[Basilissa]

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Finally a halfway reasonable question! Thank you .
This is easy to explain. The original texts were written in Aramaic / Hebrew and Greek. At that time people were not as far as getting in their knowledge . They did not know that a Greek word twenty or more different meanings can have. Take, for example, the word " malokoi " ( German spelling) , which is mentioned in Paul's Epistle to the Corinthians ( in all of us known quote about homosexuals The word can be translated as . :
soft, gentle , tender ; but also as a coward , a liar and effeminate. Here is an overview of the different Bible translations :

https://christiangays.com/articles/malakoi.shtml

Earlier translators brought it first with the masturbation related. It was only in the fifties was constructed as homosexual, a connection that is not consistent.
So if there was a conspiracy , then it came from homophobic fundamentalist Christians. Not from the Bible , and not even by the translators.

You are not answering my question. The word you mention is translated as effeminate, which in the Bible is listed alongside homosexuality, but does not mean homosexuality:

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

See? Being effeminate and committing homosexual act are two different sins.

Now let's have a look at the verse in Leviticus, shall we?

Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

While the KJV version does not use the word "homosexuality" in this verse (some more recent translations do; see http://biblehub.com/parallel/leviticus/20-13.htm), it clearly condemns what today we call a homosexual act. However, this verse does not speak about being effeminate. (I don't know much about homosexuals, but from what I gather not all of them are effeminate anyway).

[Oliver Brendan Hayve]

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At that time people were not as far as getting in their knowledge . They did not know that a Greek word twenty or more different meanings can have.

That problem would be irrelevant to a Bible inspired and preserved by an omnipotent and omniscient God, right?

[Dirtbag Nazi Childmolestor (Quarantined)]

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That problem would be irrelevant to a Bible inspired and preserved by an omnipotent and omniscient God, right?

The Bible is the Word of God. Pure and simple. This does not mean that the Bible is perfect or has been completely translated. Most of this forum are idiots with blinders on, because they see only what they want to see. Not what really is!
Christ is gay! Paul was gay, the whole apostles are gay and make orgies.

[Oliver Brendan Hayve]

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The Bible is the Word of God. Pure and simple. This does not mean that the Bible is perfect or has been completely translated.

You just called your God an incompetent hack.

[Dirtbag Nazi Childmolestor (Quarantined)]

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You are not answering my question.

I did, dude, but you don't wanna hear it.
What is translate as effeminates in your post, had Luther correctly translated as catamites (young male prostitutes). And Mr. Kittel published it in his Theological Dictionary of the New Testament at the same way. So "effeminate" isn't correct, it is CATAMITE. Even such a trash as you, can understand it.
And, I don't care, what you think about me, I'm a Christian and a woman. And I knew, that God and Jesus accept me as I am. And, juristically I'm also female. I can show you my birth certificate. It is legally changed from male to female.

[Dirtbag Nazi Childmolestor (Quarantined)]

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You just called your God an incompetent hack.

No, I call few Bible translators and some Bible cribber as incompetent and unknowing. God is God, he is perfect. But humans are not perfect.

[Oliver Brendan Hayve]

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No, I call few Bible translators and some Bible cribber as incompetent and unknowing. God is God, he is perfect. But humans are not perfect.

So God, despite being omnipotent, depends for whatever reason on "incompetent and unknowing" human beings to get His point across? That doesn't sound perfect to me.

[Basilissa]

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I did, dude, but you don't wanna hear it.
What is translate as effeminates in your post, had Luther correctly translated as catamites (young male prostitutes). And Mr. Kittel published it in his Theological Dictionary of the New Testament at the same way. So "effeminate" isn't correct, it is CATAMITE. Even such a trash as you, can understand it.
And, I don't care, what you think about me, I'm a Christian and a woman. And I knew, that God and Jesus accept me as I am. And, juristically I'm also female. I can show you my birth certificate. It is legally changed from male to female.

1. I'm not a "dude" (unlike you, I'm a real woman).

2. How many times should I tell you that I don't care how effeminate is translated. What I have been talking about is the sin of homosexuality, which is different from the sin of being effeminate (not all effeminate men are homosexuals, and vice versa). The sin of homosexuality is described in both verses. The sin of being effeminate is talked about only in one of these verses.

Since you like different translations, look here:

http://biblehub.com/parallel/1_corinthians/6-9.htm

http://biblehub.com/parallel/1_corinthians/6-10.htm

No matter how you slice it, all homosexuals go to Hell.

Also, whether you translate what KJV calls "effeminate" as male prostitutes (New Living Translation, World English Bible), passive homosexual partners (NET Bible), sexual molesters (Aramaic Bible in Plain English), those who make women of themselves (Darby Bible Translation), all of these terms describe roughly the same thing, and these people also go to Hell.

[Dirtbag Nazi Childmolestor (Quarantined)]

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So God, despite being omnipotent, depends for whatever reason on "incompetent and unknowing" human beings to get His point across? That doesn't sound perfect to me.

Logically, Jesus once said that the good and the bad grow up together, and the wicked will be torn out on the day of judgment. And so God is also with those procedures, which translated the Bible deliberately wrong. Among those who made mistakes against better knowledge, I think it looks different.
Are you an atheist and gay, as these fundamentalist Christians believe? These folks misjudged other people very easy, If by stupid would be hurtful, they had to cry all day long.

[Dirtbag Nazi Childmolestor (Quarantined)]

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all of these terms describe roughly the same thing, and these people also go to Hell.

First, dudely dudy, you are a dude, because DUDE isn't just male, it is only female (known as duchess )

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dude

Second, It is important, because no quote in the Bible speaks about a homosexual love relationship. It always spoke about pederasty between a young prostitute and a pederast in a Pagan temple. Or between master and slave.

[Mary Etheldreda]

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Second, It is important, because no quote in the Bible speaks about a homosexual love relationship.

That's because no such thing exists. Homosexuals are incapable of love or relating in any real, meaningful way.

I hope that helps.

[Basilissa]

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First, dudely dudy, you are a dude, because DUDE isn't just male, it is only female (known as duchess )


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dude

Dudette would be the correct term, I think (although I do not associate with individuals who use such terms anyway).

Second, It is important, because no quote in the Bible speaks about a homosexual love relationship. It always spoke about pederasty between a young prostitute and a pederast in a Pagan temple. Or between master and slave.

Please explain to me how does this verse describe pederasty only and excludes "homosexual love relationship" (whatever that would mean):

Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Because I haven't seen God's footnote to this verse anywhere.

[Father Maurice Lester]

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Gerlinde,

You are not being very Christian towards these folks and as difficult as it might be to turn the other cheek, it is exactly as He commanded us to do. Trust me, I have suffered through a decade of abuse from these children of siblings and although it is not easy I have managed to stay above the kind of vitriol and truculence that exemplifies your responses here.

Jesus would have us show love and compassion to all but in particular to those whose actions speak to unfathomable distance between Christian love and the hateful ignorance so common to the trailer trash of Freehold.

Try and find in your heart the real message of love that Jesus has given through His words and deeds and rise above these lesser creatures that they may have an example of enlightenment to aspire towards.



Bless you, my testicle challenged Teuton,
Father Mo




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[Dr Laurence Niles]

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Second, It is important, because no quote in the Bible speaks about a homosexual love relationship. It always spoke about pederasty between a young prostitute and a pederast in a Pagan temple. Or between master and slave.

Not so. It is the gays Jesus has it in for (Lev 20:13).

Gay sex with a child is still gay sex and Jesus will punish it as such.

YIC

[Oliver Brendan Hayve]

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Logically, Jesus once said that the good and the bad grow up together, and the wicked will be torn out on the day of judgment. And so God is also with those procedures, which translated the Bible deliberately wrong. Among those who made mistakes against better knowledge, I think it looks different.

So you're telling me that God acquiesced in deliberately wrong translations of His Word, even though, as has already been pointed out to you, the Bible says that God has promised to preserve His Word. First, you're making your God sound like a lying (at least by proxy) scumbag. Second, by what method do you determine which parts of the Bible, if any, are trustworthy, and if you can't, why believe in any of it?