[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: Humm

Ohh, I just had to log back in to reply to you Sir.

Basically you are saying. I disagree with you, I'm going to hell and me and Satan are bum buddy's.

In what way am I saying to turn you back on God? I'm not. You need to stop thinking your so right and read what I am saying.

You cant relate everything to now. We are not living in the same times as when the bible was written.

Let me rephrase that. Your views, and your inability to have a logical talk where you listen and understand other views. Make me ashamed to call myself Christian, and ashamed you call yourself Christian.

We've read what you've written, and three of us have taken the time to show you where the Bible says you are wrong. What more do you want us to do?

Well, I have read most of it at Sunday school. I would read it now, however reading gives me migraines. Another work of the all loving God. Kinnda means I cant do what you want.

It sounds as though you're conceding Pastor Sampson's point on predestination. Is that your intent?

I'm not defying Gods word. I am saying, I have a different interpretation of the bible. Just as yours is an interpretation of the bible. Just like religious extremists understand the bible, thats what they view. Is that Gods will?

Let me make an analogy. The owner's manual of my SUV includes specific requirements to change the oil at certain intervals to maintain the warranty in force. Suppose that I ignore those requirements on the ground that they cannot be related to today (I'm a busy man, after all) or that I "interpret" them differently from the way the dealership does. Do you think the dealership will honor the warranty when the engine seizes? Why or why not?

[Kyle93]

Re: Humm

We've read what you've written, and three of us have taken the time to show you where the Bible says you are wrong. What more do you want us to do?

It sounds as though you're conceding Pastor Sampson's point on predestination. Is that your intent?

Let me make an analogy. The owner's manual of my SUV includes specific requirements to change the oil at certain intervals to maintain the warranty in force. Suppose that I ignore those requirements on the ground that they cannot be related to today (I'm a busy man, after all) or that I "interpret" them differently from the way the dealership does. Do you think the dealership will honor the warranty when the engine seizes? Why or why not?

Thank you, you at least made an effort in this post.

I'm saying, that that is your view on the bible. The bible is riddled with contradictions. I personally understand it differently. You cant say your understanding is right and I am wrong. Its both how we understand the bible. Why else is there different Churches. http://www.request.org.uk/main/churches/churches.htm

It is not my intent. I am saying that you can enforce your belief's on people. You can't say that gays are inferior. I just disagree on this issue with you.

That is a well reasoned example, however its not quite relative to this situation.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Humm

I'm getting a little tired of these people who have made God up inside their own heads coming in here and getting angry with us for not somehow coinciding with their beliefs.

We're not making God up because we have the Bible. What do you use to prove your God is real?

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Humm

I am going to choose to leave this. I dont want to sink to your level, where I have to attack others beliefs.

You started off by attacking our beliefs and it all went downhill from there.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Humm

The bible is riddled with contradictions. I personally understand it differently. You cant say your understanding is right and I am wrong.

Yes we can because you are just making things up whereas we are quoting the Bible verbatim. The actual inerrant and perfect word of God.

2 Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

You can't say that gays are inferior.

We're not saying gays are inferior. We're saying that God says gays deserve to die. Because He does.

Sticking your fingers in your ears and ignoring the awkward bits doesn't make you a good Christian, it makes you a lying charlatan who doesn't care if people burn in Hell but just wants people to like him at all costs. That's despicable!

[Voll_EQ]

Re: Humm

Hallo friend.

Like you i am new to this forum. However i did learned a few things (and i am in deed here to learn, and i listen to the pastors as they can help me)

1. Its not up to us men to intrepret the bible.
2. Its not up to us men to decide if we want to take something out of the bible.
3. Its Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.

You can clerely see here how faggots and queers make (maybe by force??) a young boy to defend them : Be carefull and keep your bible close while ou watch this How a forced person justify faggots

Also i learned not to discuss with the pastors, as it turnes out that they alwayes is right, however instead of question what they say, i ask them questions, i am the lost sheep and they are my shepherds.

As a example, when i arrwied on this forum, i would NEVER hit my wife, but after reading answers by the pastors, i tried this, and guess what, its works, i have dinner on the table every day at time, i dont need to have S*** with her, unless we make babies, i never have to raise my voice (raising the hand is enough), she never weares jeanes any more (they made her look fat) now she weres long dresses (covers the ankels ofcourse and obviosly they not tight either).

Now i can spend my time concentrate on become a better Soldier, in better shape, hopeing to get a 4th tour till the Helman province and fight Talibans.

And even i am from denmark, and thereby hated by many people, i will show you a video from Afghanistan, and this perfectly shows how all good christians should act, it also shows that God keeps hes hand over those fight against muslims, this movie is from a documentry and this is not actors.

Heres the movie

This is also what i am hopeing to do again, and how can i do this? By listen to the wisdom given to me by the pastors

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: Humm

Thank you, you at least made an effort in this post.

I'm saying, that that is your view on the bible. The bible is riddled with contradictions. I personally understand it differently. You cant say your understanding is right and I am wrong. Its both how we understand the bible.

So in your view, not only are parts of the Bible outdated, but also, the Bible is riddled with contradictions. If that were true, God would have done a poor job of preserving His Word and making His will known to us. How, then, would you know what that God wants from you, and how could you even trust such a God?

Why else is there different Churches. http://www.request.org.uk/main/churches/churches.htm

Most of them are false churches:

Matt. 7:13-14: Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide [is] the gate, and broad [is] the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

They teach mutually contradictory doctrines, and do you agree with me that churches that teach mutually contradictory doctrines cannot all be right?

[Bob4God]

Re: Humm

I'm saying, that that is your view on the bible. The bible is riddled with contradictions.

It sounds like you're just trying to justify your dwindling belief in the Bible.

Young people often abandon the Truth of Scripture in favor of being able to do whatever they please.

The Bible is not full of contradictions. You are just looking at it the wrong way, and taking it out of context.

GOD wrote the Bible to say exactly what it says, and it doesn't change just because society and science move forward.

Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. - Hebrews 13:8

If ye love me, keep my commandments. - John 14:15

[Kyle93]

Re: Humm

So in your view, not only are parts of the Bible outdated, but also, the Bible is riddled with contradictions. If that were true, God would have done a poor job of preserving His Word and making His will known to us. How, then, would you know what that God wants from you, and how could you even trust such a God?

Most of them are false churches:

Matt. 7:13-14: Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide [is] the gate, and broad [is] the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

They teach mutually contradictory doctrines, and do you agree with me that churches that teach mutually contradictory doctrines cannot all be right?

Faith is how I trust God. My faith is not solely based on the Bible.

So, as they disagree with you they are false churches? What if they are correct and you are the false church?

Feel free to call me "retarded" as many member's on your site have done, but would you mind explaining that last statement to me.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Humm

Faith is how I trust God. My faith is not solely based on the Bible.

That means you're making it up!

How can you be angry with us for not making up the same God as you? That's rather arrogant.

Timothy 6
3If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; 4He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, 5Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself. 6But godliness with contentment is great gain.


Galatians 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: Humm

Faith is how I trust God. My faith is not solely based on the Bible.

Then on what else is it based?

So, as they disagree with you they are false churches? What if they are correct and you are the false church?

We guard against that possibility by following the Bible.

Feel free to call me "retarded" as many member's on your site have done, but would you mind explaining that last statement to me.

Not at all. Let me give you two examples of what I mean. One church teaches that Purgatory exists; another teaches that it does not; they cannot both be right. One church teaches infant baptism by sprinkling; another teaches that only believers' baptism by full immersion is permissible; they cannot both be right.

[Kyle93]

Re: Humm

That means you're making it up!

How can you be angry with us for not making up the same God as you? That's rather arrogant.

Timothy 6
3If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; 4He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, 5Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself. 6But godliness with contentment is great gain.


Galatians 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Solely - "Not involving anyone or anything else; only: "appointed solely on the basis of merit"."

So not solely means that I base it off many things.

When did I say I was angry?

And "How can you be angry with us for not making up the same God as you?" You have just said you made your God up. Repent sinner!

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Humm

Solely - "Not involving anyone or anything else; only: "appointed solely on the basis of merit"."

So not solely means that I base it off many things.

When did I say I was angry?

And "How can you be angry with us for not making up the same God as you?" You have just said you made your God up. Repent sinner!

You're totally mental.

I repeatedly said I don't make God up but you do. God comes only from the Holy Bible or you might as well make up an imaginary friend and accredit it with everything that happens that you like in life and convince yourself you have its favour if you are fortunate.

We're not making up God like you and agreeing with you so you are persecuting us.


Romans 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

2 John 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:

Begone you false prophet!

[Kyle93]

Re: Humm

Then on what else is it based?

We guard against that possibility by following the Bible.

Not at all. Let me give you two examples of what I mean. One church teaches that Purgatory exists; another teaches that it does not; they cannot both be right. One church teaches infant baptism by sprinkling; another teaches that only believers' baptism by full immersion is permissible; they cannot both be right.

Life changing experiences.

You are following your views of the bible. Just as I and they have there interpenetration of it.

Ok, thank you. If I can relate you to something I understand.

5+5=10
2*5=10

Would give the same answer, so they are both right.

They way you view the problem gives different answers.

Again, thank you. For having a more logical respectful talk.

[The Humanist]

Re: Humm

Solely - "Not involving anyone or anything else; only: "appointed solely on the basis of merit"."

So not solely means that I base it off many things.

When did I say I was angry?

And "How can you be angry with us for not making up the same God as you?" You have just said you made your God up. Repent sinner!

You're making me cry genuine tears of frustration that these superstitious people know more about why things have gravity than you.