[Basilissa]

Re: There are no contradictions in the Bible!

I am waiting on tha explanation

Here: http://workmenforchrist.org/Bible/BC_Jesus_Nets.html

Basically, it says that Mark wrote using Jewish system (day starting at sunset), and John using Roman system (day starting at midnight). No contradiction.

[Rocko the Fat]

Re: There are no contradictions in the Bible!

Here: http://workmenforchrist.org/Bible/BC_Jesus_Nets.html

Basically, it says that Mark wrote using Jewish system (day starting at sunset), and John using Roman system (day starting at midnight). No contradiction.

That is not truth. The Romas as the Jew conted hours commencing at sunrise. The explanation is not based on a real fact but in lies. Do you have any prove that Romas had a different way to count hours?

Any how, all along the Gospel of John, John is using time commencing at sunrise. There is not any resaon to think that in 19:14 hr changed the system (into a sytem that not even existed).

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: There are no contradictions in the Bible!

That is not truth. The Romas as the Jew conted hours commencing at sunrise. The explanation is not based on a real fact but in lies. Do you have any prove that Romas had a different way to count hours?

Any how, all along the Gospel of John, John is using time commencing at sunrise. There is not any resaon to think that in 19:14 hr changed the system (into a sytem that not even existed).

First of all, this is NOT a debate forum. We're right and you're wrong, according to Jesus and the Holy Word of God. Please read THIS thread before making an even bigger fool of yourself.

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I will pray that the Holy Spirit enter you and chase the demons out of your rectum and let Jesus fill you with His Grace. If you use your God-given free will to reject Christ and His temporary death on the cross for my sins, then you are sending yourself to hellfire.

[Basilissa]

Re: There are no contradictions in the Bible!

That is not truth. The Romas as the Jew conted hours commencing at sunrise. The explanation is not based on a real fact but in lies. Do you have any prove that Romas had a different way to count hours?

Any how, all along the Gospel of John, John is using time commencing at sunrise. There is not any resaon to think that in 19:14 hr changed the system (into a sytem that not even existed).

Honey, Jews have always counted days starting at SUNSET, not SUNRISE. They still do - Sabbath begins at sunset on Friday. Google it if you wish. Just a tiny bit of knowledge won't hurt you.

As for the Romans - where do you think that we get the idea that day starts at midnight? They invented it. Again, google it.

[Rocko the Fat]

Re: There are no contradictions in the Bible!

Romans count dates from midnight and Jew count dates from sunset.
Romans and Jew count the night time in watches both starting at sunset.
Romans and Jew count the day time in hours both starting at sunrise
John all along his gospel count hours from sunrise.

The third hour from the sunset is 9pm. Was Jesus crucified 9pm?????

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: There are no contradictions in the Bible!

Romans count dates from midnight and Jew count dates from sunset.
Romans and Jew count the night time in watches both starting at sunset.
Romans and Jew count the day time in hours both starting at sunrise
John all along his gospel count hours from sunrise.

The third hour from the sunset is 9pm. Was Jesus crucified 9pm?????

You don't understand because you lack Christian Discernment. That, plus your father is satan.

John 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 8:45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: There are no contradictions in the Bible!

Romans count dates from midnight and Jew count dates from sunset.
Romans and Jew count the night time in watches both starting at sunset.
Romans and Jew count the day time in hours both starting at sunrise
John all along his gospel count hours from sunrise.

The third hour from the sunset is 9pm. Was Jesus crucified 9pm?????

Your obsession suggests asberger's syndrome. Are you always like this with people you've just met?

Your focus should be on the selfless act Christ underwent for those He loves. You see, the Bible tells us that we have all sinned; we have all committed evil acts (Romans 3:10-18). Because God is perfect and the ultimate in Goodness (Psalm 100:5; Psalm 106:1; Psalm 107:1; Psalm 135:3; 1 Chronicles 16:34; ), he is disgusted and enraged at our sinfulness. Essentially, He can’t stand us, and because He is God, He doesn’t have to because no one can make Him. He has decided that we deserve nothing less than eternal torture, and pain, and agony for having made a perfect God uncomfortable with the way we are not similarly perfect. The only appropriate punishment for sins committed against an infinite and eternal God is an infinite and eternal punishment (Romans 6:23; Revelation 20:11-15). This is why God created Hell. It’s only fair after all.

But check it out, Jesus Christ came to earth and died in our place! He didn’t have to do so, but He chose to do so. Jesus and God worked out The Ultimate Plan (2 Corinthians 5:21) because they’re pretty tight, being the Same Person (John 10:30), yet Different Persons (John 17:1). This plan was decided some time before we were ever born. It doesn’t really matter, since we probably wouldn’t have been consulted anyway, but They/He decided that Jesus would die temporarily to pay the penalty for our sins (Romans 5:8) so that God could forget all about them (Isaiah 65:17; Isaiah 43:25). Jesus paid the penalty He determined He (as God) required just so that we would not have to. Wasn’t that sweet?!?

Jesus' resurrection from the dead just goes to show that His death was sufficient to pay the penalty for our sins. No mere human could have done that, thus proving Jesus is the one and only Savior (John 14:6; Acts 4:12)!

Now, if I were to offer advice, I would suggest you start reading the Holy Bible, all of it. We know that "faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God" (Romans 10:17). So to be safe, perhaps you should read the Holy Bible out loud so you can also hear it. Then you will have faith, and then you can be Saved©!

[Basilissa]

Re: There are no contradictions in the Bible!

Romans count dates from midnight and Jew count dates from sunset.
Romans and Jew count the night time in watches both starting at sunset.
Romans and Jew count the day time in hours both starting at sunrise
John all along his gospel count hours from sunrise.

The third hour from the sunset is 9pm. Was Jesus crucified 9pm?????

This is from Wikipedia, so it's not that reliable, but here it goes:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_timekeeping_system#section_3

The Roman civil and religious day began at midnight from a very early time.[8] Unger (1892) and Ramsay (1896) maintain that the hours of the day and the night were always counted from dusk, or dawn, hence that the "sixth hour" represented midnight or midday respectively. Against this Jack Finegan (1964) argues that the "sixth hour" can be counted from midnight.[9][10] Consequently, in texts such as the New Testament it is not always clear whether local time or Roman time is meant. For example the Gospel of John makes reference to Pilate having said "behold your king" to the people of Jerusalem at "the sixth hour". If it was accounted as Hebrew time, it was midnight, but if John used Roman time, it was six o'clock in the morning,[11] whereas Mark refers to Christ being crucified at the "third hour," darkness from "the sixth hour to the ninth hour," and Christ's last words shortly after the "ninth hour".[12]

Here is another source:

http://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=6&article=584

The Jews and the Romans used different standards for reckoning the hours of the day, although both systems split the day into two periods of 12 hours. A new day for the Romans began at midnight (as it does for us today), whereas a new day for the Jews began in the evening at what we would call 6 p.m.

Various clues within the fourth gospel indicate that John was using the Roman system (Geisler and Howe, 1992, p. 376). This makes sense given that John was writing outside of Palestine to a Hellenistic audience. That Mark used a Jewish system makes sense in light of the strong tradition that his gospel account follows sermons delivered by the apostle Peter (Eusebius, Ecclesiastical History, 3.39). As always, we have to take into account the context, as well as cultural differences between the Jewish and Gentile worlds.

Seems to me that several sources agree on this subject

[Rev. Edward Clement]

Re: There are no contradictions in the Bible!

Romans count dates from midnight and Jew count dates from sunset.
Romans and Jew count the night time in watches both starting at sunset.
Romans and Jew count the day time in hours both starting at sunrise
John all along his gospel count hours from sunrise.

The third hour from the sunset is 9pm. Was Jesus crucified 9pm?????

Do not question the Word, friend. Your inquiry borders and is deceitful for within that inquiry you are parading your own lack of Godly Guidance.

All answers are given by Jesus, thus you are not seeking His Answer, you are trying to argue for your unbelief. Therefore, you are not a Bible Believing True-Christian™.

1 Corinthians

2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Jesus is ready to meet you friend, unless He does not want to meet you, then there is nothing more you can do but to dwell in your unbelief. We are not here to stroke your rebellion friend. Please understand this. We are here to teach you when, and only when, you meet Jesus.

Ephesians

4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

Until you have the correct hearing, you will continue in your confusion.

Romans
10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

And you will not hear without a Preacher.

Romans
10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

[I'm a Rockhead]

Re: There are no contradictions in the Bible!

Yes there is. They say not to judge people, yet they judge, smokers, demons, furries, perverts, left handed people, sinners, people who cuss, liking anime, liking science, goes to public school, liking metal music, atheists, etc You can't handle the truth. I know the truth.

- An atheist

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: There are no contradictions in the Bible!

Yes there is. They say not to judge people,

Wrong.

[I'm a Rockhead]

Re: There are no contradictions in the Bible!

Wrong.

I'm right, you're not

[Basilissa]

Re: There are no contradictions in the Bible!

I'm right, you're not

you haven't even bothered to click on that link and read it, have you? Otherwise, you would either agree with Pastor Peters, or formulate some kind of an actual (albeit wrong) argument to the contrary.

[Mary Thompson]

Re: There are no contradictions in the Bible!

you haven't even bothered to click on that link and read it, have you? Otherwise, you would either agree with Pastor Peters, or formulate some kind of an actual (albeit wrong) argument to the contrary.

Her logic is to contradict everything we say even when we have the most blatent evidence and say she is right, in my opinion, she is a Godless Troll, how does she find happiness in registering in a Christian forum and trying to make us angry when making herself appear ignorant. Bad Logic if you ask me.
YIC
Mary Thompson.