Woe to me, a liberal false Christian space cadet!

[OldJamaica]

I registered on this ite , for one reason and one reason only.

Im a born again Christian , who believes Jesus Christ is the way , the truth and the life. I am saved BY Jesus Christ , not of myself.

I was discussing with a friend how the religion of islam and christianity do not share the same god , and i googled " what is in the kaa'ba at mecca.
One of the results pointed to here saying that the kaa'ba should be destroyed , so out of curiosity , I clicked , and what I am met with absolutely HORRIFIES me!!!

First of all , there is a picture of a smiling Jesus saying"lets head over to the lookout spot and watch your friends and family burn in hell "

I dont know what bible you are reading , but my bible tells me God SO LOVED the world............that He gave His only begotten son , that whoever believes on Him would not perish , but receive everlasting life "

SO LOVED. SOOOOOOOOO loved
Have you ever soooooooooooo loved anyone ?

Do you find it acceptable that God would make a "lookout spot" where those in heaven could watch the people that He sooooooooooo loved , burning , as if it was a spectator sport ???
I find this disgusting.

Next , I noticed the church motto

" where the worthwhile worship. Unsaved unwelcome "

I am shocked at the self-righteousness on display. Absolutely shocked to the core !!
You have this idea that because you are saved ( apparently......even though I see zero evidence of the fruit of the Spirit.....love , joy , peace , patience , temperance , meekness , humility etc...) in this place , that you can now treat other people , who are now , as YOU once were , as if they are scum !!
The Great Commission , given by Jesus Christ , was given to go into all the world and tell people that they need to be born again , yet you say " unsaved UNWELCOME "

How dare you !!!

You will say " God will not use a dirty vessel "

Well , I have news for you. God has no other kind of vessel to work with , because " ALL ( see that word ALL....that means you ).....ALL HAVE SINNED and come short of the glory of God "

How dare you set yourself up as some kind of elite " Gods favourite " club.

You were once unsaved , or , maybe you were born perfect ??
Someone once went to you with the truth , which you seem to have warped into your own version , of doing stuff for God to get brownie points.

NO !!

" It is the GIFT of God , lest any man should boast "

If you're going to boast , boast in the grace of God. Boast in the saving power of Jesus Christ to rescue you out of the sin of self-righteousness , otherwise you are just wasting your time , because you're no better than the pharisees , who did this perfectly , who did that perfectly , but did not know God , who is love.

Seriously. I am a bible-believing Christian , and the sight of this forum made me sick. Sick with revulsion. sick with shame , sick with empathy for the number of unsaved people who may have inadvertently ended up here just as I did , and seen NO LOVE , which is the most important thing.

"these three things abide...faith , hope and charity ( love) , and the greatest of these is charity. "

Maybe you should read the book of James.
It clearly tells us that if you keep the WHOLE law , yet offend in just one point , you are guilty of ALL.
Does God toss you in the garbage just because you missed it ??
would any of you who have children , toss them in the garbage , just because they missed it.

Consider this a rebuke from God , to the leaders of this Church who have exalted themselves far above their station.

"If you have not love , you are but a clanging cymbal "

The meek shall inherit the earth , not the proud. God exalts the humble and casts down the proud , just as lucifer was cast down for exalting himself

Love thy neighbour , not shun them , or exile them , because God loves them , just as He loves you. Just as much , and The Father yearns for them to call Him God , and for them to be His people , just as the gentiles were once outside the camp , but God extended His embrace to all.

There is NO-ONE here worthwhile. Not one.

All our righteousnesses are as filthy rags. There is none worthy , no , not one.

Boast in the free grace of God , and in His Son Jesus Christ , not your own ability to keep the sabbath , or baptise , or pray 3 times a day , or study the bibel.

Boast in the goodness and the grace of God , for you are no better than Pharisees otherwise.

Shame on you for this sickening shame of a site. Shame on you.

[Mark L. Snyde, PhD]

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I...u.

Here is where you introduce yourself. Tell us what church you go to and what your favorite Bible verse is and how you came to find Jesus.

I didn't read most of your thesis, but...how dare you come here and try to tell us that our following of God's Word to the letter is wrong. You have been led astray and are hellbound. Won't you cast aside these abominable thoughts you have regarding God and get right with Him?

[Mary Etheldreda]

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First of all , there is a picture of a smiling Jesus saying"lets head over to the lookout spot and watch your friends and family burn in hell "

I dont know what bible you are reading , but my bible tells me God SO LOVED the world............that He gave His only begotten son , that whoever believes on Him would not perish , but receive everlasting life "

SO LOVED. SOOOOOOOOO loved
Have you ever soooooooooooo loved anyone ?

Do you find it acceptable that God would make a "lookout spot" where those in heaven could watch the people that He sooooooooooo loved , burning , as if it was a spectator sport ???
I find this disgusting.

Hello, and welcome to our forums! I'm a bit confused, though, as you seem to love the Lord Jesus as much as I, and yet you would accuse Him of being a Big, Fat, Lying Bastard (Psalms 2:4). This grieves me deeply in my Spirit! How could someone who knows Jesus not trust Him to be Truthful (Psalm 119:160)? How could someone who knows Jesus be suspicious of His Faithfulness (Psalm 100:4-5)? Oh, it is just too terrible to think!

Next , I noticed the church motto

" where the worthwhile worship. Unsaved unwelcome "

I am shocked at the self-righteousness on display. Absolutely shocked to the core !!
You have this idea that because you are saved ( apparently......even though I see zero evidence of the fruit of the Spirit.....love , joy , peace , patience , temperance , meekness , humility etc...) in this place , that you can now treat other people , who are now , as YOU once were , as if they are scum !!
The Great Commission , given by Jesus Christ , was given to go into all the world and tell people that they need to be born again , yet you say " unsaved UNWELCOME "

How dare you !!!

You will say " God will not use a dirty vessel "

You are so mistaken, friend. I wonder who it was who guided you in your faith formation, for this was a liar and a thief of the spirit. You have been duped by a wolf in sheep's clothing. There is nothing we don't do that is contrary to the commands of the LORD Himself (James 2:10).

Well , I have news for you. God has no other kind of vessel to work with , because " ALL ( see that word ALL....that means you ).....ALL HAVE SINNED and come short of the glory of God "

Yes! Praise God! I WAS a sinner, I DID come short of the glory of God! I admit it, I was horrible and spiritually disfigured and disgusting and worthless and terrible and spiritually ugly and of no redeeming value and offensive and horrifying and spiritually malodorous and gross and repellent and embarrassing and objectionable and hideous and nauseating and revolting and all the things that upset and disgusted God so much He killed Himself for Three Whole Days! But here's the Good News, friend! Now I have been Saved! I am a new creature (2 Corinthians 5:17), a perfect creature! I, like all True Christians™, are PERFECT!

If you're going to boast , boast in the grace of God. Boast in the saving power of Jesus Christ to rescue you out of the sin of self-righteousness ...

Then why complain when we boast that Christ rescued us out of sin?

Consider this a rebuke from God , to the leaders of this Church who have exalted themselves far above their station.

Rebuke? Son, this sounds more like a temper tantrum.

"If you have not love , you are but a clanging cymbal ".

Oh, but we do. We follow Jesus' command to love our neighbors, and we take this command very seriously.

[Alphonse Alban]

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Do you find it acceptable that God would make a "lookout spot" where those in heaven could watch the people that He sooooooooooo loved , burning , as if it was a spectator sport ???

Yes. All who believe in the Bible knows that God likes to laugh at the suffering of heathens. Every Bible believing Christian also knows that people are also tormented in front of Jesus. I guess He didn't love those people sooooooooo much.

Psalm 2:4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.

Psalm 59:8 But thou, O Lord, shalt laugh at them; thou shalt have all the heathen in derision.

Revelation 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: Woe to you , Pharisees !!!

I registered on this ite , for one reason and one reason only.

Im a born again Christian , who believes Jesus Christ is the way , the truth and the life. I am saved BY Jesus Christ , not of myself.

I was discussing with a friend how the religion of islam and christianity do not share the same god , and i googled " what is in the kaa'ba at mecca.
One of the results pointed to here saying that the kaa'ba should be destroyed , so out of curiosity , I clicked , and what I am met with absolutely HORRIFIES me!!!

First of all , there is a picture of a smiling Jesus saying"lets head over to the lookout spot and watch your friends and family burn in hell "

I dont know what bible you are reading , but my bible tells me God SO LOVED the world............that He gave His only begotten son , that whoever believes on Him would not perish , but receive everlasting life "

SO LOVED. SOOOOOOOOO loved
Have you ever soooooooooooo loved anyone ?

Do you find it acceptable that God would make a "lookout spot" where those in heaven could watch the people that He sooooooooooo loved , burning , as if it was a spectator sport ???
I find this disgusting.

You should have kept reading for all of two more verses:

[John 3:18 KJV] 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

God so loved the world, yes, but those who reject His love will burn in hell. If you find this disgusting, then you find the whole Christian plan of salvation disgusting.

Next , I noticed the church motto

" where the worthwhile worship. Unsaved unwelcome "

I am shocked at the self-righteousness on display. Absolutely shocked to the core !!
You have this idea that because you are saved ( apparently......even though I see zero evidence of the fruit of the Spirit.....love , joy , peace , patience , temperance , meekness , humility etc...) in this place , that you can now treat other people , who are now , as YOU once were , as if they are scum !!
The Great Commission , given by Jesus Christ , was given to go into all the world and tell people that they need to be born again , yet you say " unsaved UNWELCOME "

How dare you !!!

The Great Commission is to go into all the world. That is, it is to go out, not gather the unsaved in.

[Mark 16:15 KJV] 15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

Read more here.

You will say " God will not use a dirty vessel "

Well , I have news for you. God has no other kind of vessel to work with , because " ALL ( see that word ALL....that means you ).....ALL HAVE SINNED and come short of the glory of God "

How dare you set yourself up as some kind of elite " Gods favourite " club.

You were once unsaved , or , maybe you were born perfect ??
Someone once went to you with the truth , which you seem to have warped into your own version , of doing stuff for God to get brownie points.

NO !!

" It is the GIFT of God , lest any man should boast "

If you're going to boast , boast in the grace of God. Boast in the saving power of Jesus Christ to rescue you out of the sin of self-righteousness , otherwise you are just wasting your time , because you're no better than the pharisees , who did this perfectly , who did that perfectly , but did not know God , who is love.

Seriously. I am a bible-believing Christian , and the sight of this forum made me sick. Sick with revulsion. sick with shame , sick with empathy for the number of unsaved people who may have inadvertently ended up here just as I did , and seen NO LOVE , which is the most important thing.

"these three things abide...faith , hope and charity ( love) , and the greatest of these is charity. "

Maybe you should read the book of James.
It clearly tells us that if you keep the WHOLE law , yet offend in just one point , you are guilty of ALL.
Does God toss you in the garbage just because you missed it ??
would any of you who have children , toss them in the garbage , just because they missed it.

Consider this a rebuke from God , to the leaders of this Church who have exalted themselves far above their station.

"If you have not love , you are but a clanging cymbal "

The meek shall inherit the earth , not the proud. God exalts the humble and casts down the proud , just as lucifer was cast down for exalting himself

Love thy neighbour , not shun them , or exile them , because God loves them , just as He loves you. Just as much , and The Father yearns for them to call Him God , and for them to be His people , just as the gentiles were once outside the camp , but God extended His embrace to all.

There is NO-ONE here worthwhile. Not one.

All our righteousnesses are as filthy rags. There is none worthy , no , not one.

Boast in the free grace of God , and in His Son Jesus Christ , not your own ability to keep the sabbath , or baptise , or pray 3 times a day , or study the bibel.

Boast in the goodness and the grace of God , for you are no better than Pharisees otherwise.

Shame on you for this sickening shame of a site. Shame on you.

Those of us who are saved don't sin:

[1 John 3:6 KJV] 6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

[1 John 5:18 KJV] 18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

Yes, all have sinned, but verbs have tenses and aspects for a reason.

As for love, we have enough love for people that we warn them away from the broad road to hell. First you tell us to follow the Great Commission, and then you tell us what bad people we are for doing just that. Make up your mind already.

[OldJamaica]

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You should have kept reading for all of two more verses:

[John 3:18 KJV] 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

because they are condemned within themselves , by their own choice.
Do you think God has any pleasure in this ??

There is not one iota of love here. Not one , and when it comes down to brass tacks , that is all that matters.

These three things abide. Faith , hope , and love , but the greatest of these is love.

How dare you infer that I am not saved because I call you out.
This place is a nest of vipers. Can you remember who else Christ said that to ?
It wasn't the romans who were Christs biggest enemies. It was the pharisees. They too didn't recognise that their bigoted , self-righteous , mutation that they called " the way" was actually an enemy of Christ.

I've seen threads here advocating beating women. How is that love ?

By this....BY THIS , shall all men know that you are my disciples , if you have LOVE one for another.
You are not the disciples of Christ.
By its fruit is a tree known. The fruit of the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ is not evident here. I suggest you go and get saved properly , and stop trying to save yourself by works , and boasting in your own righteousness.

It is the gift of God , not of yourself , lest any man should boast.

[Alphonse Alban]

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How dare you infer that I am not saved because I call you out.

Because you are cherry picking the Bible to your selfish needs. Anyone who does not know the full word of God is not a Christian. We called out your lies and you got angry. That says it all.

[Didymus Much]

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...How dare you infer that I am not saved because I call you out...
...It is the gift of God , not of yourself , lest any man should boast.

Hypocrite.

[Basilissa]

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because they are condemned within themselves , by their own choice.
Do you think God has any pleasure in this ??

Gee, I don't know. If He didn't, maybe He would have bent the rule a little bit, to allow people who died without ever hearing about Jesus and therefore having a chance to become Christian?

... Yet He didn't.

By this....BY THIS , shall all men know that you are my disciples , if you have LOVE one for another.

ONE ANOTHER. Exactly. As for the heathens, Jesus said:

Luke 19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

Why don't you read the Bible, really read it, all of it, not just bookmark a few selected verses?

[Wide-Open]

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Consider this a rebuke from God

You pompous little sod! How DARE you to impersonate the Almighty . Seriously!

We know the Bible. ALL of it. You don't. End of story.

[Witch Hammer]

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First of all , there is a picture of a smiling Jesus saying"lets head over to the lookout spot and watch your friends and family burn in hell "

Matthew 5:10-12

What greater reward could be given to a True Christian™ in Heaven than to be allowed to view the writhings and thrashings, weeping and gnashing of teeth of those who had reviled, tormented and persecuted us in life? We deserve to see their sins come around full-circle and stab them in the ass, don't you think?

How can we possibly gauge the worth of our reward, and be able to truly enjoy the fruits of Heaven, without knowing what the severity of our punishment could have been? I personally will enjoy watching you, from my plush seat on high, caught like a fish on hook upon satan's barbed, magma-spewing pud. Just one of the many fringe benefits of being Saved®.

[OldJamaica]

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Gee, I don't know. If He didn't, maybe He would have bent the rule a little bit, to allow people who died without ever hearing about Jesus and therefore having a chance to become Christian?

... Yet He didn't.




ONE ANOTHER. Exactly. As for the heathens, Jesus said:

Luke 19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

Why don't you read the Bible, really read it, all of it, not just bookmark a few selected verses?

ah right. we're only supposed to love christians ?

explain this then...

Romans 13:8-10

21st Century King James Version (KJ21)

8 Owe no man anything, but to love one another, for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9 For this, “Thou shalt not commit adultery,” “Thou shalt not kill,” “Thou shalt not steal,” “Thou shalt not bear false witness,” “Thou shalt not covet,” and if there be any other commandment, all are briefly comprehended in this saying, namely: “Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.”
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.


notice that it doesnt say just christians.


I'm just gonna keep hittin you guys with the love thing because you may know ABOUT God , but I KNOW God. I know His character , and I know that most of what is here , is NOT representing God.
Just like when James and John wanted to call down lightning , and Jesus witheld them and said " You know not what manner of spirit you are of "


and how dare you label me as unsaved trash !!

I am born again , spirit filled. Jesus Christ is not only the Lord of Lords and King of Kings , but He is my Lord , and He is God. No-one can say that unless they have the Spirit of Christ.
Even if you call your brother "rafa" you are in danger of hellfire within yourself , how much moreso are you in danger by calling what God has cleansed , an "unclean" thing ?



You may know the bible , but I know the author , and that is vitally more important.

[OldJamaica]

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Matthew 5:10-12

What greater reward could be given to a True Christian™ in Heaven than to be allowed to view the writhings and thrashings, weeping and gnashing of teeth of those who had reviled, tormented and persecuted us in life? We deserve to see their sins come around full-circle and stab them in the ass, don't you think?

How can we possibly gauge the worth of our reward, and be able to truly enjoy the fruits of Heaven, without knowing what the severity of our punishment could have been? I personally will enjoy watching you, from my plush seat on high, caught like a fish on hook upon satan's barbed, magma-spewing pud. Just one of the many fringe benefits of being Saved®.

No !
I dont think that at all.
We are called to "love our enemies" , to pray for them
If I rejoice over them burning , it shows that I never loved them to start with.
If Jesus said " Father , forgive them , for they know not what they do" when He was on the cross , do you really think it was only skin deep ? Is that love only supposed to be skin deep , then when we get to heaven we can jump up and down and say " yay !!! there they are being burned...i feel so happy cos i never liked them anyway !! "

The gospel...the good news of Jesus Christ is supposed to be a good thing.
when the angel appeared to Mary , he said " Mary , be not afraid , peace and GOOD WILL TOWARD MEN "

good will.

all i see here is hatred. hatred of me , hatred of women , hatred of truth.

[Witch Hammer]

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You take God's word out of context, filthy serpent! You are just the latest of satan's lap dogs to strut through these Holy forums leaving a stench of hopelessness, despair and anal sex in your wake! Get thee hence, demon, and trouble us no more!

ah right. we're only supposed to love christians ?

explain this then...

Romans 13:8-10

21st Century King James Version (KJ21)

8 Owe no man anything, but to love one another, for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9 For this, “Thou shalt not commit adultery,” “Thou shalt not kill,” “Thou shalt not steal,” “Thou shalt not bear false witness,” “Thou shalt not covet,” and if there be any other commandment, all are briefly comprehended in this saying, namely: “Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.”
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.


notice that it doesnt say just christians.


I'm just gonna keep hittin you guys with the love thing because you may know ABOUT God , but I KNOW God. I know His character , and I know that most of what is here , is NOT representing God.
Just like when James and John wanted to call down lightning , and Jesus witheld them and said " You know not what manner of spirit you are of "


and how dare you label me as unsaved trash !!

I am born again , spirit filled. Jesus Christ is not only the Lord of Lords and King of Kings , but He is my Lord , and He is God. No-one can say that unless they have the Spirit of Christ.
Even if you call your brother "rafa" you are in danger of hellfire within yourself , how much moreso are you in danger by calling what God has cleansed , an "unclean" thing ?



You may know the bible , but I know the author , and that is vitally more important.

[Basilissa]

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ah right. we're only supposed to love christians ?

explain this then...

Romans 13:8-10

21st Century King James Version (KJ21)

8 Owe no man anything, but to love one another, for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9 For this, “Thou shalt not commit adultery,” “Thou shalt not kill,” “Thou shalt not steal,” “Thou shalt not bear false witness,” “Thou shalt not covet,” and if there be any other commandment, all are briefly comprehended in this saying, namely: “Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.”
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

notice that it doesnt say just christians.

Note that it says love of the neighbor. last I checked, my neigbnors were Christians.

I'm just gonna keep hittin you guys with the love thing because you may know ABOUT God , but I KNOW God. I know His character , and I know that most of what is here , is NOT representing God.

Oh? And how do you know God? What is your source of information? If you are hearing voices, it's a demon you are hearing, not God.

Hint: the Holy Bible is the only source of information about God. Start reading, sweetie!

and how dare you label me as unsaved trash !!

Because you prove over and over that you don't know the Bible.

I am born again , spirit filled. Jesus Christ is not only the Lord of Lords and King of Kings , but He is my Lord , and He is God. No-one can say that unless they have the Spirit of Christ.
Even if you call your brother "rafa" you are in danger of hellfire within yourself , how much moreso are you in danger by calling what God has cleansed , an "unclean" thing ?

Sweetie, it's because the only thing we know about you is what you post. Anybody can say that he is a "born again Christian," there plenty of liars on the internet. Hence, the only way we can evaluate whether you are lying or telling the truth is comparing what you say with what God said. Unfortunately, the more you write the clearer it is that you have never read the Holy Bible.

You may know the bible , but I know the author , and that is vitally more important.

And what makes you so special? How come God gave the Holy Bible for the entire humanity to follow, but you get some special rules and VIP treatment? Are you in one of these sects, where the leader proclaims himself to be God? That's blasphemy, you know.