[Levi Jones]

Re: This is why Freehold is a Right to Smoke City

These are completely different subjects. You stated yesterday that God uses spirits to create evil as God does not create evil Himself.

I never said He didn't create evil. He clearly did as Isaiah 45:7 states.

This question is, are all sicknesses caused by Sin? I think you know what I'm getting at. For instance, if I have a child who's born with a disability, does that mean that I sinned or did the child sin?

I hope this clears it up.

Exodus 34:5,7
And the LORD descended in the cloud, and stood with him there, and proclaimed the name of the LORD.
Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.

John 9:1-3
And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.
And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?
Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.

James 5:15
And the prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well; the Lord will raise him up. If he has sinned, he will be forgiven.

1 Corinthians 11:29-30
For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

Romans 5:12
Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Deuteronomy 28:58-61
If thou wilt not observe to do all the words of this law that are written in this book, that thou mayest fear this glorious and fearful name, THE LORD THY GOD;
Then the LORD will make thy plagues wonderful, and the plagues of thy seed, even great plagues, and of long continuance, and sore sicknesses, and of long continuance.
Moreover he will bring upon thee all the diseases of Egypt, which thou wast afraid of; and they shall cleave unto thee.
Also every sickness, and every plague, which is not written in the book of this law, them will the LORD bring upon thee, until thou be destroyed.

[Robert Jones]

Re: This is why Freehold is a Right to Smoke City

Not every case of sickness is the result of sin. Sometimes it's God's way of glorifying Himself:

John 9:1-3: And as [Jesus] passed by, he saw a man which was blind from [his] birth And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind? Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.

But for the most part it's sin:

Deut. 28:58-61: If thou wilt not observe to do all the words of this law that are written in this book, that thou mayest fear this glorious and fearful name, THE LORD THY GOD; Then the LORD will make thy plagues wonderful, and the plagues of thy seed, [even] great plagues, and of long continuance, and sore sicknesses, and of long continuance. Moreover he will bring upon thee all the diseases of Egypt, which thou wast afraid of; and they shall cleave unto thee. Also every sickness, and every plague, which [is] not written in the book of this law, them will the LORD bring upon thee, until thou be destroyed.

These are wise and insightful words of wisdom. So God may choose to give someone who smokes cancer in order to glorify His mighty power, or He may also give someone who smokes cancer simply for being sinful? Or do you cast out every person from LBC who gets sick and who doesn't get well?

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: This is why Freehold is a Right to Smoke City

These are completely different subjects. You stated yesterday that God uses spirits to create evil as God does not create evil Himself. This question is, are all sicknesses caused by Sin? I think you know what I'm getting at. For instance, if I have a child who's born with a disability, does that mean that I sinned or did the child sin?

Both, you sinned and your child is going to sin. When the Lord is in a smiting mood He don't mess around. Just ask the people of Chile, New Orleans, Haiti, Bahia California and Indonesia about that. Our loving savior blows His stack at you, they are going to scrape you off the ground like a crushed maggot.

You see God is all knowing, so He knows when He creates someone that they are going to be sinning scum. Since God respects free will He doesn't just destroy that soul but pre-smites it with deformities and they damns it to Hell when it dies a short, miserable life. So quit blaming God for your problems sinner.

[Robert Jones]

Re: This is why Freehold is a Right to Smoke City

Both, you sinned and your child is going to sin. When the Lord is in a smiting mood He don't mess around. Just ask the people of Chile, New Orleans, Haiti, Bahia California and Indonesia about that. Our loving savior blows His stack at you, they are going to scrape you off the ground like a crushed maggot.

You see God is all knowing, so He knows when He creates someone that they are going to be sinning scum. Since God respects free will He doesn't just destroy that soul but pre-smites it with deformities and they damns it to Hell when it dies a short, miserable life. So quit blaming God for your problems sinner.

This is a good way to put it. If today, a tornado came and wiped out Freehold wiping out half of the population, would it be that half that were not True Christan's?

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: This is why Freehold is a Right to Smoke City

This is a good way to put it. If today, a tornado came and wiped out Freehold wiping out half of the population, would it be that half that were not True Christan's?

Freehold does not have a half that is not True Christian™. Also Freehold is protected by Jesus so it will never get hit by a tornado.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: This is why Freehold is a Right to Smoke City

This is a good way to put it. If today, a tornado came and wiped out Freehold wiping out half of the population, would it be that half that were not True Christan's?

If that happened, yes. But I guarantee you no tornado or any other natural disaster has ever hit Freehold, Iowa.

That is why we are the only TRUE Christians friend.

[Robert Jones]

Re: This is why Freehold is a Right to Smoke City

Freehold does not have a half that are not True Christian™. Also Freehold is protected by Jesus so it will never get hit by a tornado.

God doesn't always protect Christians though, how many of the Apostles were killed for their faith? I don't want to get into a debate about this. Really the reason I responded to this post was that I was always raised to treat my body as a temple so that's why I abstain from sex before marriage, smoking, eating unhealthy, drinking alcohol, not exercising, swearing. All of these things pollute the body. Am I wrong for following the way I was raised?

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: This is why Freehold is a Right to Smoke City

These are wise and insightful words of wisdom. So God may choose to give someone who smokes cancer in order to glorify His mighty power, or He may also give someone who smokes cancer simply for being sinful? Or do you cast out every person from LBC who gets sick and who doesn't get well?

God may also give cancer to someone who doesn't smoke, because He wants to demonstrate the power of prayer in healing. Or to test the person. Or to win a bet with Satan.

This is a good way to put it. If today, a tornado came and wiped out Freehold wiping out half of the population, would it be that half that were not True Christan's?

It could be there are a few who claim to be True Christians(tm) but are not. They would be the ones harmed.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: This is why Freehold is a Right to Smoke City

I don't want to get into a debate about this.

Then why are you posting provocative messages?

Really the reason I responded to this post was that I was always raised to treat my body as a temple so that's why I abstain from sex before marriage, smoking, eating unhealthy, drinking alcohol, not exercising, swearing. All of these things pollute the body. Am I wrong for following the way I was raised?

I don't think so. Did your raising include the KJV1611 Holy Bible?

[Robert Jones]

Re: This is why Freehold is a Right to Smoke City

Then why are you posting provocative messages?

I don't think so. Did your raising include the KJV1611 Holy Bible?

My parents taught me to read out of a KJV Study Bible. I'm still a little foggy on the 1611 as the scanned version of the 1611 Bible is rather difficult to read, and I don't see anyone actually quoting scripture from the 1611 version. The Bible I learned does have the same wording as the quotes LBC members use. However, I humbly admit I only have 26 books of the Bible memorized instead of the whole thing.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: This is why Freehold is a Right to Smoke City

My parents taught me to read out of a KJV Study Bible. I'm still a little foggy on the 1611 as the scanned version of the 1611 Bible is rather difficult to read, and I don't see anyone actually quoting scripture from the 1611 version. The Bible I learned does have the same wording as the quotes LBC members use. However, I humbly admit I only have 26 books of the Bible memorized instead of the whole thing.

Well, it sounds at least as if you are on the right way to memorizing the entire KJV1611 Holy Bible.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: This is why Freehold is a Right to Smoke City

My parents taught me to read out of a KJV Study Bible. I'm still a little foggy on the 1611 as the scanned version of the 1611 Bible is rather difficult to read, and I don't see anyone actually quoting scripture from the 1611 version. The Bible I learned does have the same wording as the quotes LBC members use. However, I humbly admit I only have 26 books of the Bible memorized instead of the whole thing.

Friend,
There are several online versions of the 1611.

http://bible.org/

Is a good place.