[Didymus Much]

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... People cannot control who they are attracted to...

But they CAN control where they put their doodles.

One of the most curious things I discovered when I read the Bible, is that in that Book, heterosexual urges are condemned:

Proverbs 6:25 "Lust not after her beauty in thine heart; neither let her take thee with her eyelids.

Matthew 5:28 "But I say to you, That whoever looks on a woman to lust after her has committed adultery with her already in his heart."

yet there are no equivalent passages for homosexual tendencies. Instead, the ACT of homosexual love is condemned (the verses in question need not be repeated for the umpteenth time in this thread).

So go ahead and feel that drive. But beware, if you act on it, God will not approve (no matter what some so-called "Christians" may tell you), and orders your painful gruesome death at the hands of those who believe in His Word.

Now, if you feel the need to claim that the urges are irresistible, that you can't help acting on those impulses, please do me and everyone here the favour of explaining how you are not an apologist for NAMBLA and the Catholic Church.

Thanks, and have a great day!

[Catherine Moore]

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yet there are no equivalent passages for homosexual tendencies.

At the risk of appearing a feminazi, I just want to point out that a lot of those passages do actually condemn homosexual urges - or at least half of them.

Let us not forget that women are just as capable of being hated by God for being homosexual as men and, as those passages make clear, its actually easier for them (as women are more inherantly sinful)

[Didymus Much]

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At the risk of appearing a feminazi, I just want to point out that a lot of those passages do actually condemn homosexual urges - or at least half of them...

I'm quite willing to admit that I've made a mistake or misunderstood (especially when it comes to the Bible, as the Bible itself says that I, an a non-believer, cannot hope to understand it at all), but I would really appreciate it if you could point out where my mistake is (as none of the Pastors here have done so when I raised this point in other threads).

If you want to claim that Matthew 5:28 also applies to women (that they also should not look upon other women with lust in their hearts), I will counter with the fact that the Bible was written to men only, and that women were to listen to their husbands for instruction in all silence and subjection.

[AngelofHate, Poser and a fake]

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Yes

It

Is.

God made you in His image in order to be fruitful and multiply. Not to stick your todger in another man's bumhole and pretend you are procreating for perverse gratification. I assure you that if I for one second wanted to do that I would fight the urge with every fibre of my being in the same way as I had to learn not to steal form the cookie jar by getting a damned good thrashing. Children are not beaten enough for being effeminate: that's the problem!

Alright. Prove to me that homosexuality is a choice then....

[Catherine Moore]

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Angelo - this has been done several times now. God hates homosexuality. God created you. As God hates homosexuality, He is not going to create a homosexual. Therefore, you were not born homosexual.

Didymus - An intersting point, and not one I'd heard before. Philemon is pretty clearly addressed to (among others) a female but I guess its possible other books aren't and Philemon isn't overly relevant here.

Matthew 5:28 obviously doesn't apply to women - "with her in HIS heart" - but I can't see any reason some of the others don't. Granted its possible (although calling it a fact - given comments you've made in other threads - seems a little extreme. Got citations?) that the Bible was meant to be read solely by men (with the exception of Philemon) but there's nothing I can see to take your implicit second step that that means the law doesn't apply to women.

[Redeemed Papist]

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Alright. Prove to me that homosexuality is a choice then....

You really are a cloth eared twit, aren't you.

If God says it's a choice it's a choice.

[Bobby-Joe]

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Alright. Prove to me that homosexuality is a choice then....

Are you a dog that you act on impulse with no self control?

Keep in mind Homosexuals have it easy under Gods' law. As long as the Homosexual doesn't act out his unnatural impulses God is happy. With the heterosexuals they can't even think have having sex with a woman unless they are full intending to impregnate her.

[AngelofHate, Poser and a fake]

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Choice?
Saying people who "choose" to be gay, is to say people who are "straight" are not really saying they're attracted to the opposite sex, they are just choosing to be straight.

[Redeemed Papist]

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Choice?
Saying people who "choose" to be gay, is to say people who are "straight" are not really saying they're attracted to the opposite sex, they are just choosing to be straight.

But we ARE choosing to be straight.

[AngelofHate, Poser and a fake]

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But we ARE choosing to be straight.

Still, your sexuality is not a choice... Everything in your lifetime comes naturally.

[Redeemed Papist]

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Still, your sexuality is not a choice... Everything in your lifetime comes naturally.

Scroll up - read posts.

If I was remotely interested in sucking another man's love stick I would seek solace in the Lord's writings and resist the urge. It's the same as we are tempted to steal and if we do wrong we are rightly punished.

Are you saying that men who rape because they feel the urge are to be indulged? It's the same thing. Gay sex is spiritual rape because you condemn the person you sex it up with to Hell along with you. Every time you seduce some man to lie down with you as a woman you lead Him into Hell. It's a disgrace.

[AngelofHate, Poser and a fake]

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Scroll up - read posts.

If I was remotely interested in sucking another man's love stick I would seek solace in the Lord's writings and resist the urge. It's the same as we are tempted to steal and if we do wrong we are rightly punished.

Are you saying that men who rape because they feel the urge are to be indulged? It's the same thing. Gay sex is spiritual rape because you condemn the person you sex it up with to Hell along with you. Every time you seduce some man to lie down with you as a woman you lead Him into Hell. It's a disgrace.

Do you homophobes have to be so indecisive about how the world is these days? Make certain crap up like saying gays are rapists isn't going to do any good. Moreover, it is a true fact that Jesus loved everyone, regardless of their sins, and we should do the same thing as Christians; love one another, regardless of our sins.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

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Do you homophobes have to be so indecisive about how the world is these days? Make certain crap up like saying gays are rapists isn't going to do any good. Moreover, it is a true fact that Jesus loved everyone, regardless of their sins, and we should do the same thing as Christians; love one another, regardless of our sins.

Jesus said:

John 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.
John 5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

Moses said:

Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

[AngelofHate, Poser and a fake]

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Jesus said:

John 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.
John 5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

Moses said:

Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Like that really matters now??? People have the right to live their lives; most people want to be happy.
isn't it that hard to accept? Oh, wait...no, well in your case, because you don't care about those people and you're a coldhearted person.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

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Like that really matters now??? People have the right to live their lives; most people want to be happy.
isn't it that hard to accept? Oh, wait...no, well in your case, because you don't care about those people and you're a coldhearted person.

If I understand you correctly, you're saying the Bible is irrelevant to modern society? I agree wholeheartedly, at least, modern society is irrelevant to the Bible.

I care deeply about queers. I want them to understand the truth, as the Bible tells it, that God wants their lives to end so that they can immediately commence burning in Hell for all eternity. If they can't understand that this is their current fate, how are they going to change it?