that?

You are supposed to love your enemies and those who persecute you.

Matthew 5:43-44 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

On the other hand, those who will not listen to your testimony you are to shake the dust from your feet and know that they will be damned for all eternity.

Matthew 10:14-15 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.


Paul writes that we should not eat with sinners.



1 Corinthians 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.


John writes that we should not accept non-believers into your home.



2 John 1:10-11 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.