[StarDreamerNight]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

James Hutchins a little help here, Sister Mary, please.
Some here are resorting to baseless insults, again.
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I am not a whore, it is impossible to be a whore if one is a virgin and has not allowed a man to do more then kiss my cheek. I obey the Law of Chastity, I cannot be a whore. -wonders if there are any here with any intellegence-

I am a faithful, pure daughter of God that follows the words of the Bible and looks to Jesus Christ for guidance. I pray for understanding and truth, as well as pray to my Father for answers on what to do.

[James Hutchins]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

Hmm, Ralph seems to of a good sort. Might you ask if he would be able to say the lyrics of the song I linked, and Sister Mary posted for all to see, with complete honesty? Would he support my writing career? Does he like to read, not just the Bible but other books? What where his favorite classes in school? Would Ralph treat me as Jesus Christ treated the women he meet and knew? I do not just want a True Christian Man but a good, kind man with a good heart.
Also I am a bit unsure whether having a husband younger then me is a good idea, as many young men not yet 20 have a lack maturity and good sense. Can you tell me a bit more on his personality and how he handles himself in different situations? Is he a young man with good manners and is intelligent?

Now I am asking these question to better know him, and to see if we are even compatible as a couple. There are times that some men and women are simply not good together, they just don't work. I wish to avoid any problems that might come about because of conflicting personalities and mindsets.

Ralph here. What is your name? I am uncomfortable calling by any name other than the one God gave you at birth.
I can certainly say those lyrics but words are nothing without devotion and follow through. Jesus tells us so.
John 5:19
Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
John 5:30
I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

If you want to write in your spare time, I am fine with that. It is good to have distractions once all your chores are done. I like to play Bible games where we sit around and tell a story and the other person guesses what chapter best illustrates it. My mom loves to sew and she made the leather seats for dads G550. It took her three years as she had to do it by hand and dad is a stickler.

My goal is to live my life exactly as God wants me to. So when ever I have a question, I turn to the Bible for the answer. I guess being a teen is why I do not like all the answers God gives to me but who am I to question Him. He is God and I am just Ralph.

My personal goals is to have a large family, giving dad a bus load of grand kids. To achieve this, I have been working since I was 10 and I was made a partner in the HCS, LLC when I turned 14 once I had the requisite $100K associate partners buy in. At 16 I had earned enough to be a full partner. My goal is to buy a chain of Chick-A-Fil restaurants and have my sons manage them. I am not the farmer Dad is, I like the food service industry.
James 2:14-17
14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

Matthew 25:31-40
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me

Well, I have to go. I need to count today's reciepts and speak to some debtors.
Ralph

[James Hutchins]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

James Hutchins a little help here, Sister Mary, please.
Some here are resorting to baseless insults, again.
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I am not sure what more you want me to do.
I had the infraction removed, I had my boy read about you and spend sometime out of his busy schedule on you. He will have to stay up an extra half hour tonight to get caught up.
Ralph is quite the catch as you can see. However, a man is only part of a family, certainly the most significant part but he is not the 'be all to end all'.
As his dad, I have to know that you will do your wifely responsibilities. Ralph is a traditional boy, with traditional values. He treasures stability, focus and Godly responsibility. He believes in pulling his weight and expects a wife to do the same according to the simple rules God has laid out in the Bible. Going to Heaven is very important to Ralph. My boy opened up to you, I hope you will do the same in kind. I have to also ask and will need confirmation of, your fathermother having the requisite fifty shekels. Does she have a Dunn & Bradstreet?
YIC
JH

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

Oh no! I am to be ignored by a lippy woman who can't handle God's true word expressed freely and without sugar coating. Whatever shall I do?

Stick your fingers in your ear all you like; the simple truth that in God's eyes you are the property of whatever man rightly owns you to be disposed of at his whim will still follow you, regardless. Twist and jive around your favourite bits of scripture that fit your modern-day romantic preferences all you want, the simple truth that your sex were created to be servants and to bear children is still there for all with ears to hear.

How foolish and naive you look railing at your elders who know better.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

James Hutchins a little help here, Sister Mary, please.
Some here are resorting to baseless insults, again.

Well dear, you can't be surprised to see men reacting when insulted... publicly... by a female! I mean, it's rather unheard of among True Christians™. But I think you're doing just fine in spite of turning friendly people away. Just stop dodging the questions, otherwise we can't really get to know the real you.

[StarDreamerNight]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

I am not sure what more you want me to do.
I had the infraction removed, I had my boy read about you and spend sometime out of his busy schedule on you. He will have to stay up an extra half hour tonight to get caught up.
Ralph is quite the catch as you can see. However, a man is only part of a family, certainly the most significant part but he is not the 'be all to end all'.
As his dad, I have to know that you will do your wifely responsibilities. Ralph is a traditional boy, with traditional values. He treasures stability, focus and Godly responsibility. He believes in pulling his weight and expects a wife to do the same according to the simple rules God has laid out in the Bible. Going to Heaven is very important to Ralph. My boy opened up to you, I hope you will do the same in kind. I have to also ask and will need confirmation of, your fathermother having the requisite fifty shekels. Does she have a Dunn & Bradstreet?
YIC
JH

Well I mean the petty insults and attack on my character

My name is Ashley, and might I ask what part of the USA you both live? Long distance would cause problems with even considering this.
From what I have seen you do have a very good son, I cannot help but admit I am impressed. From his post he seems to have a level of character many do not, even on this site. He spoke respectfully, helpful even to the point of perhaps giving more information then he needed too.
I will open up to him though I have to leave soon so my post of opening up will need to wait for tomorrow. I am more then happy to share responsibilities of marriage, family, and house. As in while I will be taking care of the house and family he will help with such, like for example taking out the garbage and helping with the kids.
It's 50 fifty shekels like 15 dollars, and she doesn't? -smiles in amusement-
To be honest I want one with traditional values as well though I wonder if your son counts how to be a gentleman when it comes to being traditional? Also while your son showed he was fine with me writing I wish to know how you and your son view reading books other then the Bible, take for example the reading of books of the fantasy genre.
Also just to let you and your son know, I am the sort that would wish to get to know a potential spouse by going on dates and such. Like dinners, picnics, and such.
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Also, because Redeemed Papist is so adamant about it would your son see me and treat me as nothing more the a servent to bear him lot of children? I would hope marriage and his wife would mean more then that to him.

[StarDreamerNight]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

Well dear, you can't be surprised to see men reacting when insulted... publicly... by a female! I mean, it's rather unheard of among True Christians™. But I think you're doing just fine in spite of turning friendly people away. Just stop dodging the questions, otherwise we can't really get to know the real you.

What questions am I dodging? Particularly ones that would cause people to call me a whore and worse, as you said yourself before Brother Hutchins spoke to you, a lesbian.
Also there have been those that are not friendly, that on the get go say I am nothing but cattle and property, that women are stupid and need not as good as men. Even though there is can be truth in that I would never marry a man that has such an attitude, as it is insulting. Which is why I have come in conflict to some here.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

What questions am I dodging? Particularly ones that would cause people to call me a whore and worse, as you said yourself before Brother Hutchins spoke to you, a lesbian.
Also there have been those that are not fyouriendly, that on the get go say I am nothing but cattle and property, that women are stupid and need not as good as men. Even though there is can be truth in that I would never marry a man that has such an attitude, as it is insulting. Which is why I have come in conflict to some here.

You're dodging simple questions like what did God mean when He specifically and directly rebukes Eve and tells her she is to have an utterly subservient role and it's all her fault they are to be cast out of Eden. You just fudge it over and over again. I want to see you spin that one again.

Genesis 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

Why did God punish Eve?

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

What questions am I dodging?

Well dear, here are a couple I've wondered when you'll get to:

What is it that you find "vile" and "evil" about God's Word?

Friend, why are you having trouble understanding that women are the propert of men according to what the Word of God says?

Perhaps these gentlemen will be so kind as to repeat their questions for you if you'd like.

[James Hutchins]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

Well I mean the petty insults and attack on my character

My name is Ashley, and might I ask what part of the USA you both live? Long distance would cause problems with even considering this.
From what I have seen you do have a very good son, I cannot help but admit I am impressed. From his post he seems to have a level of character many do not, even on this site. He spoke respectfully, helpful even to the point of perhaps giving more information then he needed too.
I will open up to him though I have to leave soon so my post of opening up will need to wait for tomorrow. I am more then happy to share responsibilities of marriage, family, and house. As in while I will be taking care of the house and family he will help with such, like for example taking out the garbage and helping with the kids.
It's 50 fifty shekels like 15 dollars, and she doesn't? -smiles in amusement-
To be honest I want one with traditional values as well though I wonder if your son counts how to be a gentleman when it comes to being traditional? Also while your son showed he was fine with me writing I wish to know how you and your son view reading books other then the Bible, take for example the reading of books of the fantasy genre.
Also just to let you and your son know, I am the sort that would wish to get to know a potential spouse by going on dates and such. Like dinners, picnics, and such.
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Also, because Redeemed Papist is so adamant about it would your son see me and treat me as nothing more the a servent to bear him lot of children? I would hope marriage and his wife would mean more then that to him.

Well Ashley, I can only do so much. You have to have a backbone of your own. If you think someone makes a comment you do not like, perhaps you need to respond with information to the contray, ideally using Gods Word(c). You really cannot find a fault if God backs you.

I will of course, monitor the conversations you and my son have.
Ralph does not read 'fantasy' books. He only has time for reality. He reads "Graham & Dodd", "Micromanaging for Success", "Independant Chain Resturant Owner", the "WSJ", "Barrons" and a few other publications. He reads the Bible for an hour every day at a minimum.

Fifty Shekels are fifty silver coins as used when Jesus was blessed with life. It is not a 'giggling matter'. At the Hutchins house, God is what gives our life meaning. It is by His grace that we are still alive each day. I am not sure how you see it as 'funny'.
Psalm 37:13
The Lord shall laugh at him: for he seeth that his day is coming.
Ephesians 5:4
Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.

If you would like to make my son and I a nice dinner or a picnic basket, we can arrange to meet you. All interactions will be chaparoned. Travel is not a problem being I have a G550 and a Bell JetRanger. The Hutchins Home is halfway between Lynchburg and Waltons Mountain off of Rt 29 though Ralph has his eye on City life in Charlotte or Winchester. Where are you located?

[Rev. Edward Clement]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

What questions am I dodging?

Originally Posted by Rev. Edward Clement
Friend, why are you having trouble understanding that women are the property of men according to what the Word of God says?

As has been pointed out numerous times, that is the very state of the woman according to the scripture.

1 Corinthians
11:9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.
11:10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.

The power on the woman's head is the authority and ownership of a male figure. To further demonstrate tha the women are property, take as an example here where a census was taken and the women did not count.

Numbers
1:2 Take ye the sum of all the congregation of the children of Israel, after their families, by the house of their fathers, with the number of their names, every male by their polls;

Moreover, you are providing an example of a haughty woman of which with the Lord will not put.

Isaiah
3:16Moreover the LORD saith, Because the daughters of Zion are haughty, and walk with stretched forth necks and wanton eyes, walking and mincing as they go, and making a tinkling with their feet:
3:17 Therefore the LORD will smite with a scab the crown of the head of the daughters of Zion, and the LORD will discover their secret parts.
3:18 In that day the Lord will take away the bravery of their tinkling ornaments about their feet, and their cauls, and their round tires like the moon,
3:19 The chains, and the bracelets, and the mufflers,
3:20 The bonnets, and the ornaments of the legs, and the headbands, and the tablets, and the earrings,
3:21 The rings, and nose jewels,
3:22 The changeable suits of apparel, and the mantles, and the wimples, and the crisping pins,
3:23 The glasses, and the fine linen, and the hoods, and the vails.
3:24 And it shall come to pass, that instead of sweet smell there shall be stink; and instead of a girdle a rent; and instead of well set hair baldness; and instead of a stomacher a girding of sackcloth; and burning instead of beauty.
3:25 Thy men shall fall by the sword, and thy mighty in the war. 3:26 And her gates shall lament and mourn; and she being desolate shall sit upon the ground.

Another example of women as property is the fact that women were considered to also be the spoils of war.

Isaiah
5:30 Have they not sped? have they not divided the prey; to every man a damsel or two; to Sisera a prey of divers colours, a prey of divers colours of needlework, of divers colours of needlework on both sides, meet for the necks of them that take the spoil?

So I will ask you once more:

Originally Posted by Rev. Edward Clement
Friend, why are you having trouble understanding that women are the property of men according to what the Word of God says?

Apparenty, you think that you sit on a throne, but much like Esther, the Lord has not permitted a woman to sit on the throne of disobedience. You are the property of men. Esther was removed from her throne for disobedience.

(Esther 1:1-22) (Esther 2:1-23)

[StarDreamerNight]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

God clearly punished both Adam and Eve, as they were both equally at fault. On the rest I simply see it is as a waste of time to discuss the subject more on women being subservient to men, especially with you Redeemed Papist.


I already answered that question Mary, I explained that Dr. Ernest C. Ville misunderstood what I was saying. I was not saying anything in the Bible was vile and evil but the horrible things you and others were calling me and my mother. Which reminds me, Sister Mary you never apologized for insulting my mother.


The problem is there are scriptures that show women are not property and that they are men' companions one with God himself speaking, and that one must consider the time period in which the Old Testament is in. Many laws back then were as they were because of the culture and political structure. Also remember I look to how Jesus Christ treats women, and he never treated women as lesser then he was. Jesus Christ treated women as people, as those of great worth. That is why this is such a serious subject for me, yet one that it seems I need to avoid so as to prevent conflict.
I'm sorry but I will always look to how Jesus Christ treated women in the New Testament before the misguided views of many of the men here. As the Son of God is a far better man then any here could ever be. I do not mean this in offense but this is how I will believe. The Bible is right and Jesus Christ is the greatest good.


Also Rev. Edward Clement you are wrong, I do not believe I am on a throne nor that I am better then men. Also you are wrong, Esther was not removed from her throne or unless you mean to suggest Esther was above the king Ahasuerus as she never was. Yet she was put by God into a position of great power and influence, particularly when it came to influencing her husband. More so though Esther is an example of one with the truest of faith, who not only herself pray but got all of her people to pray so that she would be able to safely face her husband without death so she be able to bring about the means to save her people. The Book of Esther also shows how a woman can be both brave and intellegent.
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I plan on using many scriptures on my next post, though at the moment I do not have the times to find the scriptures and copy them onto my post. Would he have problems with his wife reading such as long as she gets her chores done and continues to read the Bible? Myself I read the Bible around twice a day between 30 to an hour for each thus anywhere to a hour to two hours at least. Sorry I simply looked up how much fifty shekels and found it amusing that it seems that it would only a little under $ 15. Better then finding it insulting that a women isn't worth more correct? If it is not a little under $15 as I found how much would fifty shekels be in US dollars?


Actually I was talking about going out to eat, as in your son treating me to dinner and then the next day I would treat you son to dinner. I have the policy not to require the men pay for dinner unlike some men and women but instead switch off who pays for it. If you and you son would like me to make dinner or put together a picnic basket but I would hope your son would take me out some days. It would understandably be a double date, either with you and your wife being the second pair or one of your son's friend and his date. I never go on a date alone, it isn't safe either physically or spiritually. On actually meeting you and your son I will need to speak to my mother and spend time in prayer as you and your son are a fair distance from Utah. Yes I know Utah is the mormon state.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

What are you, a hippie?

[Alphonse Alban]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

On the rest I simply see it is as a waste of time to discuss the subject more on women being subservient to men

I agree, it's totally waste of time as God is very clear about it.

Ephesians 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

So why did God punish Eve? What did she do wrong? Why does the Bible clearly state it was Eve who was in the transgression?

You're wriggling because you don't like the obvious answer.

You don't like it because the Bible doesn't back up your secularism. Your modern day romantic ideals simply don't stack up no matter how much you try to spin it against the bits of the Bible you don't like.

Read the story of Job. Why does God dispose of all Job's possessions and count his wife and children among them?

You're in denial which is why you arrogantly come to our place and presume to lecture us on God when you're making Him up to suit yourself and cherry picking and twisting scripture.

Women are over and over shown to be property and subjects of little note in Biblical morality. So you are superimposing secular values onto Christianity. Your values are your own, not God's.