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Welcome friend.
We always welcome differing viewpoints from newcomers, and I'm sure that you will soon come around to our way of thinking.

Yes, Praise The Word of God. I have been getting it out for many years.

Has Stem Cell Research got anything to do with killing babies or mocking God?

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@RunFar Welcome! I hope we can be friends!

Since you are new here please look at our please read this before posting and our your rights on this forum threads! If you already did that, just do it again. There you can learn that this forum is not about debating or unsaved opinions but about praising Jesus!

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>> Has Stem Cell Research got anything to do with killing babies or mocking God?

No, it does not. We are do research and development of technologies that are used to help people who have been burned, maimed, and paralyzed.

"Each one should use whatever gift he has received to serve others, faithfully administering God's grace in its various forms."
Peter 4:10

Embryonic stem cell research, is a totally different thing, and is not something we deal with AT ALL...

While no one has a problem looking at cheek cells in a microscope, nobody thinks that cloning a human is ethically acceptable. Where do we draw the line in between the two?

-RF

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Hm...about the stem cell stuff - I don't know much about it except that it's got the cat-lickers all in frothing convulsions , so it's a fair bet I like it.

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Even though this thwarts God's efforts?

"Who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the LORD?" -- Exodus 4:11

Also remember that God went to the effort to maim these people as a loving punishment for their sins:

"The LORD shall smite thee with madness, and blindness, and astonishment of heart." -- Deuteronomy 28:28

God also punishes sin pre-emptively, in the case of people born disabled.

That is true. Administering God's grace is different from thwarting God's will. I think it's a good thing that the rapture will come before any of your discoveries are put into practice, and I pray that you find a career that glorifies the efforts of God, instead of thwarting them.

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It seems to me prayer would be a more appropriate way to fix these people.

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COM,

Have you got anything positive to say about anything? You certainly live up to your name! Now, how about sharing some of that joy that Jesus brings?

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Could you explain whose soul is in a body if you put one person's stem cells in another person? Wouldn't people go crazy when there are two souls in one body? And what if the donor was a sinner, would that damn the recipient to Hell? Or do you think he could get baptized a second time?

Oh, and what proof do you have your stem cells aren't from embryo's you have aborted and then destroyed into a million little stem cells?

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I find that hard to believe considering your following quote:
That certainly is true and you should be spending more time reading your Bible.
For someone who knows nothing of any religion, you sure have a strange way of expressing that.

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It brings me great joy that I will die soon and go to Heaven. I hope my death will be very painful so I will enjoy Heaven even more.

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I don't know how to respond... All of the cells we use are from rats, pigs, cows, or goats that go to slaughter for food. As far as human stem cells, there are lots of different types of stem cells throughout the body, for instance, in bone marrow.

I think it would be reasonable to argue that a stem cell based treatment or product would have the same impact on the soul as person receiving a blood or plasma transfusion.

Bandaging a wound is clearly a good thing. Does this stop being a good thing at some point? What is that point? Healing burns is one of the main applications for stem cell based technology.

Matthew 10:8
Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out demons. Freely you have received, freely give.

- RF

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When i was very little, we were involved in church. Then, my mother got very sick, and nobody from our church cared. She eventually got better, but that was the end of organized religion for our household.

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RunFar is lying through his teeth. Everyone knows that stem research is nothing but a front for liberals raping and mutilating children. Stem cell researchers are even more perverse than the Catlickers.

Run Far, you did not think that you could pull the wool over our eyes, did you? You mistake our soft, genteel natures for feebleness of mind, but you are wrong. We True Christians(tm) are sharp and think on our feet. All the years of having blood orgies in a laboratory have dulled your wits and made you imperceptive. We are well informed about the evils of stem cell research, and I think I speak for many others when I say that your kind are not welcome here!

Go take your infant anus mutilation and your Satanic blood ritual elsewhere!

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I am happy for you that God allowed your mother to get better, the people of your church must've prayed pretty hard to help.

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I thought you guys had to have some ethical review before you could do this sort of science stuff. Such questions would naturally come up in a review like that, wouldn't they?Ok, the Bible says we have dominion over all creatures, so destroying pigs and rats to get stem cells should not be a problem.

But now I'm even more confused, if you use rat stem cells to cover a burn, wouldn't the patient grow rat skin and rat fur on his wound? Or is it not so bad if you shave it often?

Well, personally I wouldn't want a blood transfusion, I mean if Jesus wants me to live He would provide a way for me to be healed, I don't need a physician or scientist for that.

But I'm not sure if blood is the same as stem cells, as I understand it stem cells are undifferentiated and can grow into an entire human being, just like an embryo, so if they can become an entire human they must have a soul. Blood can't turn into a human, so I don't think blood has a soul... Although now I think about it, we do have to wash ourselves in Jesus' blood to cleanse ourselves of sin, so maybe in some cases there is some soul in blood? Because if Jesus's blood was just regular blood it wouldn't do anything special.

This is getting way too complicated, I think I would like to ask a Pastor what this means.

By the same logic cutting someone with a scalpel to operate on him is also clearly be a good thing. Does it stop being a good thing at some point? Yes, stabbing someone with a scalpel or knife stops being a good thing when it kills either this life or the chance at the afterlife in Heaven. I think the same standard should be applied to your stem cell bandages.

That is good Scripture, but remember the context, these verses come right before and explain more of what Jesus commanded to His disciples:
The healing powers don't come from science, but from God, and should only be used on Christians, not on Jews and foreigners, so be careful how you apply your knowledge.