Hello

[The Cynic]

I was linked to this forum by a friend. I originally was just going to leave, since I am atheist, but I noticed on your rules that you did not mind friendly rational discussion, so I decided to try to instigate some.

A little about me: I am British, and I can't do spelling and grammar the American way: apologies to those who can't stand British spelling and grammar. I sang in a Cathedral choir for five years, have read the Bible (it has been a while though) and I went to a Christian school. My atheism is due to my deep rooted cynicism (as shown by my username) and my love of science.

I am perfectly happy to debate with anyone on my views. The major reason why I joined was to find out why all of you have such militant views on atheists and other religions in general.

One final note, trolling is immature and I never do it.

[James Hutchins]

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Welcome friend. What makes you think your Church was Christian? Why do you choose to ignore the majesty of God? Do you deny Jesuses existence?

[Zechariah Smyth]

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What's "militant" about following the Bible?

Is it "militant" to follow the shop manual when replacing a transmission?

Yours in Christ,

Z. Smyth
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[The Cynic]

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Welcome friend. What makes you think your Church was Christian? Why do you choose to ignore the majesty of God? Do you deny Jesuses existence?

Thanks for your welcome. I'm pretty sure it was Christian, considering I attended every single service and concert during which there were Bible verses, sermons and Christian music. We also had a Bishop.

I don't ignore God per se, I am aware that people believe in His existence, but I personally have to see something to believe it. I don't condemn anyone for believing anything I personally don't, but proof is always a good thing

Actually, Jesus of Nazareth DID exist around 4 BC, but whether or not he was the Son of God remains to be proven fact.

[The Cynic]

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What's "militant" about following the Bible?

Is it "militant" to follow the shop manual when replacing a transmission?

What I meant by that is you are all so very blunt in your views: something which I actually rather respect. At least there's no pussyfooting around the subject worrying about political correctness. I don't agree with most of your views, but at least you're honest

[Redeemed Papist]

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Actually, Jesus of Nazareth DID exist around 4 BC, but whether or not he was the Son of God remains to be proven fact.

On what evidence are you basing that assertion? Because there is no other contemporary evidence for Jesus' existence than the Bible. "I read it once in a history book" doesn't count.

[The Cynic]

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On what evidence are you basing that assertion? Because there is no other contemporary evidence for Jesus' existence than the Bible. "I read it once in a history book" doesn't count.

My apologies. I cannot actually state exactly where it is written, but I know that there are brief references in both pagan and Jewish sources, from decades or centuries later. Most scholars agree that Jesus did exist as a person. The two most disputed facts about him are in fact his birth and his crucifixion and resurrection as you may imagine.

I can't quote it factually, as seen above, but I was taught about it during Religious Studies at school.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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This is the INTRODUCTIONS section of the forum. Please tell us about yourself, your church, and your relationship with Jesus. Or do you still worship the Queen?

If you'd like to find out more about Landover Baptist Church, please read THIS thread created especially for new posters.

If you have a question, use the "search" function before posting it. Most likely it is being discussed somewhere on this Godly forum. Please don't waste God's precious bandwidth.

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Your rights on this forum are listed HERE. If you feel that any of these rights have been violated, please don't hesitate to contact a Pastor at once.

[The Cynic]

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Hello, Pastor Ezekiel.

I believe I introduced myself above. I don't tend to give out my real name on the internet, if that is what you meant. I left my church two years ago to concentrate on getting good grades in my exams, since the services were taking up too much of my time.

I don't have a relationship with Jesus, but I don't mind those who do. I don't worship the Queen! I don't know where you got that idea from, save that I am British. In all honesty, I believe that the monarchy are outdated figureheads sucking money out of our tax coffers

I was unaware that I was being disrespectful. It said in the forum rules that peaceful debate was not against the rules.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

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My apologies. I cannot actually state exactly where it is written, but I know that there are brief references in both pagan and Jewish sources, from decades or centuries later. Most scholars agree that Jesus did exist as a person. The two most disputed facts about him are in fact his birth and his crucifixion and resurrection as you may imagine.

I can't quote it factually, as seen above, but I was taught about it during Religious Studies at school.

No proof is needed. My blind faith is all the proof I need. But in addition to that, I have the New Testament, statements of the early Church Fathers (filthy Catlickers), and the pagan penis worshipers and Christ-killing Jewish sources you refer to include Josephus, the Gnostic gospels, and the Apocrypha. Of course, all of these are heretical except for the New Testament, and then only the KJV is correct. These heretical gospels do not detract from the authority of the KJV Bible because they all rely completely on hearsay, while the KJV Bible was received through direct inspiration of the Holy Ghost.

[The Cynic]

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No proof is needed. My blind faith is all the proof I need. But in addition to that, I have the New Testament, statements of the early Church Fathers (filthy Catlickers), and the pagan penis worshipers and Christ-killing Jewish sources you refer to include Josephus, the Gnostic gospels, and the Apocrypha. Of course, all of these are heretical except for the New Testament, and then only the KJV is correct. These heretical gospels do not detract from the authority of the KJV Bible because they all rely completely on hearsay, while the KJV Bible was received through direct inspiration of the Holy Ghost.

Fair enough. I, however, true to scientific method, need more than one source to verify something as fact.

I am quite surprised though. I would have thought that you would all jump at the chance to show Jesus was fact. Good on you for sticking to your faith

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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Of course Jesus is a fact. It says so in the Holy Bible, which is the perfect and inerrant Word of God.

1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23:Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

There is nothing to debate here. The Bible is right, always.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

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Fair enough. I, however, true to scientific method, need more than one source to verify something as fact.

Then you will never know anything, as there is only one source, and that is God.

[The Cynic]

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Of course Jesus is a fact. It says so in the Holy Bible, which is the perfect and inerrant Word of God.



There is nothing to debate here. The Bible is right, always.

Actually, the Bible is not the "perfect and inerrant Word of God". I am sure that someone before me will have mentioned this, but there have been many iterations of the Bible before the King James Version including different translations, some of which had VAST differences and mistakes.

I am aware that I am on your turf, but can you give me something better than circular arguments? Please? Make me BELIEVE! I've READ the Bible and attended church. I sang for ten hours a week in the glory of the Lord! I want to see some attempts at justification!

For a final note, your faith is absolutely incredible. I wish I could believe in something, but unfortunately I cannot. I really admire those who can.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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The Bible tells us that people like you cannot understand the Holy Scripture because your father is satan.

John 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 8:45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.