[ElizabethTheWitch]

Re: Quantum God?

66[/COLOR]46]Yet, over half of human population believes the Bible to be an accurate description of God and His will. Do you really think that a false belief would be so persistent over the last 2,000 years?



Well, to my knowledge, there is no sacred scripture about these characters!



Not true:


Source:http://www.pewforum.org/2012/12/18/g...andscape-exec/

As you can see, 1/3 of human population identify themselves as Christian - including Catholics, who are not considered to be Christians by this congregation, nevertheless they are also based off the Bible, even if remotely. Given that Muslims also belong to the same group of Abrahamic religions, it's over 1/2 of human population who believe the Bible to be correct.

Poppycock!!!! This old Pew nonsense is based on pure crap. It's not scientific at all. It's propaganda by the institution paid for by Christians to give them the news and science they want. Show me the Pew research, not some webpage that promises it's true. It's not. There's barely a third of Americans that identify as Christians, much less the World. There are 1.3 billion Chinese, most of whom are Buddhists. There are 1.2 Billion Indians, most of whom are Hindu or Sikh or Buddhists. Those two alone are way more than the Christians, even if all Christians were all the same religion, which they aren't.

As far as the rest goes, Hindu religion and native religions also include beliefs in the supernatural, often including a supreme being. With the Buddhists, the thing is a bit more complicated, some denominations believe in a supreme being, others do not or do not care. Hence, only the "unaffiliated" people are the ones who don't believe in anything, that's much less that 1/5 of the overall world population.

That is over 1.2 billion people who are unaffiliated. Also, how the questions are asked and scored makes a big difference. The actual number of practicing Christians is much, much, much less. Only about a third of Americans are Practicing Christians. And for Europe it's even less. They are counting a lot of people as Christians simply because they were raised in a Christian family and say they believe in God. Only a very small percentage actually go to Church and follow their churches doctrine. In fact the largest growing population is that of the non-believer, now at 20% of Americans and growing every year.


Basically, 70% of human population follows some kind of a sacred scripture, believing these scriptures to be the true account of the supernatural.

Meaningless statistic since all these people disagree on what is the right religion. It leads me to conclude that 70% of the worlds population is gullible. What people believe depends on where they were born, not what is correct. If you were born in China, you would be Buddhist because that is what you would have been taught was true.

You must have been raised in a Catholic family. However, look at this congregation: here, they believe that the Bible contains everything God wants people to know. No intermediaries necessary.

No, I was not raised in a Catholic home.

So, if you were a God, you would prefer mindless, obeying followers instead of creative individuals with FREE WILL? Interesting. I do hope that you never get to hold any political office, as you seem to be a bit authoritarian!

I am not the one making people follow these stupid religious rules that make no sense. You can't say people have free will, then pass laws making them obey the rules. That is not free will. That is punishment threat, manipulation to force people to believe what they don't believe on their own. Free will is the freedom to not have to pray to any of these gods that every religion claims is the correct one.

I don't think so. It still attracts people of all kinds, ranging from believers to mockers, and I think the ultimate mission of this website is even for the mockers to stop for a second and think.

I don't know what you mean by "mockers". It seems you mean people who don't believe what you believe. Isn't that free will? Don't people have the free will not to believe and not to abide by your religion or your rules, and you should not be permitted to make them law? I don't mock your religion, I just don't believe it. Refusing to believe is not mocking. It's not being convinced. And everyone who wants to believe that religions are true, can't stand it when people don't believe. It shakes their beliefs when other don't believe silly stories on "faith" In 100 years the God religions will be dead and proved wrong and new religions will emerge because humans need religion. We even have a special part of our brain dedicated to it. Damage that part of your brain and you no longer have faith or a need for it. It's well documented, look it up.

[ElizabethTheWitch]

Re: Quantum God?

My dear, Satan is not God's rival but His creation (Genesis 3:1). Therefore, Satan has the power which God Himself gives him:

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the Lord hath not done it?

Well, the Devil begs to differ. After all, he even tried to tempt :

Matthew 4:1-11
1 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.
2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.
3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,
6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.

Again, exactly what I said. All words, no substance. He lied to Jesus, and Jesus knew he was lying and called him on it, so he left. The only power your Satan has over you, is the power to lie. Since I don't believe in him, I don't hear his lies or obey his commands.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Quantum God?

When I am finally in Heaven with Jesus as my drinking buddy I'm going to spend a good ten years or so laughing with Him as you writhe on Satan's barbed tallywacker for our amusement. While we drink a cool beer and armwrestle like men.

It's not too late to repent. Tim McVeigh and Charles Manson are there with Jesus because they accepted Christ before they died. You can, too.

[Dolores de Barriga]

Re: Quantum God?

Please learn how to quote properly, your quoting style gives me a headache.

Poppycock!!!! This old Pew nonsense is based on pure crap. It's not scientific at all. It's propaganda by the institution paid for by Christians to give them the news and science they want. Show me the Pew research, not some webpage that promises it's true. It's not. There's barely a third of Americans that identify as Christians, much less the World.

You don't like my source - fine. Would Encyclopaedia Britannica be scientific enough for you? Here is the link:
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/...-All-Religions

It doesn't have a visually appealing pie chart, but if you sift through all these numbers, you'll see that the pie chart I provided is correct.

There are 1.3 billion Chinese, most of whom are Buddhists. There are 1.2 Billion Indians, most of whom are Hindu or Sikh or Buddhists. Those two alone are way more than the Christians, even if all Christians were all the same religion, which they aren't.

Newsflash for you: not all Hindu are the same, not all Muslims are the same, not all Buddhists are the same, and not even Jews are the same, either. Statistics like these lump minor groups into larger ones for readability. However, you're in luck, because the Britannica source splits Christianity by major denominations. Unfortunately, it does not do the same for other major religions, oh well, it was produced for a Western reader so it contains data relevant for a Western reader.

That is over 1.2 billion people who are unaffiliated. Also, how the questions are asked and scored makes a big difference. The actual number of practicing Christians is much, much, much less. Only about a third of Americans are Practicing Christians. And for Europe it's even less. They are counting a lot of people as Christians simply because they were raised in a Christian family and say they believe in God. Only a very small percentage actually go to Church and follow their churches doctrine.

I've underlined the answer to your own question there. The rest is irrelevant.

In fact the largest growing population is that of the non-believer, now at 20% of Americans and growing every year.

I would love to see a scientific source of this statistics. Or should I just blindly believe you?

Meaningless statistic since all these people disagree on what is the right religion. It leads me to conclude that 70% of the worlds population is gullible. What people believe depends on where they were born, not what is correct. If you were born in China, you would be Buddhist because that is what you would have been taught was true.

Not necessarily. The landscape of Chinese religions is much more complicated than you imagine. Please read some academic sources before making generalized statements. For starters, may I recommend this book:

http://books.google.com/books?id=9Fp8IWH2uXUC&dq=modern+china+religions&lr=&source=gbs_navlinks_s

I am not the one making people follow these stupid religious rules that make no sense. You can't say people have free will, then pass laws making them obey the rules. That is not free will. That is punishment threat, manipulation to force people to believe what they don't believe on their own. Free will is the freedom to not have to pray to any of these gods that every religion claims is the correct one.

Aren't rules and free will to break or follow them the basic tenant of human societies in general? For example, if you live in the American society, it is illegal to drive while intoxicated; you have the free will to break this rule, but if you do break it and get caught, you will be punished. God works the exact same way, except He is more efficient: you get caught every time.

I don't know what you mean by "mockers". It seems you mean people who don't believe what you believe.

No. I believe that people have the right to believe whatever they want. By "mockers" I mean people who come to this forum with the sole purpose of ridiculing this congregation's beliefs - in other words, hindering this congregation's right to exercise their free will. Also, please note that I am not a member of the Landover Church, but I do respect beliefs of this community.

In 100 years the God religions will be dead and proved wrong and new religions will emerge because humans need religion.

I have never seen such claim in academic sources. Please provide citations of peer reviewed publications on this subject.

We even have a special part of our brain dedicated to it. Damage that part of your brain and you no longer have faith or a need for it. It's well documented, look it up.

In other words, you 1) consider atheists to be brain damaged people, and 2) recommend lobotomy for religious people. You do know that we don't live in 1800's, right? And no, I will not look it up. It is up to you to convince me, so you need to find scientific data supporting your claims.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Quantum God?

Again, exactly what I said. All words, no substance. ......

So typical of witch-whores.
Do you really want to pole dance Satans talleywacker? You may still have a chance to repent your sinful ways. I am willing to reach out to you. Please do not shut me out just because I care.

[Faith_Machine]

Re: Quantum God?

Sins are laws

If you're trying to say that sins are violations of God's laws, I agree.

Come on, would god let a Church like the Catholic Church have over 5000 pedophile priests, in Europe alone, if it were really his church?

Absolutely not. I'm glad you agree with us that the Catholic church is not a legitimate church.

Would God have let Jim Jones lure 1000 people into the jungle and force them to commit suicide, including Children?

Not only would God let that happen, God did let that happen. Those people chose to join a false church that preached a false doctrine, and, tragically, they suffered the inevitable consequences of their bad decision. It will be no different for the Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Presbyterians, Lutherans, Latter Day Saints, and Methodists.

If living my life under the scrutiny of men, like yourselves who believe in controlling people through religion

Given that you are currently an out-of-control whore, I fail to see how it would be a bad thing if you allowed God to use Christianity to get you under control. Hopefully that will happen before you get hepatitis or AIDS from some customer who paid you ten dollars extra to let him do it without a condom.

[ElizabethTheWitch]

Re: Quantum God?

Please learn how to quote properly, your quoting style gives me a headache.



You don't like my source - fine. Would Encyclopaedia Britannica be scientific enough for you? Here is the link:
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/...-All-Religions

It doesn't have a visually appealing pie chart, but if you sift through all these numbers, you'll see that the pie chart I provided is correct.

The polling methods are crap. Totally meaningless because people who generically believe in God, are considered to be Christians, when they aren't really Christians. True believers who actually believe Jesus is there personal savior is about 40%, including Catholics, and Mormons.

Newsflash for you: not all Hindu are the same, not all Muslims are the same, not all Buddhists are the same, and not even Jews are the same, either. Statistics like these lump minor groups into larger ones for readability. However, you're in luck, because the Britannica source splits Christianity by major denominations. Unfortunately, it does not do the same for other major religions, oh well, it was produced for a Western reader so it contains data relevant for a Western reader.

Same with Christianity. There are about a jillion different kinds of Christians and all of them believe that to believe the other versions means going to Hell.

I've underlined the answer to your own question there. The rest is irrelevant.

Like I said, there are a lot of people who say they come from Christian familys, but they themselves only believe in some generic God. They don't attend Church and they don't follow church doctrine. Yet? These people are counted as being Christians. They're not.

I would love to see a scientific source of this statistics. Or should I just blindly believe you?

http://www.pewforum.org/2012/10/09/nones-on-the-rise/

Here, you think so much of Pew, they are the ones saying it. Worldwide it's higher as Europe has become extremely secular.

Not necessarily. The landscape of Chinese religions is much more complicated than you imagine. Please read some academic sources before making generalized statements. For starters, may I recommend this book:

http://books.google.com/books?id=9Fp8IWH2uXUC&dq=modern+china+religions&lr=&source=gbs_navlinks_s

The point is, they are not Christians and Christians don't represent a majority of the population, in truth practicing Christians are less than a 1/5 of the worlds population. In ten years there will be more Muslims than Christians.

Aren't rules and free will to break or follow them the basic tenant of human societies in general? For example, if you live in the American society, it is illegal to drive while intoxicated; you have the free will to break this rule, but if you do break it and get caught, you will be punished. God works the exact same way, except He is more efficient: you get caught every time.

This is the silliest argument I have ever heard. If one is compelled through threat of pain or death, that is not free will. If someone pulls a gun on you and robs you, you did not have free will just because you could have said no and let him kill you. Anything that threatens punishment for not complying, can not be free will. It's manipulated, not free will. Free means just that, there can be no consequence for not complying. The only consequence has to be from the action itself, not punishment for breaking the rules.

No. I believe that people have the right to believe whatever they want. By "mockers" I mean people who come to this forum with the sole purpose of ridiculing this congregation's beliefs - in other words, hindering this congregation's right to exercise their free will. Also, please note that I am not a member of the Landover Church, but I do respect beliefs of this community.

I do not ridicule what anyone believes. I wholly support every members absolute right to believe whatever they want and should not be shown disrespect for simply having religious beliefs. However, those beliefs do not include making others comply with that religion, especially people like me that don't believe it and have a right to believe what we want. Your right does not trump other peoples rights. I am all for you doing whatever you want with like minded people. What I disagree with is making your religion the law. That is against our Constitution. And I'll be damned if I will put up with anyone down talking the Constitution.

I have never seen such claim in academic sources. Please provide citations of peer reviewed publications on this subject.

I don't believe "academic sources" can predict the future. It's just something I believe. I believe humans will not only find life on other worlds, but will be able to create life at a whim from nothing more than amino acids. Stem cells have now cured Type I Diabetes, looks like organ replacement, repairing severed spinal cords and generally making Humans live past the 120 years the Bible says is the limit. Basically the Bible will be proven to be fiction but mostly people won't have a need for your God anymore. Government and medicine with be able to give them what they used to get from religion.


In other words, you 1) consider atheists to be brain damaged people, and 2) recommend lobotomy for religious people. You do know that we don't live in 1800's, right? And no, I will not look it up. It is up to you to convince me, so you need to find scientific data supporting your claims.

No, that is not what I mean. What I mean is that humans have a need for religion. We have a place in our brains that makes people have what they believe are "spiritual" feelings. In other words once the God religions die, humans will still have a need for religion because of this part of the brain. I would never be for removing this from anyone unless it was cancerous or something. There is this professor that makes people have religious out of body experiences by placing a strong magnet near that part of the Brain. Check it out, it's on one of the "Through the Wormhole" episodes.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Quantum God?

We have a place in our brains that makes people have what they believe are "spiritual" feelings.

You might have a place in your brain where you believe in all sorts of mumbo jumbo but we True Christians are free of this vile witchcraft-prone affliction by the power of the Holy Spirit and protected from your spells by the blood of Jesus.

Just because you wrap your vile powers in the language of Psycho-babble-ology doesn't make it less evil.

Here is a prayer you can say to yourself to free yourself from the demon that was injected into you with your polio vaccine.

In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and with the blood of Jesus, I bind any demons in me in heaven and on Earth, in Jesus’ name and with his power and authority. Joel 2:32 says, “And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be delivered.”

I believe that Jesus is the Son of God and the only way to God and that he died on the cross for my sins and were resurrected so that I might be forgiven and saved.

It is not through my actions but through Jesus’ sacrifice as my personal savior and God’s grace that I have been saved. As a true Christian, I serve God completely to do His will.

I renounce all pride. I confess and repent of all my sins before You, Lord, and ask Your forgiveness. I also confess these sins that I have never confessed before:(list any secret sins here) .

I forgive everyone who has done wrong to me. I forget resentments and grudges against all people. I forgive these people that I have not forgiven before: (list people not forgiven before here) , since the Bible says that no one’s sins can be forgiven unless they forgive others.

I renounce all involvement I have ever had with the occult and false religion, including fortune tellers, witch craft, magic and sorcery. I will throw away all items I have associated with these things which God hates.

Please, I beg of you, renounce Satan this way and open yourself wide to receive Jesus within you.

[ElizabethTheWitch]

Re: Quantum God?

If you're trying to say that sins are violations of God's laws, I agree.

I thought everyone knew that. Breaking God's laws are sins. Breaking God's laws are not the same as breaking the laws of the Government although long long ago, it used to be that way. That is why we formed our Constitution, so other people could not tell us what to believe.


Absolutely not. I'm glad you agree with us that the Catholic church is not a legitimate church.

With you all the way on this one. Of course I don't consider any Church to be "legitimate". And as far as using the Church to sexually abuse it's members is common to almost every church or religion out there. If you want me to name all the Protestant Churches where the leaders or pastors have been engaged in having sex with minor children because "God wanted them to", I will be happy to do that, but it seems like that would be pretty embarassing since so many of them are Babtist.

Not only would God let that happen, God did let that happen. Those people chose to join a false church that preached a false doctrine, and, tragically, they suffered the inevitable consequences of their bad decision. It will be no different for the Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Presbyterians, Lutherans, Latter Day Saints, and Methodists.

See? That just makes it that much more preposterous. Let's see, God created all these people he knew would go to Hell, because he made them, he made Hell, and he made sure that some people, in fact most people, are going to Hell. Yet you refer to him as a Kind and Loving God? If you are right, and believe me, I don't think you are, but if you right and I go to Hell. That would mean God created me just to punish me knowing I was not going to comply. The Book of Life means God knows already who is going and who isn't. So my fate as well as everyone elses, is already been determined. Which also can not be free will.


Given that you are currently an out-of-control whore, I fail to see how it would be a bad thing if you allowed God to use Christianity to get you under control. Hopefully that will happen before you get hepatitis or AIDS from some customer who paid you ten dollars extra to let him do it without a condom.

Well, I don't feel out of control. I feel very much in control and as for being a Whore, I can only say I have never charged anyone for sex, nor have I ever had a "one night stand". In fact I am married and have always been faithful and always will.

[ElizabethTheWitch]

Re: Quantum God?

You might have a place in your brain where you believe in all sorts of mumbo jumbo but we True Christians are free of this vile witchcraft-prone affliction by the power of the Holy Spirit and protected from your spells by the blood of Jesus.

Just because you wrap your vile powers in the language of Psycho-babble-ology doesn't make it less evil.

Here is a prayer you can say to yourself to free yourself from the demon that was injected into you with your polio vaccine.

In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and with the blood of Jesus, I bind any demons in me in heaven and on Earth, in Jesus’ name and with his power and authority. Joel 2:32 says, “And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be delivered.”

I believe that Jesus is the Son of God and the only way to God and that he died on the cross for my sins and were resurrected so that I might be forgiven and saved.

It is not through my actions but through Jesus’ sacrifice as my personal savior and God’s grace that I have been saved. As a true Christian, I serve God completely to do His will.

I renounce all pride. I confess and repent of all my sins before You, Lord, and ask Your forgiveness. I also confess these sins that I have never confessed before:(list any secret sins here) .

I forgive everyone who has done wrong to me. I forget resentments and grudges against all people. I forgive these people that I have not forgiven before: (list people not forgiven before here) , since the Bible says that no one’s sins can be forgiven unless they forgive others.

I renounce all involvement I have ever had with the occult and false religion, including fortune tellers, witch craft, magic and sorcery. I will throw away all items I have associated with these things which God hates.

Please, I beg of you, renounce Satan this way and open yourself wide to receive Jesus within you.

I have never endorsed Satan and if I can make you feel better I would love to. So, keeping that in mind, I hereby renounce Satan and all religions that believe in him.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Quantum God?

I have never endorsed Satan and if I can make you feel better I would love to. So, keeping that in mind, I hereby renounce Satan and all religions that believe in him.

That's exactly what I would expect a Satan worshipper to say.

The cleverest thing Satan does to you unbelievers is to convince you he doesn't exist.

[Faith_Machine]

Re: Quantum God?

Dolores said something to you that bears repeating:

Please learn how to quote properly, your quoting style gives me a headache.

[ElizabethTheWitch]

Re: Quantum God?

You might have a place in your brain where you believe in all sorts of mumbo jumbo but we True Christians are free of this vile witchcraft-prone affliction by the power of the Holy Spirit and protected from your spells by the blood of Jesus.

Just because you wrap your vile powers in the language of Psycho-babble-ology doesn't make it less evil.

Here is a prayer you can say to yourself to free yourself from the demon that was injected into you with your polio vaccine.

In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and with the blood of Jesus, I bind any demons in me in heaven and on Earth, in Jesus’ name and with his power and authority. Joel 2:32 says, “And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be delivered.”

I believe that Jesus is the Son of God and the only way to God and that he died on the cross for my sins and were resurrected so that I might be forgiven and saved.

It is not through my actions but through Jesus’ sacrifice as my personal savior and God’s grace that I have been saved. As a true Christian, I serve God completely to do His will.

I renounce all pride. I confess and repent of all my sins before You, Lord, and ask Your forgiveness. I also confess these sins that I have never confessed before:(list any secret sins here) .

I forgive everyone who has done wrong to me. I forget resentments and grudges against all people. I forgive these people that I have not forgiven before: (list people not forgiven before here) , since the Bible says that no one’s sins can be forgiven unless they forgive others.

I renounce all involvement I have ever had with the occult and false religion, including fortune tellers, witch craft, magic and sorcery. I will throw away all items I have associated with these things which God hates.

Please, I beg of you, renounce Satan this way and open yourself wide to receive Jesus within you.

I only did it because you asked me to. I thought I was helping a friend out.

[Faith_Machine]

Re: Quantum God?

Pastor Zeke said it best. You are a whore of Satan. My heart weeps for you.

[ElizabethTheWitch]

Re: Quantum God?

I would like to thank everyone who participated in this thread. I'm sure you all believe you are all wonderful people and good for you. It's great to have high self esteem. I know it takes time out of your very busy day to answer my questions and I am grateful and wish all of you only the very best.

But having said that, my last three threads were deleted and this one is done, so until I can start threads again, I won't be able to get real answers from real Christians. That's a shame, but it make me non the less grateful. You all have helped me more than you could ever know and I will always be grateful for you.

Elizabeth