I suppose I should start somewhere.

[Kathrine]

And here seems like the best place.

I am 17 years of age. I was born in the United states of America. I went to a private christian school for the first 4 years of my schooling. I have attended church for most of my life. I have read most, if not all, of the Bible.

That being said I wish to get opinions, not just bashing, on a few points that seem a bit contradictory.

First off in Genesis. God wants what is best for us but yet keeps us from knowing the difference between right and wrong. Why?

Also the lamb was chosen as the symbol for Christians. I'm not sure who decided this but I'm wondering why because I found out a few years ago when I volunteered to raise sheep that some rams prefer rams instead of ewes. Which throws the whole anti-homosexuality into question. If we are his "sheep" then 1 in 10 of us should have homosexual yearnings.

I will start with those two questions. Thank you and please as I asked before no bashing. I am only here to understand more about the Lord and His book.

[Wide-Open]

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From your screen name, I will assume you are female.

Two questions in return:

1) Why didn't you read the whole Bible? ("most, if not all" reads like "I couldn't be bothered really." )

2) Why on earth were you volunteering to raise sheep. Shouldn't you be raising a couple of children by now? You DO know women can only be saved through producing Soldiers for Christ, right?

[Dr. Ernest C. Ville, D.C.S.]

Re: I suppose I should start somewhere.

And here seems like the best place.

Indeed you are correct Welcome!

I am 17 years of age. I was born in the United states of America. I went to a private christian school for the first 4 years of my schooling. I have attended church for most of my life. I have read most, if not all, of the Bible.

Although I suspect that your time here will be brief as you are still quite young, I welcome you. Why did you leave the private Christian school? Please don't misconstrue my question: there are certainly very valid reasons to leave a Christian school, from the incessant creep of liberalism to a denial of some of Christ's commandments that are too "inconvenient" for some schools to follow. I assure you that you will find none of that here, but some churches do indeed fall into that trap.

And to echo Wide Open, I do find it curious that you have read most of the Bible. If you are to be a True Christian, it is expected that you will be well-versed in all of the Bible. Too often false "christians" fall prey to Satan because they know "most" of the Bible. They know the love parts, the John 3:16's, the Genesis 1:1's, etc. But they ignore the painful parts, the parts that require something from humanity other than just "love" and some money.

Being a Christian is no simple task, Kathrine. You can't just show up to church for Christmas and Easter and go straight to Heaven. Indeed, the road to Heaven is narrow, and few will find the way! Don't be deceived by Christians who tell you otherwise, as they simply aren't familiar with what their Bible says outside of the parts that make them "feel good".

That being said I wish to get opinions, not just bashing, on a few points that seem a bit contradictory.

Well glory, this is what we are best at. Let us start off by saying that there are no contradictions in the Bible--presumably we can agree on that. There may be some confusing points that seem (as you said) to be contradictory, but in context, everything makes sense.

First off in Genesis. God wants what is best for us but yet keeps us from knowing the difference between right and wrong. Why?

Do you have a specific verse for this? I think the distinction that you are missing is the fact that God wants what's best for His Children. Unlike what many false "christians" will tell you, God's Children aren't everyone! God's Children are His chosen, the True Christians(tm) of the world (e.g. those of us fortunate enough to be here in Freehold).

So for us True Christians, God spares no expense. He has prepared for us mansion in Heaven, where we will spend all eternity celebrating His Love for us.

However, on the flipside of that same coin is the fact that God does not love but rather Hates sin (and therefore sinners). He cannot tolerate sin, and cannot be in its presence. Because of this, He has created Hell, a place of unimaginable pain and suffering, a place where He will send all those who do not choose to follow Him.

Also the lamb was chosen as the symbol for Christians. I'm not sure who decided this but I'm wondering why because I found out a few years ago when I volunteered to raise sheep that some rams prefer rams instead of ewes. Which throws the whole anti-homosexuality into question. If we are his "sheep" then 1 in 10 of us should have homosexual yearnings.

Actually you aren't exactly correct here. The lamb is a symbol of Jesus, as the Lamb of God. He is our sacrifice, sent by His own Father to die for us, somehow absolving us of our sins, so that we might believe and spend all eternity in Heaven.

The symbol for Christians is the ichthys, the fish.

And your point is patently false. If rams preferred rams, then there would be no baby lambs, and sheep would be extinct by now. I don't know who taught you that, but I would suspect that it was a public school. Presumably when you left the Christian school you went to a public school?

I will start with those two questions. Thank you and please as I asked before no bashing. I am only here to understand more about the Lord and His book.

Again, as Brother Wide Open states, the best way to know the Lord is to read His Word. Not parts of it, not most of it, but all of it. It is in this way that we can grow closer to the Lord and be the type of Christians that He wants us to be.

That being said, we here at Landover can certainly point you in the right direction. We appreciate your sincerity in seeking the Lord and we are happy to help those with lesser faith than ours.

[James Hutchins]

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Simple answers to your questions.

God wants us to choose correctly on our own. It is called free will. He gve us the Bible. It it up to us (that means you too) to actually read it and follow the basic, incredibly simple steps He had put in it. Even you as an empty headed 17 year old should know this, after all you claim to be a Christian.

You are a female, you should not be questioning ANYTHING. Learn to cook and clean, pray for God to enable a man to not find you utterly homely.

Even a German would know this.

[Redeemed Papist]

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How is it so hard to follow? The Bible is there like a page by page guide to how to follow God's will. There's no need to worry about why. There's no need to question God. You just do His will and accept His truth.

[Mary Etheldreda]

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Hi Kathrine! Welcome to our friendly and informative forums! You have certainly found the right place for answers to your questions. If your father has failed in his duty as a Christian father to find you an appropriate True Christian™ husband, we have a nice singles forum here where you can advertise your services as a young wife! At age 17 you should already have a child and one on the way by now, but some men prefer older women so perhaps God has a husband in store for you right now, just waiting for you to introduce yourself! If you are not too homely, it might be a good idea to post a photo of yourself, too. Germans are generally athletic, right? So you should do well I think. (You don't look like an East German Olympian do you? They look like Russian farmers - men - and that would be a pretty tough sell I imagine.) Anyway, it's nice to have you here!

God Bless!

Mary

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: I suppose I should start somewhere.

I found out a few years ago when I volunteered to raise sheep that some rams prefer rams instead of ewes. Which throws the whole anti-homosexuality into question. If we are his "sheep" then 1 in 10 of us should have homosexual yearnings.

Hi, Kathrine! And welcome!



I see my Brothers and Sisters have answered most of your other questions, so I'll just address this last one.

You're missing a couple of very important points:

• First, humans have souls, and have understanding of God's Will. Animals do not. God has not commanded animals to do anything in particular, other than not gore humans . . . and this directive is given to humans, not to oxen.

• Second, animals do all manner of disgusting things. Do you think that because an animal does things, we should do it too? Dogs eat their own vomit, and also eat cat poop. Do you eat your own vomit, and cat poop? Why not?

Birds eat worms, then throw them up partially digested into their babies' mouths. Did your mother do that for you? Why not?

Monkeys fling feces to express their frustration. Do you? (If you're a Juggalo, I realize the answer is yes . . . but we're not entirely certain if they're human.)

[Kathrine]

Re: I suppose I should start somewhere.

First I would like to thank you all for not incoherently screaming at me for not reading the whole bible. I do in fact have a decent reason for not finishing the whole book. If you will have patience I will explain. You see I moved states when I was around 7 years old which is why I had to leave my private school. During this move we had to pack all of our bibles in a single box. Unfortunately this box got lost somewhere between Colorado and Washington State. The private school I was then enrolled in did not have the topic of religion and I got involved with other things such as sports and the orchestra. I have not had a lot of time since we moved to re-read it unfortunately.

Now on to some things that strike a nerve with me.

I am sorry to say that even though I find your advice and helpfulness rather enjoyable I do have a few issues.

Wide-Open: Do you know where I live? I think not. The town I live in has more sheep than men. It was a school project and I had to raise three lambs to score well in the class.

Dr. Ernst C. Ville: I thank you for your thought out and helpful post. I apologize for my inaccuracies. As my tag line states I am as of yet unsaved trash, I believe that means that I am going to hell if I continue on this path. I cannot remember the exact verse for a quote but I do remember the story. It was with Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden. I believe they were Gods first children weren't they? Also I appreciate your concern about me being to young to last long here but I am very mature-minded for my age and I think I can take being criticized and having others put opinions in my messages. If you remember correctly I said that 1 in 10 rams preferred rams to ewes. Meaning that 9 out of 10 rams still prefer ewes to rams which keeps the population running smoothly.

James Hutchins: Even you contradict yourself within that short post. In the second paragraph you stated that we have free will if I am not mistaken. Does this mean only men since women are not allowed to question anything? I don't believe I am empty-headed as well and one such as you should not be the judge of whether or not the knowledge held inside of my head is important or not.

Redeemed Papist: I never said anywhere that the Bible was hard to follow. You are jumping to conclusions.

To all who mentioned my age and lack of children: I understand that God made me able to bear children in my teenage years but as of yet I have not found a young man to help me raise mentioned child(ren). Also I understand that I still have several fertile years in front of me. I believe the end is around 50 years of age for women meaning I still have 33 or so years.

[Redeemed Papist]

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None of that wall of excuses is going to get you into Heaven. Why are you not doing the will of our Father in Heaven?

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Also I understand that I still have several fertile years in front of me. I believe the end is around 50 years of age for women meaning I still have 33 or so years.

But by that time your looks will have faded and any children you have will be far more likely to decide to be retarded or gay.

Chop chop!
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[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: I suppose I should start somewhere.

First I would like to thank you all for not incoherently screaming at me for not reading the whole bible. I do in fact have a decent reason for not finishing the whole book. If you will have patience I will explain. You see I moved states when I was around 7 years old which is why I had to leave my private school. During this move we had to pack all of our bibles in a single box. Unfortunately this box got lost somewhere between Colorado and Washington State. The private school I was then enrolled in did not have the topic of religion and I got involved with other things such as sports and the orchestra. I have not had a lot of time since we moved to re-read it unfortunately.

You've had ten years to wander down to your nearest Baptist church and ask for a free Bible, yet you haven't done it. Why?

Because you've put sports and playing with instruments ahead of Jesus, that's why!

www.bible.com
www.biblegateway.com

Look, it's the Bible. On the Internet, for free!

Next excuse?

[James Hutchins]

Re: I suppose I should start somewhere.

First I would like to thank you all for not incoherently screaming at me for not reading the whole bible. I do in fact have a decent reason for not finishing the whole book. If you will have patience I will explain. You see I moved states when I was around 7 years old which is why I had to leave my private school. During this move we had to pack all of our bibles in a single box. Unfortunately this box got lost somewhere between Colorado and Washington State. The private school I was then enrolled in did not have the topic of religion and I got involved with other things such as sports and the orchestra. I have not had a lot of time since we moved to re-read it unfortunately.

Now on to some things that strike a nerve with me.

I am sorry to say that even though I find your advice and helpfulness rather enjoyable I do have a few issues.

Wide-Open: Do you know where I live? I think not. The town I live in has more sheep than men. It was a school project and I had to raise three lambs to score well in the class.

Dr. Ernst C. Ville: I thank you for your thought out and helpful post. I apologize for my inaccuracies. As my tag line states I am as of yet unsaved trash, I believe that means that I am going to hell if I continue on this path. I cannot remember the exact verse for a quote but I do remember the story. It was with Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden. I believe they were Gods first children weren't they? Also I appreciate your concern about me being to young to last long here but I am very mature-minded for my age and I think I can take being criticized and having others put opinions in my messages. If you remember correctly I said that 1 in 10 rams preferred rams to ewes. Meaning that 9 out of 10 rams still prefer ewes to rams which keeps the population running smoothly.

James Hutchins: Even you contradict yourself within that short post. In the second paragraph you stated that we have free will if I am not mistaken. Does this mean only men since women are not allowed to question anything? I don't believe I am empty-headed as well and one such as you should not be the judge of whether or not the knowledge held inside of my head is important or not.

Redeemed Papist: I never said anywhere that the Bible was hard to follow. You are jumping to conclusions.

To all who mentioned my age and lack of children: I understand that God made me able to bear children in my teenage years but as of yet I have not found a young man to help me raise mentioned child(ren). Also I understand that I still have several fertile years in front of me. I believe the end is around 50 years of age for women meaning I still have 33 or so years.

I have no idea where 'Niedersachsen' is located nor do I care. However, somehow I suspect you do. 51.666 79.6500
Now, if you'd read the Bible, you'd see I do not contradict myself. In fact, I am Biblically correct. Unless of course you are not a female. Which is possible given your close relationship with sheep.
Deuteronomy 23:17 There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel.

Furthermore, as a True Christian™, God has empowered me to make judgment exactly like this
Isaiah 29:14 Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.
Leviticus 19:15 Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honor the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.


Just in case you wonder:
1st Timothy 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
1st Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
1st Corinthians 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
1st Corinthians 14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

[James Hutchins]

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She is gone. Another sinner off to defile farm animals.
Why am I not in the least bit surprised and yet at the same time saddened at the sheeps violation?

[Roberta]

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To all who mentioned my age and lack of children: I understand that God made me able to bear children in my teenage years but as of yet I have not found a young man to help me raise mentioned child(ren). Also I understand that I still have several fertile years in front of me. I believe the end is around 50 years of age for women meaning I still have 33 or so years.

Please do not wait until you are 50 to have children. If you do you will probably end up with a retard like Sarah's little Twig.

[The Lord's Sword]

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I have not had a lot of time since we moved to re-read it unfortunately.

James Hutchins: Even you contradict yourself within that short post. In the second paragraph you stated that we have free will if I am not mistaken. Does this mean only men since women are not allowed to question anything? I don't believe I am empty-headed as well and one such as you should not be the judge of whether or not the knowledge held inside of my head is important or not.

Firstly, welcome! This is the one true path to Jesus and Heaven. If you keep on the path you are currently on you will end up in Hell before you know it. How have you not had time for the bible? 10 years isn't long enough to get a new bible? It sounds like your parents spend their weekends fornicating and having anal sex. NOTHING is more important than the bible, KJV of course. Matthew 6:31-33 clearly states that you shouldn't worry about anything other than God. I suggest you start putting your priorities in line, unless you want to go to hell.

You are not equal to a man. You are a woman and need to learn your place. 1 Corinthians 11:8-9 "For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man." God makes it clear that you are NOT our equal and should obey us. You were created for us. If you took the time to read the bible, you would know that your place is to serve your father, since you are not married. You need to find yourself a good Christian husband and obey his every command. All of these opinions you have are your ticket to Hell.
Matthew 6:31-33


31Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?
32(For after all these things do the Gentiles seek for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.
33But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.