[JennyD]

Re: Hello From An Unrepentant Unitarian

Based on the way your avatar is dressed, what you refer to as sodomy is obviously more within your bailiwick than it is within mine. But you should be proud of your non-traditional sexuality, Joshua. Don't let these True Pastors or whatever they call themselves make you feel ashamed of your sexual feelings for other men. They aren't wrong, they aren't evil, they are just the way God made you. That, in a nutshell, is all the wisdom I can dispense to you on the topic of homoerotic love.

I see you're as anti-diversity as the bigots of the NAACP or La Raza.

Joshua is SCOTTISH, and dressed in traditional Scottish formalwear. It's called a kilt.

Congratulations on fulfilling my expectations, and being unable to write a single post that was not filled with insults against God's people.

Of course, if you're worried that I might convince a few lurkers that there is a positive, life-affirming religious path that does not discount science or differences of opinion or human feelings or ambiguities in sacred texts or plain common sense, you might as well shut this thread down now, because, if God has a plan for me, that's it.

So, to return to the topic at hand, if you do not believe that every word of the KJV 1611 Bible is literally and unambiguously true, now is the time to speak up.

There's no game here, little boy. And if you are here to argue that God's Word is not God's Word, you are only wasting your breath.

[StarrKingGrad]

Re: Hello From An Unrepentant Unitarian

Some of the OT laws were explicitly abrogated in the NT, such as those that required circumcision or forbid working on the Sabbath, for example. All OT laws that were not specifically repealed in the NT are still in effect.

Interesting. Here are a couple of verses from the OT that I'd like to explore:

Leviticus 20:10: And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

Leviticus 20:9: For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.

Have either of these laws been abrogated in the NT?

If not, is there any Biblical context that I did not quote that explains or modifies or limits either of these two verses in any way?

This is pretty important, since, after you convert me, I would hate to stone someone under circumstances that called for a lesser punishment, or none at all.

We have a Bible in a Year forum now, and we should get to Colossians sometime this summer.

Yes, it is most informative. Another point of agreement--I, too, believe that everyone should study Holy Scripture.

...I am very familiar with Colossians, as I am with the rest of the Bible. We at Landover take the passage you mentioned to heart... Finally, if we didn't love you, we wouldn't keep trying to get you saved, friend.

I confess that I have some doubts about how widespread the practice is at Landover, but I believe you are speaking from the heart, Pastor Billy-Reuben. If ever you should decide to leave the Baptist Church, you have within you the makings of a fine Unitarian.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Hello From An Unrepentant Unitarian

As for the repetition, I just want to be sure that nobody accuses me of misquoting you when we get to the point in this discussion where you will explain to me, and to the other unsaved trash who read this thread, why the many contradictions in the Bible are not contradictions at all. I simply don't want to hear in post 927 of this thread that some of Jesus's words may have been altered in transcription or translation. Best to clear up the ambiguities from the get-go, especially given the tendency in your forums toward stream of consciousness as a rhetorical device.

There are no contradictions in the Bible friend. Were do you get such an odd idea?

[One-eyed Jack]

Re: Hello From An Unrepentant Unitarian

SKG: "...arguing with adolescent boys about the philosophical underpinnings of Super Mario Brothers..."

OEJ: You don't know the half of it. Man. Still, it could be worse. We could be at a political caucus. */head explodes/*

SKG: "I am your best friend, since you can cover a lot more Biblical ground answering my questions..."

OEJ: Almost there. Not quite, though. We discuss not only the Bible but also superstitions like Wicca, Scientology, Hinduism, and Unitarian Universalism.

SKG: "Of course, if you're worried that I might convince a few lurkers that there is a positive, life-affirming religious path that does not discount science or differences of opinion or human feelings or ambiguities in sacred texts or plain common sense, you might as well shut this thread down now, because, if God has a plan for me, that's it."

OEJ: Odd...you did not answer the "atheist's" questions about the UU "Spirit of Life". You dodged 'em. I must say, in re "God's plan" for you...cobarde.

You are familiar, I suppose, with that blasphemous work Letter to a Christian Nation, by Sam Harris? Mister Harris' prime problem is that his prose exposition is exciting as oatmeal. But after slandering Our Lord most horribly, his point -- that religion is abrogation of rationality -- must be taken as an indictment as much of Unitarian Universalism as of Islamic fundamentalism.

Don't you think, lad? Or will you dodge that issue as well?

~~ OEJ

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: Hello From An Unrepentant Unitarian

Leviticus 20:10: And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

Leviticus 20:9: For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.

Have either of these laws been abrogated in the NT?

No they have not, but your next question is a great segue into a larger discussion on the matter.

If not, is there any Biblical context that I did not quote that explains or modifies or limits either of these two verses in any way?

Many people think John 8 is an abrogation of the penalty of stoning for adultery. It is not. Jesus is demonstrating that He and only He has the power to forgive sins, and He will forgive the sins of those who will "go, and sin no more."

We aren't allowed to stone people for these sins today, only because secular laws don't allow it, and we are commanded to obey secular laws (I Peter 2:13-15). However, once we get the laws changed to fit God's laws, and take this nation back for Jesus, it will be a whole new story.

I confess that I have some doubts about how widespread the practice is at Landover, but I believe you are speaking from the heart, Pastor Billy-Reuben. If ever you should decide to leave the Baptist Church, you have within you the makings of a fine Unitarian.

I will assume you meant that as a compliment, Skyclad, but I have been born again into the One True Faith.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[StarrKingGrad]

Re: Hello From An Unrepentant Unitarian

Joshua is SCOTTISH, and dressed in traditional Scottish formalwear. It's called a kilt.

Funny, I got the distinct impression that he was WELSH. Then again, I could be mistaken. How many Welshmen live south of Brighton?

Congratulations on fulfilling my expectations, and being unable to write a single post that was not filled with insults against God's people.

Irony is simply lost on some people. More's the pity in your case, since I've read your writings here, and you have a fine analytical mind, when it's not wasted advertising to the world what a kilt is and whatnot.

There are no contradictions in the Bible friend. Were do you get such an odd idea?

It must have been something I saw on the Internet. You will have ample opportunity to correct this mistaken notion.

[StarrKingGrad]

Re: Hello From An Unrepentant Unitarian

Many people think John 8 is an abrogation of the penalty of stoning for adultery. It is not.

Aren't you the crafty one, taking this discussion in the completely unanticipated direction of John 8. You do know your Bible.

It's getting late here in Berkeley, so I'm going to sign off now and bid everyone Peace. Perhaps on the morrow we can take up the vexatious question of why the Pharisees did not kill rebellious children, and what Jesus thought about that.

[Brother McGregor]

Re: Hello From An Unrepentant Unitarian

Funny, I got the distinct impression that he was WELSH. Then again, I could be mistaken. How many Welshmen live south of Brighton?



Irony is simply lost on some people. More's the pity in your case, since I've read your writings here, and you have a fine analytical mind, when it's not wasted advertising to the world what a kilt is and whatnot.



It must have been something I saw on the Internet. You will have ample opportunity to correct this mistaken notion.

I was born in Scotland to God fearing Anglo Saxon English parents and have lived in Wales. I know Brighton Cardiff Bristol London Surrey Croyden Liverpool and Cornwall quite well. I served in the British Army hence the kilt.
You saw it here. I make no bones about my origins.

[Ahimaaz Smith]

Re: Hello From An Unrepentant Unitarian

Odd...you did not answer the "atheist's" questions about the UU "Spirit of Life". You dodged 'em. I must say, in re "God's plan" for you...cobarde.

He's not going to answer your questions, 'cause he obviously knows that his whole religion (or non-religion) is made up drivel. Next he'll probably start quoting Deepak Chopra. They always get around to quoting Deepak Chopra.

You are familiar, I suppose, with that blasphemous work Letter to a Christian Nation, by Sam Harris?

Isn't Sam Harris the guy who denies God but believes in psychic powers? At least he understands that we need to torture a few Mooslims every now and then to keep America safe.

[JennyD]

Re: Hello From An Unrepentant Unitarian

Funny, I got the distinct impression that he was WELSH. Then again, I could be mistaken. How many Welshmen live south of Brighton?

How many Negroes live west of Africa?

How many Mexicans live north of Berkeley?

Are we having a discussion, or compiling an atlas?

Aren't you the crafty one, taking this discussion in the completely unanticipated direction of John 8. You do know your Bible.

It's getting late here in Berkeley, so I'm going to sign off now and bid everyone Peace. Perhaps on the morrow we can take up the vexatious question of why the Pharisees did not kill rebellious children, and what Jesus thought about that.

Ah, dodging a Pastor's query yet again, and complaing that 8 pm is late.

[Brother McGregor]

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reading your earlier response that I saw Jenny respond to...Are you sure you are a minister? Seems to me that you have come out of left field and attacked me for sodomy when that is an action I find reprehensible.
I have mocked your obvious lack of knowledge concerning the Bible and your embrace of all "faiths" amounts to nothing more than wiccian hoohaw as far as I am concerned.

I doubt you are a minister, unitarian or otherwise.

Are you?

[Brother McGregor]

Re: Hello From An Unrepentant Unitarian

How many Negroes live west of Africa?

How many Mexicans live north of Berkeley?

Are we having a discussion, or compiling an atlas?
Ah, dodging a Pastor's query yet again, and complaing that 8 pm is late.

He still hasn't addressed the fact that Unitarians allow sodomites to preach...that is known sodomites...not the kind that hide behind their papist frocks.
They also marry the sodomites.

[One-eyed Jack]

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Ahimaaz Smith: "He's not going to answer your questions, 'cause he obviously knows that his whole religion (or non-religion) is made up drivel. Next he'll probably start quoting Deepak Chopra. They always get around to quoting Deepak Chopra."

From what I saw on the forum he linked, Brother Ahimaaz, you have hit that one square on the head. Egads. I have seldom seen such maundering mush-brainery...

"Do you thnk satinism is gud religion? Cos i like rocknroll and songs bout satin are cool!"

"I wuz into Wicca for a while and then I switched to Buhdism and now I think I worship teletubbies. But I too high to be sure."

"well i do wiccer magik in my car when i driving to work at the crackpottery plant. the spells make me all horny. any hot chicks in here?"

It's delusion-enabling for mental 12-year-olds.

And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory. Revelation 16:9

~~ OEJ

[Brother McGregor]

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Ahimaaz Smith: "He's not going to answer your questions, 'cause he obviously knows that his whole religion (or non-religion) is made up drivel. Next he'll probably start quoting Deepak Chopra. They always get around to quoting Deepak Chopra."

From what I saw on the forum he linked, Brother Ahimaaz, you have hit that one square on the head. Egads. I have seldom seen such maundering mush-brainery...

"Do you thnk satinism is gud religion? Cos i like rocknroll and songs bout satin are cool!"

"I wuz into Wicca for a while and then I switched to Buhdism and now I think I worship teletubbies. But I too high to be sure."

"well i do wiccer magik in my car when i driving to work at the crackpottery plant. the spells make me all horny. any hot chicks in here?"

It's delusion-enabling for mental 12-year-olds.

And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory. Revelation 16:9

~~ OEJ

I too am wading through the turgid abominations that pass themselves off as posters in there.
Why don't they just hang up a banner that states

"Hey if ya wants to do it...jus do it!"

Very disgusting but after this so called unitarian minister attacked the body of this congregation and namely me...I think he certainly lost all his so called vaulted "self imposed superiority"

[WilliamJenningsBryan]

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He's not going to answer your questions, 'cause he obviously knows that his whole religion (or non-religion) is made up drivel. Next he'll probably start quoting Deepak Chopra. They always get around to quoting Deepak Chopra.
....

Indeed Brother Smith, Unitarian churches are like a bad PBS pledge week, there is always some new attraction - like learning to play the piano with three fingers. I always thought that Unitarians were all dwarfs that had nothing better to do on Sunday mornings.