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God lifts up the righteous only.
Ps 75: All the horns of the wicked also will I cut off; but the horns of the righteous shall be exalted.
Exalted means lifted up. But God brings low all sinners.
Ps 106:43 Many times did he deliver them; but they provoked him with their counsel, and were brought low for their iniquity.
It is up to God whether to lift someone up or bring them low.
1 Sam 2:7 The Lord maketh poor, and maketh rich: he bringeth low, and lifteth up.
Well, no, Jesus didn't mention muslims by name; islam hadn't been invented yet. But He did clearly say that many of the joos in His day would go to hell because they rejected Him.
Mat 12:38-42
38 Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee.
39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
41 The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.
42 The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here.
When Jesus sent out the twelve, He told them to preach only to the joos.
Mat 10:5-6
5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Jesus condemned those joos who would reject His disciples' message even before He sent them out.
Mat 10:14-15
14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.
15 Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.
Today the joos still reject Jesus as Messaiah, so these passages still stand.
People don't choose Jesus. Jesus chooses them.
Jn 15:16a Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain.
The following passage sheds light on almost every issue you raise here.
Rev 20:10-15
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Yes, God is against satan. He will punish him with eternal torment in the lake of fire (v 10). He will also cast all those who were not chosen, those whose names were not in the Book of Life, into the same lake of fire (v 15). When you say hell is satan's dwelling place, you make it sound as if it's his home. That's not the image the Bible paints. The earth is satan's home (Job 1:7, Jn 14:30, Rev 20:7-8).
Yes, God is a judge (v 12a, 13b). No, He is not a dictator; He is a king (v 11 speaks of a throne). Yes, God will hear evidence of people's works from books (v 12), but He will base His decision on whether someone's name is written in the Book of Life (V 15). He'll go by what the books say; He won't use His head. There is no mention of Him questioning anyone.
People of other religions will go to hell. Jesus makes it very clear that He alone is the only way to God and, ultimately, heaven.
Jn 14:2-6
2 In my Father's house [heaven] are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.
5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Really? Do tell.
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God.
This passage presents no problem for us. It's saying that saving faith does not come from within a person (it is "not of yourselves"). It is a gift from God in His grace. If someone doesn't believe, it's because God has decided not to show them grace and withheld the gift of faith from them (see also Jn 10:26). It is His gift to give to whomever He chooses.
Here you're getting into the whole God-loves-the-sinner-but-hates-the-sin argument. People have already brought up passages about God hating specific people. I will only add that it is important to remember that people sin because they are sinners.
Mat 15:19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies.
You seem to have a poor understanding of the Bible, and yet you seem to have based a lot of your beliefs on what you think the Bible says. Is that any way to live your life? You should stop living by what you think or what you imagine and start living by the facts.
Originally posted by RandomColoradan
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Ps 75: All the horns of the wicked also will I cut off; but the horns of the righteous shall be exalted.
Exalted means lifted up. But God brings low all sinners.
Ps 106:43 Many times did he deliver them; but they provoked him with their counsel, and were brought low for their iniquity.
It is up to God whether to lift someone up or bring them low.
1 Sam 2:7 The Lord maketh poor, and maketh rich: he bringeth low, and lifteth up.
Jesus never said the jews were going to hell, or the muslims.
Mat 12:38-42
38 Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee.
39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
41 The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.
42 The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here.
When Jesus sent out the twelve, He told them to preach only to the joos.
Mat 10:5-6
5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Jesus condemned those joos who would reject His disciples' message even before He sent them out.
Mat 10:14-15
14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.
15 Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.
Today the joos still reject Jesus as Messaiah, so these passages still stand.
If you want people to choose jesus you must set by example, and Love, and Patience as he does.
Jn 15:16a Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain.
And, furthermore: Why would God, Who is clearly against satan, send his beloved creation to his dwelling place? He wouldn't: People choose hell in their addiction to sin: Murderers, Rapists, satanics, and Luciferians go to hell: Not a person who simply has another Religion. God is a Judge: he uses his head: He isn't a dictator. He'll use evidence, and he'll question the defendant.
Rev 20:10-15
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Yes, God is against satan. He will punish him with eternal torment in the lake of fire (v 10). He will also cast all those who were not chosen, those whose names were not in the Book of Life, into the same lake of fire (v 15). When you say hell is satan's dwelling place, you make it sound as if it's his home. That's not the image the Bible paints. The earth is satan's home (Job 1:7, Jn 14:30, Rev 20:7-8).
Yes, God is a judge (v 12a, 13b). No, He is not a dictator; He is a king (v 11 speaks of a throne). Yes, God will hear evidence of people's works from books (v 12), but He will base His decision on whether someone's name is written in the Book of Life (V 15). He'll go by what the books say; He won't use His head. There is no mention of Him questioning anyone.
People of other religions will go to hell. Jesus makes it very clear that He alone is the only way to God and, ultimately, heaven.
Jn 14:2-6
2 In my Father's house [heaven] are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.
5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Originally posted by RandomColoradan
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What about ephesians? Saved by Grace?
This passage presents no problem for us. It's saying that saving faith does not come from within a person (it is "not of yourselves"). It is a gift from God in His grace. If someone doesn't believe, it's because God has decided not to show them grace and withheld the gift of faith from them (see also Jn 10:26). It is His gift to give to whomever He chooses.
And all those God hated were of evil dissention: Their souls he didn't hate: The devious deeds, and devilish acts he hated: but he loves Humanity.
Mat 15:19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies.
You seem to have a poor understanding of the Bible, and yet you seem to have based a lot of your beliefs on what you think the Bible says. Is that any way to live your life? You should stop living by what you think or what you imagine and start living by the facts.
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