[Helper]

Re: List of foods now prohibited in True Christian™ households!

My dear, this is why you are not a True Christian™. It is not your opinion that matters, but the opinion of the High and Mighty LORD. You can learn what He thinks about the value of a fetus by reading the Holy Bible. Pastor Jones has laid out a powerful sermon explaining just this here: Is the Bible against abortion?

I'm sorry.
You guys support abortion?
Fuck this shit I'm out of here.

[Helper]

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Good.

So are you going to boycott every single company that has ever been tied to forced labor or slave labor?

Because why boycott just the ones which support Planned Parenthood, when you could boycott every company which makes millions of people suffer? Why be so selective?

Here is a recent report (here a lovely explanation, if the data isn't obvious) and a US government report about goods produced by forced and child labor - you can search it by type of good or country.

Besides food, your electronics and your clothes are often produced by slaves as well. You should boycott companies which sell these products as well.

Basically, you need to produce your own food and sow your own clothes if you don't want to support inhumane treatment of humans. In this light, your Planned Parenthood-based boycott is rather ridiculous, isn't it?

95% of things in life follow rule 34.
You've boycotted so many things over that rule.
But not all of them.
Makes your boycotts seem a bit ridiculous doesn't it?

Don't get me wrong.
I don't mind you guys boycotting things.
But the same argument used against me could be used against you.
I can't boycott everything, but I still boycott some things.
You can't boycott everything, but you still boycott some things.

[Mister Brasil]

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Fox News did an article about the companies who used baby parts(more specifically, parts of their livers) in their products.

Thanks for bringing this to my attention. This is a horrifying practice; as you say, if not true, then obviously close to the truth. I'll try and share this knowledge with everyone I know. Planned Parenthood does nothing if not aid fornicators. If fornicators had to bear the children of their lust, it would, if nothing else, slow down their fornication, and doubtlessly improve the economy of the United States, by reducing our dependence on imported poverty-wage employees, if only 16 years in the future. Contraception is a short-sighted practice.

It's clear that Fox News is the pinnacle of integrity, but Big Baby Parts is a powerful and entrenched institution without significant political opposition, and even Fox News has to bow to their pressure. I'm sad that I don't have anything cached-- I make it a practice to clear my internet history whenever my "niece" visits. Fox News coverage of the baby parts scandal remains, if dismembered and partially delivered. I'm pleased to note that Fox News remains fair and balanced by refusing to address red herrings like what New York Values fetal tissue is used to advance or (((who))) it goes to, or whether such sales merely cover costs associated with the practice or whether they represent an income stream to the Planned Parenthood masters (ding ding!) The release of the almost-complete footage by CMP has been disingenuously interpreted by MSM. Please don't bother reading any reports on it, not even the CMP-funded report, as like the Bible, even the devil may quote it. Instead know that, according the CMP-funded report, any edits were regarding non-pertinent footage,

With regard to the "Full Footage" YouTube videos released by the Organization, edits made to these videos were applied to eliminate non-pertinent footage

thus justifying Fox News' claim

Yet just minutes before the hearing started, a forensic analysis said the videos "are authentic and show no evidence of manipulation or editing."

Language is a dangerous thing when people read something like "complete footage" and read what they want to read. Without the vigilance of fair news sources like Fox News, we would be at the mercy of the liberal-elite deep-state ivory-tower forest-for-the-trees secular-atheist MSM.

I would like to commend helper for recognizing the value in supporting news organizations like Fox that tell it like it is.

[Basilissa]

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But the same argument used against me could be used against you.
I can't boycott everything, but I still boycott some things.
You can't boycott everything, but you still boycott some things.

I agree 100%. You cannot boycott everything, so you have to make some choices. What is more important? What is your priority? A life of an American fetus, or a life of a foreign slave owned by Nestle, Hershey, or another American company?

If you chose to continue to boycott companies based on the Planned Parenthood thing, and disregard issues of slavery, that means you made a choice.

For you, a life of an American fetus is more important than a life of a foreign (and usually brown) slave.

And, as I said before, there is nothing wrong with that. You are a patriot, and that must naturally lead you to think that some people's lives are more valuable than others. Look in your eyes in a mirror and say it out loud:

"For me, a life of an American fetus is more important than a life of a foreign (and usually brown) slave, and because of that I will continue to boycott companies which support Planned Parenthood but I will never even consider boycotting a company that makes a profit off slavery and child labor."

When you say that, how does that make you feel? Embrace and understand all of these emotions, don't ignore them.

[Helper]

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I agree 100%. You cannot boycott everything, so you have to make some choices. What is more important? What is your priority? A life of an American fetus, or a life of a foreign slave owned by Nestle, Hershey, or another American company?

If you chose to continue to boycott companies based on the Planned Parenthood thing, and disregard issues of slavery, that means you made a choice.

For you, a life of an American fetus is more important than a life of a foreign (and usually brown) slave.

And, as I said before, there is nothing wrong with that. You are a patriot, and that must naturally lead you to think that some people's lives are more valuable than others. Look in your eyes in a mirror and say it out loud:

"For me, a life of an American fetus is more important than a life of a foreign (and usually brown) slave, and because of that I will continue to boycott companies which support Planned Parenthood but I will never even consider boycotting a company that makes a profit off slavery and child labor."

When you say that, how does that make you feel? Embrace and understand all of these emotions, don't ignore them.

Nope.
I support neither.
My choice, is that I can easily boycott both Coke and Pepsi, as well as chocolate.
I could also boycott almost everything related to child labor, but I could help them more then if didn't. For example.
If I just lived in the woods hunting and farming, I could effectively boycott them all.
But people would think I'm insane.


If I used the products of theirs that I COULDN'T(I'm not going to eat Hershey's chocolate now. Nor Nestle. Mark my word.) boycott, then I could still influence people and hopefully one day find a way to help them.

[Basilissa]

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Nope.
I support neither.
My choice, is that I can easily boycott both Coke and Pepsi, as well as chocolate.
I could also boycott almost everything related to child labor, but I could help them more then if didn't. For example.
If I just lived in the woods hunting and farming, I could effectively boycott them all.
But people would think I'm insane.


If I used the products of theirs that I COULDN'T(I'm not going to eat Hershey's chocolate now. Nor Nestle. Mark my word.) boycott, then I could still influence people and hopefully one day find a way to help them.

I see. So on your "what to boycott list" the priorities are not based on the gravity of the offense, but on what is easy to boycott. That is a very practical approach to life you have there!

Maybe to make you boycott even easier, you cold alternate days/weeks when you boycott certain items. So one day you can boycott Coca-Cola by not buying Sprite nor Simply Orange juice (or any other of their products), and then the next day you could boycott Nestle by not buying Kit Kat bars or Haagen-Dazs ice cream (or any other of their billion brands), and then the same for Hershey and Pepsi brands. This would make your life even easier, because eliminating all four of the brands at once would probably eliminate most of your daily food, and we wouldn't want that to happen, would we?

[Helper]

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I see. So on your "what to boycott list" the priorities are not based on the gravity of the offense, but on what is easy to boycott. That is a very practical approach to life you have there!

Maybe to make you boycott even easier, you cold alternate days/weeks when you boycott certain items. So one day you can boycott Coca-Cola by not buying Sprite nor Simply Orange juice (or any other of their products), and then the next day you could boycott Nestle by not buying Kit Kat bars or Hoogen-Dazs ice cream (or any other of their billion brands), and then the same for Hershey and Pepsi brands. This would make your life even easier, because eliminating all four of the brands at once would probably eliminate most of your daily food, and we wouldn't want that to happen, would we?

Best get a better idea of what my daily food is then.
And you guys still boycott things, but not everything.
You boycott certain things that are easy to boycott, but not the hard things.
The idea, is that I'm not doing nothing. And what I consider "Hard" is what I would literally have to separate myself from society to boycott.

[Mister Brasil]

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If I just lived in the woods hunting and farming, I could effectively boycott them all.
But people would think I'm insane.

Helper, are you being sarcastic? You might fit in around here after all. I'm always happy to swing at such an easy, friendly pitch.

I'm sure that when Christ asks to be good people that love each other, He doesn't mean if it's hard, or if it would mean being seen as weird. Does He?

Luke 6:22

Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.

But, wouldn't that be too hard? Can't we just take the parts of the Bible that we like and throw away the rest? Won't God forgive us that?

James 2:10

For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

But but but! That's ridiculous. Nobody can live that way. Well, virtually nobody. Surely God loves us all more than that?

Revelation 7:4

And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

144k? Out of all of those Christians?

Luke 13:24:

Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.

Strive to enter at the strait gate, helper. If that means you live in the woods, if that means people consider you mad, so be it. Follow the whole of the Law or follow none of it.

[Basilissa]

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Best get a better idea of what my daily food is then.
And you guys still boycott things, but not everything.
You boycott certain things that are easy to boycott, but not the hard things.

My dear, please don't make any assumptions about which brands I buy and which I don't, and for what reasons, and whether any of my reasons for not buying a certain brand can be classified as a boycott.

[Helper]

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My dear, please don't make any assumptions about which brands I buy and which I don't, and for what reasons, and whether any of my reasons for not buying a certain brand can be classified as a boycott.

I made no such assumptions.
What I did say was truth though. At least by your words.


In other threads you supported the boycotting(aka, not using because you disagree wit hit) of many different things from table saws to video games.
Some of the video games you boycotted because it can be used to make sexual images.
Even if you could much more easily make sexual images online rather then in the game.
Now why do you boycott the game and not the internet?

[Basilissa]

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Even if you could much more easily make sexual images online rather then in the game.
Now why do you boycott the game and not the internet?

For the same reason why I don't boycott kitchen knives, even though they can be used to harm people. Nevertheless, the good uses of knives seem to outnumber the bad ones.

On the other hand, there are plenty of reasons given why not to play video games - and I fail to see any benefits. Video games are violent, it's all about kill, kill, kill, and while there's plenty of justified killing in the Holy Bible, the games seem to be more about the thrill of killing rather than Godly reasons to do so. Moreover, they make people dumber, as they take away time which could have been spent learning something useful. Also, they increase obesity and diseases related to sedentary lifestyle - the same time could have been used to remove weeds from the garden (as I have been doing for the past hour; the darned things just don't stop creeping up!).

Getting back to boycotting foodstuff. Personally, I would only boycott companies which clearly go against the Will of God.

Your complain against Coca Cola and Pepsi was their supposed support for Planned Parenthood (supposed because I did not fact-check this, and since you probably haven't either, this could be real news or fake news). Now, sugary drinks in general are banned in my household because I dislike their taste, but let's check with the Holy Bible, whether a full-fledged boycott is in order - what does it say about institutions such as Planned Parenthood.

What does Planned Parenthood do? It provides health care to people who otherwise couldn't afford any. That means more poor people on the streets. While you could say that seeking health care goes against God's Will:

James 5:14-16
14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

OK, you seem to be onto something there. God does not want people seek health care (and our Godly Republicans are fulfilling His will right now with their new bill - no more free health care for the poor, thank you Jesus!). Every sickness is, after all, a gift from God. We shouldn't try to get rid of it using doctors; we should just pray to God to remove it.

Now, another thing which Planned Parenthood does is abortions. What does the Bible say about abortions? While the word itself does not appear in the Bible, there are some situations which actually describe abortions.

Let's have look at Hosea chapter 13. In this chapter, God is unhappy about people not caring enough for Him; His Holy Wrath is building up, and when He extends His punishing hand, even women, children, and fetuses will suffer:

Hosea 13:15-16
15 Though he be fruitful among his brethren, an east wind shall come, the wind of the Lord shall come up from the wilderness, and his spring shall become dry, and his fountain shall be dried up: he shall spoil the treasure of all pleasant vessels.
16 Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.

As you can see, ripping up women with fetuses still in their bellies can be good. Occasionally, this is what makes God happy, as it satisfies His Anger. Therefore, abortions can be good. Therefore, at least part of what Planned Parenthood does is OK in the eyes of God. He's not happy about people seeking doctors, but He's perfectly OK with heathens dying - and that certainly includes heathen fetuses.

Now, let's move on to the subject I introduced, slavery. The reason why I touched on it is because you seemed to care about American fetuses more than about suffering of people elsewhere; now I realize my mistake, it was all about easiness, not empathy.

According to the Bible, slavery is not an abomination, but rather a part of a natural social order. In fact, God gives detailed provisions on how to purchase your slaves:

Leviticus 25:44-46
44 Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids.
45 Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession.
46 And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever: but over your brethren the children of Israel, ye shall not rule one over another with rigour.

Also, God gives instructions on how to sell your daughters into slavery:

Exodus 21:7-8
7 And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do.
8 If she please not her master, who hath betrothed her to himself, then shall he let her be redeemed: to sell her unto a strange nation he shall have no power, seeing he hath dealt deceitfully with her.

As you can see, God is very thoughtful and does not want to be the girl to be sold second time - only once.

So no, I don't lose any sleep at night just because I buy a lot of stuff made by slave labor. If God didn't want slavery, He would have ended it long time ago, and certainly would not include provisions about it in the Holy Bible.

[Helper]

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I relinquish my argument and let yours stands.Needless to say, I still disagree.
But the reason, is that we interpret the bible different ways.
I interpret it as I pray and read the bible.

[Basilissa]

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But the reason, is that we interpret the bible different ways.
I interpret it as I pray and read the bible.

Why would you want to interpret something that is already written in plain English?

Or by "interpret" you mean "twist it so it means what I want it to mean instead of what it really says"?

I do recommend that you read that sermon about abortions. And also this one on sanctity of life. There's no interpretation there, Pastors Levi and Ezekiel just read what is written.

[Helper]

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Why would you want to interpret something that is already written in plain English?

Or by "interpret" you mean "twist it so it means what I want it to mean instead of what it really says"?

I do recommend that you read that sermon about abortions. And also this one on sanctity of life. There's no interpretation there, Pastors Levi and Ezekiel just read what is written.

They also missed the part about "Thou shall not murder"
If God knew us before we were even formed in the womb, why do you think he is fine with us being murdered before we get a chance to live?

[Basilissa]

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They also missed the part about "Thou shall not murder"
If God knew us before we were even formed in the womb, why do you think he is fine with us being murdered before we get a chance to live?

The short answer is, that He hates some when they are still in the womb:

Romans 9:10-13
10 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;
11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth
12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

That's because some people are wicked even in the womb:

Psalm 58:3 The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.

Now, the murder thing. It is true that God forbids murder (Exodus 20:13) - which we can define as "unjustified killing." A murder - an unjustified killing - is to be punished with the capital penalty, or justified killing:

Exodus 21:12 He that smiteth a man, so that he die, shall be surely put to death.

So, as long as killing is justified, it is OK.

Here are some examples of justified killings from the Bible:

Deuteronomy 20:16-18
16 But of the cities of these people, which the Lord thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth:
17 But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the Lord thy God hath commanded thee:
18 That they teach you not to do after all their abominations, which they have done unto their gods; so should ye sin against the Lord your God.

1 Samuel 15:3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
Psalm 137:9 Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.

That last verse makes you wonder, what sound is made by baby brains splashed into the stones? Apparently God enjoys it.

Anyway, I hope that these verses convince you that there are cases when killing of babies (even the unborn, Hosea 13:16) is justified in the eyes of God, and therefore not murder.