I humbly submit an opinion.

[Randolph Randleheim]

This is only my opinion, but I feel it is something worthy of thought.

The KJV you all so devotedly swear upon was translated for King James by a bunch of scribes who were more interested in not having various parts of their anatomy removed by larged bladed devices at King James's whim than they were in accuracy of their transcriptions. Therefore, we may assume that the KJV is flawed at the base level and suspect in totality. They translated it with an eye for pleasing King James (and keeping their heads attached to their bodies) and not for pleasing God.


Flame away

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: I humbly submit an opinion.

This is only my opinion, [...]They translated it with an eye for pleasing King James (and keeping their heads attached to their bodies) and not for pleasing God.

You do the work and come back with some research. The "opinions" so-called of unsaved trash are ten a penny.

I don't "flame"; I ban.

[Brother V]

Re: I humbly submit an opinion.

This is only my opinion, but I feel it is something worthy of thought.

The KJV you all so devotedly swear upon was translated for King James by a bunch of scribes who were more interested in not having various parts of their anatomy removed by larged bladed devices at King James's whim than they were in accuracy of their transcriptions. Therefore, we may assume that the KJV is flawed at the base level and suspect in totality. They translated it with an eye for pleasing King James (and keeping their heads attached to their bodies) and not for pleasing God.


Flame away

What part of the King James Version of the Bible do you have issues with?

Is it the Old Testament?

Because if you remember, the KJV came out in 1611. It's now 2009. That would give someone 398 years to complain about it being inaccurate. Have you heard a lot of Jews complain about the accuracy of the Old Testament contained in the KJV1611?

I just did a google search for

jewish complaints about kjv 1611

and there are only 20,900 results. Friend, that's not very many.

I just did a search for

are catholics christians

and there are only 163,000,000 results. That's One Hundred Sixty Three MILLION results.

So, there are less results complaining about the accuracy of the Old Testament, than wondering if Catholics are Christians.

So then, unless you are in a tiny minority, you don't have a problem with the Old Testament, you have a problem with the New Testament.

I don't see how anyone could have a problem with the translation of the New Testament because that was in Greek and came from the Textus Receptus.

So, lets try to see what your problem is:

1. For the past 400 (ish) years the entirety of Jews haven't had a problem with the Old Testament translation in the KJV1611.

2. The translators who did the NT did it from the Textus Receptus, and they knew Greek pretty good.

So what is your problem, that no one else has problems with?

FYI, A google search of

Problems with the kjv 1611

turns up 20,100 results.

So what is your problem?

YIC
V

[Talitha]

Re: I humbly submit an opinion.

It's people who "humbly submit an opinion" such as this which leads us Christians to be so persecuted.

Now, if you were to Google "persecution of Christians" you get: Results 1 - 10 of about 2,490,000 for persecution of christians

Yes, that is TWO MILLION FOUR HUNDRED AND NINETY THOUSAND HITS!!

Why, oh why do people do this to us?

Jesus Weeps.

[Randolph Randleheim]

Re: I humbly submit an opinion.

Now I'm not about to say the bible is completely in error, nor am I a proponent of atheism, however, it is without debate that the printed words we take as God's Word have man's fingerprints ALL over them. One wonders, no?

[Gabriel Reproba]

Re: I humbly submit an opinion.

Now I'm not about to say the bible is completely in error, nor am I a proponent of atheism, however, it is without debate that the printed words we take as God's Word have man's fingerprints ALL over them. One wonders, no?

No, one does not wonder.

And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:


That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

2Tim. 3:15-17

And

Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.

Mark 13:31

Any questions?

[Randolph Randleheim]

Re: I humbly submit an opinion.

Yes. How many iterations of scripture were there before those quotes became the accepted versions of those verses?

[Brother V]

Re: I humbly submit an opinion.

Yes. How many iterations of scripture were there before those quotes became the accepted versions of those verses?

I suppose you are asking NT and not OT, since the OT phase of your question has already been debunked.

The New Testament in the KJV1611 comes from the Textus Receptus. Published by a guy name Erasmus who started his work in 1512. So from 1512-1611 there weren't that many different iterations.

YIC
V

[Randolph Randleheim]

Re: I humbly submit an opinion.

1512, is what, 1500 years since Christ and lord knows how many since the first versions of the OT? Thats a lot of time for a lot of different people to have their way with it.

[Gabriel Reproba]

Re: I humbly submit an opinion.

Thats a lot of time for a lot of different people to have their way with it.

I won't stand someone coming in here and using subtle innuendo to hint that people may have been fornicating with the Good Book! You are way out of line!

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: I humbly submit an opinion.

1512, is what, 1500 years since Christ and lord knows how many since the first versions of the OT? Thats a lot of time for a lot of different people to have their way with it.

And do you doubt God's divine ability to ensure that His Holy Word is produced without error? Do you doubt that He Himself dictated each and every word of the KJV1611 Bible?

Read THIS for more.

I'm wondering what your point is, Poindexter. Are you here to cast doubt and sow discord?

We're here to uplift Christ.

[Brother V]

Re: I humbly submit an opinion.

1512, is what, 1500 years since Christ and lord knows how many since the first versions of the OT? Thats a lot of time for a lot of different people to have their way with it.

Friend, if you don't believe in God, there's no point in trying to convince you of how wrong you are.

This is what I believe.

My God is all powerful.

My God doesn't make mistakes (unless He wants to).

My God has given us 1 book (one and only one) to let us know of his divine nature.

My God is powerful enough to ensure that his word in that one book, is the words he wants us to read.

Unless you believe that last thing (like I do), then there's no amount of convincing I could even try to do to get you to believe the same things as me.

Have you considered what Isaiah 20:4 has to do with the subject, once you have pondered that, get back with me.

YIC
V

[Randolph Randleheim]

Re: I humbly submit an opinion.

And do you doubt God's divine ability to ensure that His Holy Word is produced without error?

No sir, I doubt MAN's ability. Because at last count, God was running zero printing presses and Man was running ALL printing presses. Although, I do find it quaint and mildly amusing that you can so easily take at face value the printed word of 2000ish years ago. Most would agree that you can't even believe 95% of the printed word from yesterday.

Believe what you will, but I am not here to 'sow dischord' as you put it. Merely interested in a conversation about point of view.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: I humbly submit an opinion.

No sir, I doubt MAN's ability. Because at last count, God was running zero printing presses and Man was running ALL printing presses.[...]

And God runs the world and all that is in it. So your point would be?

[Nobar King]

Re: I humbly submit an opinion.

Most would agree that you can't even believe 95% of the printed word from yesterday.

That's not true. There's no study and no way to quantify how much of what's printed is true or not.

The real quote is: You can't believe everything you read unless it's in the Bible. Most people don't know the full expression because atheist subversives have managed to ruin it for the rest of us.

If the Bible is as bad as you suggest, what do you offer as an alternative? Old Star Trek scripts?