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Default Re: Why Roman Catholic Papists Are NOT Christians - 05-03-2017, 09:03 AM

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The King James version says the same thing:31 nWhen the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the oholy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32 And pbefore him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall qseparate them one from another, as a shepherd qdivideth hisrsheep from the goats: 33 And he shall set the sheep son his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall tthe King say unto uthem on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, winherit xthe kingdom yprepared for you zfrom the foundation of the world: 35 aFor I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was ba stranger, and ye ctook me in: 36 dNaked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye evisited me: fI was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40 And tthe King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, gInasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, hDepart from me, ye cursed, iinto everlasting fire, ykprepared for lthe devil and lmhis angels: 42 For I nwas an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not ominister unto thee? 45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, pInasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46 And these shall go away into qeverlasting punishment: but the righteous into qrlife eternal.
Ok, I too can dispense with pleasantries.


NIV (Not KJV1611)


44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’


KJV 1611


44 Then shall they also answere him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sicke, or in prison, and did not minister vnto thee


Now. Does that look the same to you? Didn't think so. It also has a completely different meaning when taken in context of the overall chapter.


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Isaiah 66:15

For behold, the Lord wil come with fire, and with his charets like a whirlewinde, to render his anger with furie, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
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Default Re: Why Roman Catholic Papists Are NOT Christians - 05-03-2017, 02:27 PM

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Here's what Jesus said:
Matthew 25:31-46New International Version (NIV)

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The King James version says the same thing:
Dear Mr. Stone, as Brother Thomas has rightfully noted, there are some serious differences between the One True Word of God as expressed in the KJV and all of the other fake news translations.

Verse 31 NIV omits the word "holy" before angels (suggesting that the fallen angels will be included???) and changes "throne of his glory" into a "glorious throne." Totally different thing.

Verse 32 NIV substitutes "his" for "the," therefore deemphasizing the fact that all people are God's property.

Verse 34 NIV substitutes the word "foundation" with "creation." While this may seem like a minor semantic issue at the first glance, it does bring some serious theological ramifications. Foundation has a much deeper meaning than creation, as it brings connotations of something fundamental, pivotal.

Verse 35 NIV replaces "took me in" with "invited me in." Again, this seemingly semantic change brings deeper meaning as I can invite someone for coffee but I only take them in if they are going to stay for longer than a month.

Verse 36 NIV commits two serious substitutions. First, it replaces "naked" with "needing clothes." As you can see, NIV is trying to sugarcoat extreme poverty here. Secondly, NIV changes "came unto me" with "came to visit me." Some might say that helps to clarify that this verse does not imply we should have sexual relationships with prisoners (compare Genesis 29:23, Genesis 30:4). However, such change is not necessary as we know from other contexts that sometimes this expression does mean just visiting, not having sex (Exodus 9:1 - nobody in their right mind would deduce from this passage that Moses was anally raping Pharaoh). Therefore, there's nothing that would justify NIV's change.

The latter substitution also happens in verse 39.

Verse 40 NIV replaces "unto" with "for." That drastically alters the meaning, as the things we do "for" others fall into a totally different category from things we do "unto" others.

Verse 43 NIV again replaces "taking in" with "visiting" (in the context of strangers), and "naked" with "needing clothes." In addition, when Jesus complains that He was in prison and the stupid goats didn't even visit Him, they replace "visiting" in this context with "looking after me." Again, it may seem like semantics, but a visit is something else than looking after someone. I can be looking after someone without actually visiting them. Jesus clearly wants me to get up and actually, physically visit.

Verse 44 NIV again gets rid of "naked." The second substitution has been noted by Brother Thomas. Helping someone includes a totally different set of obligations than ministering to that person.

Verse 45 NIV replaces "to" with "for." See note for verse 40.

I hope that was helpful, dear.
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Default Re: Why Roman Catholic Papists Are NOT Christians - 05-03-2017, 04:36 PM

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Does not this quote show that good works are required for salvation?
Ephesians 2:8-9 KJV: 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

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Default Re: Why Roman Catholic Papists Are NOT Christians - 05-03-2017, 07:43 PM

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It also has a completely different meaning when taken in context of the overall chapter.
I don't think so. The meaning I see is that you are saved by good works. I don't see where saved by faith alone is mentioned in this passage:Matthew 25:31-46.
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Default Re: Why Roman Catholic Papists Are NOT Christians - 02-17-2018, 07:40 PM

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It is this kind of propagandist and vitriolic attack on decency that has much of mankind fighting each other instead of behaving in the manner that out Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ would have us.

Shame on you 'Pastor' Zeke, especially at a time when Catholic and Baptist doctrine is in agreement on a number of issues from mistrust of Islam to the evils of Harry Potter!

Once again, I ask you and your ilk to kindly refrain from such spurious and specious assaults on The Church of Rome, God's Church.

Bless you, my hillbilly huckster,
Father Mo"

Does God change? Then how can Hislaw (written on stone tablets) change? What source authorized the BiblicalSabbath to be changed?

What does the Biblesay on this subject?
Malachi 3:6 "ForI am the Lord, I do not change."
Psalms 89:34 "Mycovenant I will not break, nor alter the word that has gone out of Mylips."

What about Jesus,does he change?
Hebrews 13:8"Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever."

What did the apostlessay in regards to obeying God instead of man?
Acts 5:29 "ButPeter and the other apostles answered and said: "We ought to obey Godrather than men."

So what authorityadmits to changing the Sabbath of God's 10 Commandments? There is no Bibleverse(s) to support this question, so we will have to rely upon the actualnon-Biblical source regarding the change.

In Faith of Our Fathers, pg. 561, Cardinal JohnGibbons states, "But you may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation,and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday.The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we neversanctify."

Cardinal Gibbons sureis honest about this issue, but does that make the change right? No. It isclear that Saturday (7th Day) is the true Sabbath.

Let us examine yetanother source on this issue:

Our Sunday Visitor(February 5, 1950):
"Practicallyeverything Protestants regard as essential or important they have received fromthe Catholic Church... The Protestant mind does not seem to realize that inaccepting the Bible and observing the Sunday, in keeping Christmas and Easter,they are accepting the authority of the spokesman for the church, thePope."

It is ok to acceptthe Bible and the Bible alone, but Sunday or (the 1st Day of the week for thoseof you caught up on semantics) is not in the Bible, be it the Old or NewTestament.

How about these threesources:
Louis Gaston Segur, Plain Talk about the Protestantism of To-Day (London:Thomas Richardson and Son, 1874): 213:

"Thus theobservance of Sunday by the Protestants is a homage they pay, in spite ofthemselves, to the authority of the (Catholic) Church."

Catholic AmericanSentinel (June 1893):
"Sunday...It isa law of the Catholic Church alone…"

Catholic Record(September 1, 1923):
"The [catholic]Church is above the Bible, and this transference of the Sabbath observance isproof of that fact."

Point on! If youobserve Sunday, then you pay lip service to the authority of the Pope and PapalRome. (See above: Acts 5:29 "We ought to obey God rather than man.")

This one ought tomake the hair on the back of your neck stand up and tingle, read the following:

The Question Box,”The Catholic Universe Bulletin (August 14, 1942): 4:
"The (Catholic)Church changed the observance of the Sabbath to Sunday by right of the divine,infallible authority given to her by her Founder, Jesus Christ. The Protestantclaiming the Bible to be the only guide of faith, has no warrant for observingSunday. In this matter, the Seventh-day Adventist is the only consistentProtestant." NOTE: Notice how they state "...right of the divine,infallible authority given to her by...Jesus Christ." They didn't sayJesus authorized the Sabbath change, only that the Catholic church isexercising a so-called right granted to them by Jesus.

So in reading thispassage from the Catholic Universe Bulletin from 1942, they clearly state whythey [Catholics] observe the 1st day of the week or Sunday. But what rationaledo so-called Protestants have for observingSunday in place of the true Sabbath? None, unless they acknowledge thesupremacy and authority of the Pope! And if this is the case, then Protestantsmight just as well become Catholics.

Here is yet anothersource to ponder:

John A. O'Brien, TheFaith of Millions: the Credentials of the Catholic Religion Revised Edition(Our Sunday Visitor Publishing, 1974): 400-401:
"But sinceSaturday, not Sunday, is specified in the Bible, isn't it curious thatnon-Catholics, who claim to take their religion directly from the Bible and notfrom the Church, observe Sunday instead of Saturday? Yes, of course, it isinconsistent; but this change was made about fifteen centuries beforeProtestantism was born, and by that time the custom was universally observed.They have continued the custom even though it rests upon the authority of theCatholic Church and not upon and explicit text in the Bible. That observanceremains as a reminder of the Mother Church from which the non-Catholic sectsbroke away—like a boy running away from home but still carrying in his pocket apicture of his mother or a lock of her hair."

Not only do theCatholics actually admit to changing the 7th Day Sabbath to Sunday, they claimto have the authority to do so. And yet they make fun of Protestants for observing the Catholic "sabbath".

Keating, Karl (1988).Catholicism and Fundamentalism: The Attack on"Romanism" by "Bible Christians" pg.38
"It was theCatholic Church that decided Sunday should be the day of worship forChristians, in honor of the resurrection."

The Pope"claims" to be God.

Pope Leo XIII,Praeclara Gratulationis Publicae (The Reunion of Christendom), June 20, 1894: "Wehold upon this earth the place of God Almighty."

The Bible foretoldthis false claims would take place:
2 THESSALONIANS 2:4"Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or thatis worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himselfthat he is God."
Daniel 7:25 "Andhe shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saintsof the most High, and think to change times and laws…"

There is a differencebetween the law of Moses, and the everlasting Law of God. Most Christians will at least agree that 9Commandment are still valid, but how and when did the 4th Commandment become a"Jewish" thing that was done away with? How come as Christians, we refuse to accept the fact thatall of the 10 Commandment are still valid? They are either ALL valid orinvalid. (It is not algebra, where you isolate x to solve for y. You can'tisolate the 4th Commandment either.) It can not be both. We can't pick andchoose which ones we want to uphold, and which ones are too much of aninconvenience to our lifestyles to uphold.

Some of you willsay,"Oh but I will lose my $150k a year desk job" or " I won'tget hired into that cozy $150k a year desk job if I decide to obey God and keepthe Sabbath!" Take a stand, will you obey God, or are the treasures of lifemore important?

This sounds like thedilemma of the rich young ruler mentioned in the book of Luke. ( We also can read about theRich Young Ruler it in Matthew 19:18-24 and Mark 10:19-23).

Let's read thispassage in Luke 18:20-24 (look at verse 20-22)
"20 "Thou knowestthe commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do notbear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.
21 And he said, Allthese have I kept from my youth up.
22 Now when Jesusheard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all thatthou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure inheaven: and come, follow me.
23 And when he heardthis, he was very sorrowful: for he was very rich.
24 And when Jesus sawthat he was very sorrowful, he said, How hardly shall they that have richesenter into the kingdom of God!
25 For it is easierfor a camel to go through a needle's eye, than for a rich man to enter into thekingdom of God."

Two things areimportant to note about these few verses in Luke.
  • Jesus clearly reinforces the validity of the 10 Commandments by quoting 5 Commandments directly. Does that mean only those 5 are valid? Someone will say, "Ah yes, but he didn't mention the Sabbath day!" Yes, but he didn't mention "Thou shalt not take the Lord's name in vain" or "Thou shalt have no other gods before me" either, now did he? Does that make it ok to do so?
  • The love of riches and gain in this life by the Rich Young Ruler was more important than following Jesus. Note in verse 23 how the Young Ruler went away sad and not happy. Wealth won't bring happiness apparently. For even though the Young Ruler obeyed the 10 Commandments "...since his youth…", there was still something lacking in his life that only Jesus could see, which was the love of wealth. It is not wrong to be wealthy, but when it is all-consuming and surpasses your commitment to Jesus, then it becomes an obstacle or stumbling block to spiritual growth. Jesus sought to free the Young Ruler from this spiritual handicap.
Let'slook at a few more verses:
Matt13:22 "He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth theword; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke theword, and he becometh unfruitful."
Luke6:46 "Andwhy call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?"

Solet us not be one who just "…heareth the word…" but let all of usbe a doer of the word. James 1:22"But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your ownselves."
John13:17 "If ye know these things, happy are ye if ye do them."
John15:10 "If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as Ihave kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love."

Weare saved by grace and faith in Jesus, but "...faith without works isdead…"

Wedo not keep God's Law to be saved, we keep it because we are saved. Obedienceis a fruit of our salvation. Remember: A bad tree can not produce good fruit,nor a good tree bad fruit.
Matt12:33 “Either make the tree good and itsfruit good, or else make the tree bad and its fruit bad; for a tree is known byits fruit."

What does the NewTestament say about obeying God's 10 Commandments? Lets take a look.

Can God's

Old Testament References
"My covenantwill I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips." Psalm89:34
"Here is thepatience of the saints: here are those who keep the commandments of God and thefaith of Jesus." Revelation 14:12

What is sin according to the Bible?
"By the law isthe knowledge of sin."Romans 3:20
"Sin is thetransgression of the law. 1 John 3:4
"I had not knownsin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thoushalt not covet."Romans 7:7

So the Law gives usknowledge of sin. This is in reference to the 10th Commandment.
"For all havesinned, and come short of the glory of God." Romans 3:23
"All we likesheep have gone astray; We have turned, every one, to his ownway." Isaiah 53:6
"All Hiscommandments are sure. They stand fastfor ever and ever. Psalm 111:7,8
"For I am theLord, I change not." Malachi 3:6
"I delight to dothy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart." Psalm 40:8

God's Character is reflected in His Law
The Law is a Direct Reflection of God's Character


God is: The Law Is:

Luke18:19 GOOD Romans 7:12
Isaiah 5:16 HOLY Romans 7:12
Deuteronomy 43:4 JUST Romans 7:12

Matthew 5:48 PERFECT Psalm 19:7
1 John 4:8 LOVE Romans 13:10

Did Jesus keep the 10 Commandments?
"I have kept myFather's commandments.: John 15:10
"Who committedno sin, Nor was deceit found in His mouth." 1 Peter 2:22

What is the Punishment for Living a Life of Sin?
"The wages ofsin is death." Romans 6:23
Revelation 21:8"But the fearful, and unbelieving,and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, andidolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth withfire and brimstone: which is the second death."

Do the Ten Commandments Still Apply to New TestamentChristians?
"If thou wiltenter into life, keep the commandments." Matthew 19:17
"Blessed arethey that do His commandments."Revelation 22:14
"If ye love me,keep my commandments." John 14:15
"Therefor loveis the fulfilling of the law." Romans 13:10
"For if anyoneis a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man who looks at hisnatural face in a mirror; for once he has looked at himself andgone away, he has immediately forgotten what kind of person he was. Butone who looks intently at the perfect law, the law of liberty, andabides by it, not having become a forgetful hearer but an effectual doer, thisman will be blessed in what he does." James 1:23-25
"But thecowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, thosewho practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars--they will be consigned tothe fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death." Revelation 21:8

Jesus Gives Us a New Commandment, Where Did itOriginate?
"Jesusreplied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all yoursoul and with all your mind.’[a]38 This is the first and greatest commandment.39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor asyourself" Matthew 22:37-38

This can also found in the Old Testement:
Deuteronomy 6:5 "Youshall love the Lord yourGod with all your heart and with all your soul and with all yourmight."
Leviticus 19:18 "You shall nottake vengeance or bear a grudge against the sons of your own people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself:I am the Lord."

Jesus was quotedMoses. The 10 Commandments are the veryessence of these 2 commandments.

Is Obedience Necessary?
"Afterward Jesusfinds him in the temple, and said to him, Behold, you are made whole: sin nomore, lest a worse thing come to you." John 5:14
"She said, Noman, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin nomore." John 8:11

Here we read Jesusexhorting the woman to go and sin no more. Does his act of forgiveness permit us to continue to live in sin?Evidently not, or he would not have said, "...go, and sin no more." Jesus wished to free us from our sins, notfree us to live in our sins.

Regarding the oldproverb "Ignorance is bliss"

Ignorance is notbliss. The Law of God frees us fromignorance and
allows us to live in bliss.


All Thing Possible Through Christ.
"I can do allthings through Christ which strengtheneth me." Philippians 4:13

So it is by abidingand having faith in Christ that gives us the power to overcome sin. We must exercise faith and prayer daily.

Satan can tempt youto sin, but Jesus can keep you from sin if you will
cooperate by faith. "Ye are of God, little children, and have overcomethem: because greater is he that is in you, thanhe that is in the world." 1 John 4:4


Free To Break the Law Since We Are Under Grace? WhatDoes the Bible Say?
"What then?Shall we sin because we re not under the law, but under grace? Godforbid." Romans 6:15
"Do we then make void thelaw through faith? God forbid: Yea, we establish the law." Romans 3:31

We do not keep the law to besaved, rather we keep the law because we are saved.

We read in the bookof James..
"But someonewill say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith apart from yourworks, and I will show you my faith by my works. You believe that God is one;you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder! Do you want to be shown, youfoolish person, that faith apart from works is useless?" James 2:18-20

Even Billy Graham, aprominent Baptist Minister, states: "The Ten Commandments are just asvalid today as when God gave them to Moses over 3,000 years ago."

Can One be a True Christian without Obeying theCommandments?
"And hereby wedo know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments." 1 John 2:3
"He that saith,I know him, and keepeth not His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is notin Him." 1 John 2:4

So if we continue indisobedience to God's Law and we obey Man's law, then we are liars and thetruth is not in us. If your church body tells you that the 10 Commandments arenot valid, that obedience is not necessary, just believe, then you can be sure thatyou "know him not".

What Law was Nailed to the Cross?

We read in Colossians2:14 "Blotting outthe handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to His Cross"
"Now the tabletswere the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God engraved on thetablets." Exodus 32:16

This illustrates thatGod's own hand wrote the 10 Commandments.

"According tothe whole law AND the statutes and the ordinances by the hand ofMoses." 2 Chronicles 33:8

So the above verseindicates that Moses also had ordinances that he wrote.

This is what wasnailed to the cross, not the Law of God.

The 10 Commandmentswere placed inside of the Ark, whereas Moses's law was placed on the outside ofthe ark. See: Deut: 31:26
"Take this bookof the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD yourGod, That it may be there for a witness against thee." Deuteronomy 31:26

Jesus exhorts us torepent.

Rev 2:5 "Remembertherefore from where you are fallen, and repent, and do the first works; orelse I will come to you quickly, and will remove your candlestick out of hisplace, except you repent."

Would Jesus tell usto "...repent…" if all that was needed was faith?

Repentance must beimportant, or he would have not said so.

2 Timothy 3:5"Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turnaway."

John 2:3-6
"And hereby wedo know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

4 He that saith, Iknow him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not inhim.
5 But whoso keepethhis word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that weare in him.
6 He that saith heabideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked."

Can you as a Catholic Priest explain from the Bible and the Bible alone, where does the Sabbath change come from, and where does the doctrine of the dead (heaven, hell, or purgatory) come from?

Lastly on this topic, What does the Bible say regarding regarding image worship? Exodus 20:4 "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth"
1 Corinthians 10:14 "Therefore, my beloved, flee from idolatry."
So here we clearly read, and admonished against idol worship. Bowing down before statues, crosses, etc. And why? Not just because the Bible explicitly says so, but these are all images made by human hands to replicate God, and or his creation. We are not to do this.

Roman CatholicReferences: (Decretal De Translat Espiscop> Cap.) "The Pope has powerto change times, to abrogate laws, and to dispense with all things even theprecepts of Christ.

The Roman"Decretalia"

He can pronouncesentences and judgements in contradiction to the rights of nations, to the lawof God and man...He can free himself from the commands of the apostles, hebeing their superior, and from the rules of the old testament. (Decretal, deTranslat. Episcop, Cap.)

"The Pope's willstands for reason. He can dispense above the Law; and of wrong make right, bycorrecting and changing laws." PopeNicholas, Dist. 96, Quoted in "Facts for the Times." pp 55,56. 1893.

2 Thessalonians 2:3-4

He is referred to asthe "man of sin". So what is Sin?

  • What is Sin
1 John 3:4 "Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law; for sin isthe transgression of the law."

Notice how theCatholic Church leaves out the whole 2nd Commandment. It has to do with image worship and bowingdown to graven images (both prohibited).

They insert the 3rdCommandments as found in the Bible in place with the 2nd Commandment, albeitabbreviated.

The 4th Commandmentis simply reduced to just reading as "Remember to keep holy the Lord'sday."

Father McGuire's NewBaltimore catechism and Mass of 1949: It bears, amongst others, the imprimaturof Francis Cardinal Spellman, Archbishop of New York McGuire's version is"Remember thou keep holy the Lord's day." To the children and othersfor whom this Catechism is intended, this is explained by means of thefollowing questions and answers:
  • What is the third commandment of God? The trhird [sic] commandment of God is: Remember thou keep holy the Lord's day."
  • Why does the Church command us to keep Sunday as the Lord's day? The Church commands us to keep Sunday as the Lord's day, because on Sunday Christ rose from the dead, and on Sunday the Holy Ghost descended upon the Apostles.
  • What are we commanded by the third commandment? By the third commandment, we are commanded to worship God in a special manner on Sunday, the Lord's day.
  • How does the Church command us to worship God on Sunday? The Church commands us to worship God on Sunday by assisting at the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.
MichaelA. McGuire, (Father McGuire's) The New Baltimore Catechism and Mass (OfficialRevised Edition. New Yourk: Benziger Brothers, 1949),

They take the 10thCommandment and divide it into two, so that they have 10 Commandments insteadof 9.

Note: By the"trhid" [sic] Commandment, he is actually refering to the 4thCommandment.

Priest Mo, it is time for you to fall on your feet at the cross of Jesus, repent of your sins, and claim the promise of salvation by faith in Jesus. Spread the T-R-U-T-H about the gospel of Christ to others, and renounce the fallacy and hypocrisy of Catholicism.

P.S. I can not call you "Father". For there is only one Father which is in Heaven.
Matt 23:9 "And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven."

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Default Re: Why Roman Catholic Papists Are NOT Christians - 02-17-2018, 07:47 PM

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The roman catholic "Church" is Not Christian. I want you all to understand this.

Practically all precepts of the papists contradict the Bible repeatedly. It is the largest cult in the world and most preachers will not openly say so because it is so large. For catholics who read this, please remember this: the person that tells you the truth is the one that cares. Jesus wants you to quit kissing those rings, and instead become washed clean in His Blood!

For a glimpse of the atrocities committed by the catholic cult, do a net search on the Inquisition or the Crusades. During the Inquisition, the catholics religion killed millions. Why? Primarily to suppress any and all opposition to the pope. Side "benefits" included taking the material wealth of its victims and showing the pope's power. The papist Inquisitors tortured, crippled, burned, and imprisioned millions of people. Whatever happened to love your enemies? (Matthew 5:44)

Before we get to specific problems with catholic doctrine, let's review how this bloodthirsty organization treated a man who simply wanted to get the Bible into the hands of the common people. In the late 1300s John Wycilf translated the scriptures from the Latin Vulgate. Some 40 odd years after his death, the catholic "religion" dug up his bones and burned them calling him an arch-heretick. In the 1500's William Tyndale sought to translate the Bible into the language of the common people, English. He could not gain approval from the catholic pope so he worked as an outlaw on the run in Europe, translating the Bible. He was eventually captured, condemned and executed in 1536. It is because of people like these men, Tyndale and Wycliffe, that we have the scriptures today. If the papists had their way, we'd still be in ignorance about the Bible and enslaved to the pope. Time fails me here to tell of other marytrs like John Hus, John Rogers, etc. who were killed by popish thugs.

I'll list the catholic tradition first and then what the Bible has to say about the matter.


* * * *
CATHOLIC TRADITION - Call priests father, e.g., Father McKinley.

WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS -

Matthew 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
* * * *
CATHOLIC TRADITION - Forbidding the priesthood to marry.

WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS -

1) It is devilish to forbid God's people to marry when He has given marriage to be received with thanksgiving.

1 Timothy
4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.


2) Peter was married (remember the pope is supposedly continuing the apostolic line through Peter).

Matthew
8:14 And when Jesus was come into Peter's house, he saw his wife's mother laid, and sick of a fever.

Mark
1:30 But Simon's wife's mother lay sick of a fever, and anon they tell him of her.

Luke
4:38 And he arose out of the synagogue, and entered into Simon's house. And Simon's wife's mother was taken with a great fever; and they besought him for her.


3) Paul, a great apostle, remained single; however he made it very clear that he could marry if he wanted to.

1 Corinthians
9:5 Have we not power to lead about a sister, a wife, as well as other apostles, and as the brethren of the Lord, and Cephas?


* * * *
CATHOLIC TRADITION - Mary never had other children after the Lord Jesus. A perpetual virgin.

WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS - Mary and Joseph indeed had children. They were the Lord's half brothers and sisters for their father was Joseph and mother was Mary.

Matthew
13:55 Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?
13:56 And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?
Mark
6:3 Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.


* * * *
CATHOLIC TRADITION - Mary is the queen of heaven.

WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS - Worshipping the queen of heaven (which is not the Mary of the Bible) is worshipping another god and it provokes the Lord to anger.

Jeremiah
7:17 Seest thou not what they do in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem?
7:18 The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger.
7:19 Do they provoke me to anger? saith the LORD: do they not provoke themselves to the confusion of their own faces?

* * * *
CATHOLIC TRADITION - Mary is the mother of God.

WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS - Mary is the mother of the earthly Jesus, not God. Jesus pre- existed from everlasting as God (see John 1:1). When He came to redeem mankind, He laid aside His glory and was made like unto sinful man so that He could take our punishment (Hebrew 2:9). God has no mother. He has lived from everlasting which means He had no beginning.

Isaiah
43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. [If Mary gave birth to God, she'd be God.]
Psalm
93:2 Thy throne is established of old: thou art from everlasting.

Micah
5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler [Jesus] in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

Philippians
2:6 Who [Jesus], being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:


* * * *
CATHOLIC TRADITION - Pope called Holy Father.

WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS - The term Holy Father is only found one time in the entire Bible. It was when Jesus prayed before He and His disciples went to the garden of Gethsemane. He referred to God the Father as Holy Father. It is blasphemy to call a man by God's name

John
17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

* * * *
CATHOLIC TRADITION - Purgatory, nuns, popes.

WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS - None of these is mentioned in the Bible. It is a sin to add to the Bible.

Proverbs
30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.


The pope is a man who takes upon himself honor which belongs to no human being. Even the very name by which he allows himself to be called (Holy Father) is highly presumptuous and blasphemous (see above).

One does not need the pope to determine what God's will is. The Bible says that God has given the Holy Ghost to each believer and that He (the Holy Ghost) guides and leads us into all truth. All a believer needs is the Bible and the Holy Ghost to know the will of the Lord. Popery has been treacherous, but worse, each pope has been the blind leading the blind. Jesus said that both will fall into the ditch. Catholics, come out of this system that cannot save and know Jesus for youself, intimate and up-close.

NOTE: Purgatory is supposedly a place where a person is purified of sins--even popes supposedly go there. The Bible says that Jesus Christ is the one that purifies us of our sins.

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus.... When a person dies their eternal home is sealed--heaven or hell--no in between. Hebrews 9:27 ...it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment.

* * * *
CATHOLIC TRADITION - Venerating/worshipping images. Pope bows to statues of Mary, people worship the eucharist and have statues/candles in their homes and churches.

WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS - It is idolatry to venerate images. We are not even supposed to make them.

Exodus
20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God...

* * * *
CATHOLIC TRADITION - The mass. Through transubstantiation, the wafer/host and the wine supposedly become the actual blood and body of Jesus Christ when the priest prays over them.

WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS - Jesus died once for sins, never to be repeated. He sits on the right hand of God and does not reappear in the mass as a mass of blood and flesh.

Hebrews
10:12 But this man [Jesus], after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
10:13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
10:15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
10:18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
John
19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

1 Corinthians
11:24 And when he [Jesus] had given thanks, he brake it [bread], and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
11:25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
11:26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come
(not for the forgiveness of sins or to receive Jesus).

* * * *
CATHOLIC TRADITION - Saved, in part, by good works.

WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS - Good works are the fruits that grow out of being saved. They do not make you saved. An apple does not make its tree an apple tree, it was already an apple tree before any apples appeared. When you see the apples; however, you know what kind of tree it is. If a person is saved, he will shew forth good works because he has the spirit of Christ in him. The good works don't make him saved only the blood of Jesus can do that.

I John
1:7b ...the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
Acts 16:31b
...believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved.

Romans
3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.


What about James 2:20 "faith without works is dead"?

The kind of faith that saves is a faith that shows forth the works of God. Even devils believe in Jesus and tremble (James 2:19). Many people believe in Jesus but they won't follow Him. They have a faith, but not the kind that saves. If a person has true faith in Jesus, the Holy Ghost dwells in him and will cause good works will show forth in his life. The good works confirm the faith by which the person was saved. James 2:21-23 uses Abraham as an example. Abraham believed God so when God asked him to sacrifice his son Isaac, Abraham, out of his faith in God, offered up Isaac.


* * * *
CATHOLIC TRADITION - The church is founded on Peter.

WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS - Jesus Christ is the foundation of the church. Peter was a man like you and me. Jesus called Peter Satan in Matthew 16:23 when Peter rebuked Jesus dying. When Cornelius tried to worship Peter, Peter responded, "Stand up; I myself also am a man." (Acts 10:26). The pope needs to remember Acts 10:26 when he has men bowing to him and kissing his hand like he is worthy of worship.

1 Corinthians
3:11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
Matthew
21:42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected [Jesus], the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?

* * * *
CATHOLIC TRADITION - Confessing sins to a priest. Petitioning saints and Mary.

WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS - We are to confess our sins and needs to God alone.

I John
1:9 If we confess our sins, he [God] is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Matthew
6:9, 12 After this manner...pray ye: Our Father... forgive us....

1 Timothy
2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus [not Mary, not saints, not priests, not the pope];

I John 2:1, ...And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.

* * * *
There are many other scriptures that could have been used here to testify against the doctrines of the catholic cult. There are also many other doctrines of the catholic cult which could have been refuted (e.g. the sacraments, receiving the Holy Ghost, salvation through the catholic religion, penance, rosary, etc.).

* * * *
The catholic cult has a history of taking the money of poor widows in order to say masses for the dead (which do no good) and collecting the material possessions of nuns. In Italy, the heart of papism, there is an often used saying that goes, "Without money, they don't sing the mass." That is really pitiful on several fronts--1) mass is blasphemous and people who trust in it are hell-bound 2) there's no such thing as purgatory and 3) the gift of God is without price.

Roman mary worship today is probably the wealthiest government/tax-free corporation in the world. It owns a good share of America's hospitals and has healthy real estate interests. The bottom line is, if you want to get right with God, you have to go through His Son, Jesus Christ, not the Whore of Babylon (aka the catholic "church").

Praise Jesus!





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Yikes! All that white space puts me in mind of those lawyers who walk into courtrooms with stacks of nonsense (or just plain blank) papers to make it seem like they have a whole lot of information to bolster their case.

What they have is a whole lotta nothin'.


One of the brothers, (or possibly our extrordinary Pastor Zeke himself) will be along shortly to rebuke you for wasting precious bandwidth. . . and space, oxygen and organic molecules.


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Whenever I see a post that exposes papists as false and faithless, I want to shout HURRAY! I did not know Jesus Christ as He truly is until I wandered into these forums, a lost, ring-kissing fraud of a Christian, and was taught the TRUTH of the King James Bible.


Prior to becoming a Baptist, I was about as Christian as that charlatan who takes more pride in jet planes than leading his flock. I was about as Christian as that FAKE who cares more about money than preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ! I was about as devout as that money-grubbing preacher with a worldwide ministry who uses his website and megachurch to fill his pockets with cash.


Would you rather follow THOSE heathens or our own Ezekiel Flint? I think the answer should be obvious. I pray that papists everywhere will flock to the nearest Baptist congregation and find JESUS and then begin tithing to Landover since it is the only way to guarantee Salvation®.


Proverbs 21:31 KJV 1611:
“The horse is prepared against the day of battell: but safetie is of the Lord.”

Lord, may I serve my equine brothers and sisters just as I do my fellow man.
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That must've been some task, I nodded off less than ½way through as it was, the text hardly being anything I'd not seen 100 times before. And responded to.

Firstly, How do these Adventist heretics know that the Christian's first-day-of-the-week was not the former seventh-day-of-the-week? They would need to count the hours from Jesus' crucifixion to His resurrection AND show from which hour they started counting. Somewhere along the line we've moved from sunset to midnight as the click-over point but it could just as easily have been dawn if the Resurrection is used as a calendric marker. In any case a Church service commenced after sunset on the 7th day would be occurring on the 1st day of course, according to the Jewish calendar back then, but since that calendar is no longer in use the onus is on them to show the correlation since they're the ones making the claim.

Secondly, as I've posted numerous times before, according to the International Standard calendar, Sunday is the 7th day of the week. But do I ask why they meet on the 6th day? No. Because I am not an idiot. Here is an ISO calendar:


The last time I posted one of these, our heretic visitor pronounced an opinion "that I'd just looked up a Monday calendar on the internet" which is true except for the detail that I knew what I was requesting and that this is the international standard. And a "Monday calendar" is actually something else. But counting is not the strong suit here, is it. There is another point too, actually the 4th detail, concerning where you start your meeting. As the sun moves across the sky its light is strongest at different places at different times. Where do you start counting from? The very first sunset would need to be shown with a specific date to start counting from and that occurred on Creation Day 4.

Genesis 1:14-19 God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years..And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth..And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

Alert readers will notice, however, that evenings and mornings were occurring well before the sun was available. They were there right from Creation Day 1.

Genesis 1:1-13 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth..and God said, Let there be light: and there was light..and the evening and the morning were the first day..And God made the firmament..and the evening and the morning were the second day. And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so..And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind..and the evening and the morning were the third day.

Creation Day 1 is where God started counting from as is manifestly self-evident from Genesis 2:2-3 so which day is now the 7th day? Pedantic heretics, especially those who claim that God was lying when He handed down Colossians 2:16, need to show their reasoning regarding all these points which are in addition to those I raised HERE but as yet they have not done so. Then there's the sun itself. According to the system proposed by Adventists, as the sun moves across the sky its light brightens the day at different times in different countries. Not wishing to ignore this detail I've also found a calendar from another region. Here it is:


You will notice that both of these follow the international standard. There are other standards, one of which is the Monday calendar that's used for determining week numbers & linked HERE. I look forward to all (or any) of these details being answered because if I'm mistaken I rely on those better informed to correct me. Remember to accommodate the fact that Day 1 commenced with an evening. But just making up a calendar with its 7th day falling on your preferred day doesn't cut the mustard I'm afraid.
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Default Re: Why Roman Catholic Papists Are NOT Christians - 02-26-2018, 02:36 PM

I am sick and tired of explaining that Sunday is “the Sabbath” and the last day of the week - the Bible proves it.

Ge:1:31: And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
Ge:2:1: Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Ge:2:2: And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Ge:2:3: And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.


The Sabbath is first mentioned by Moses in Exodus
Ex:16:23: And he said unto them, This is that which the LORD hath said, To morrow is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the LORD: bake that which ye will bake to day, and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning.
Ex:16:25: And Moses said, Eat that to day; for to day is a sabbath unto the LORD: to day ye shall not find it in the field.
Ex:16:26: Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none.

We know from the original work “Annalium pars posterior”, published in 1654 by Archbishop Ussher who, in his own words established the time and date of the final act of creation as

"the entrance of the night preceding the 23rd day of October... the year before Christ 4004";

that is, The Lord finished around 6 pm on Saturday 22 October 4004 BC according to the proleptic Julian calendar.

As 23nd of October 4004BC was a Sunday, then it follows, as sinner will follow the path of unrighteousness, that Sunday is the Sabbath and anything else is an abominable heresy in the Eyes of The Lord. The Jews have gotten it all wrong, but as they are Damned for other reasons, this is a minor matter.

The only point possible for discussion is whether sundown starts a new day or whether the day starts at midnight.

The Bible says in Mark 15:25 crucifixion takes place at the third hour (9 a.m.) and Jesus' death at the ninth hour (3 p.m.). However, in John 19:14 Jesus is still before Pilate at the sixth hour.

The indication here is that the Sabbath starts at sundown - however, please note that John appears to be 9 hours behind Mark. This is simply because the Romans started their day at midnight.

Do we follow the Romans, or do we follow the Jews?

Nobody follows the Jews - the Romans eventually accepted Chirst - you have your answer!




Ec:7:16: Be not righteous over much; neither make thyself over wise: why shouldest thou destroy thyself?

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