[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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My chores are done already and I am not half as stupid than the average american girl.

And I know that science is not the answer to all, but god gave us our brain, so why not use it?

"half as stupid as..." & "American." So, to what level of stupidity do you aspire?

That aside, honestly, science and brains and all that stuff is not necessary for women. Just find yourself a good Christian husband and start producing little soldiers and you'll find your days just filled with washing, ironing, cooking and you will feel completely fulfilled.

I've posted this before, but you may not have seen it:

[Rachael Van Helsing]

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[QUOTE=Rev. Jim Osborne;383862]

1. If humans evolved from chimpanzees, why are chimpanzees still around? - So they can periodically be elected president, such as the man who served before Obama. *Ahem* Humans and chimps are not the same, we merely evolved from a common ancestor. Modern day chimps are our cousins, not our ancestors.
2. The Big Bang Theory proposes that everything in the Universe started from something called singularity which is smaller than an atom. How can you stuff everything in the universe in that? It's hard enough to stuff four suitcases in the trunk of your car! - Ever heard of expansion? The big bang was many reactions which led to the forming of our universe. More happened in the first fifteen minutes of the universe than in all the billions of years afterwards. It is the various reactions (eg matter/antimatter reactions) which caused expansion. Oops, also forgot to add that when it comes to a singularity, what can be contained within is nowhere near relative to size.
3. If the earth really revolves around the sun, then why when we look at the sun we can see it plainly revolving around the earth? (And if the earth was moving around the sun, wouldn't we all fly off into space?) Because the earth is rotating on its Axis, which means that as it turns (thus creating day and night) we perceive the sun as in different positions in the sky. It does not actually move. The moon, however, does revolve around the sky.
4. If women were not created from Adam's rib, why is it that men have one fewer rib than women? - This is actually an easily debunked myth. Many christians don't even believe it. We have the same amount of ribs.
5. How do scientists know stars are "millions of light years away"? Have they been there and back? Do they have a tape measure that stretchs that long? - There are instruments to measure the distance light travels in a year - take a look at this:
6. http://www.colorado.edu/physics/2000/waves_particles/lightspeed_evidence.html
7. Scientists say all our genetic information is coded on DNA. But DNA is an acid! How can you write information in acid? You can write information on a hard drive, but not a liquid! - The phosphate ion in DNA gives an acidic property. but not everything with an acidic property is the same as say, sulfuric acid! It's the properties of said dna which make it building blocks. Information isn't written like with a pencil.
8. People have been wearing clothes for thousands of years. Why haven't our bodies evolved natural clothes that come out of our skin then? - Because wearing clothes has negated the need to evolve further coverings. Not clothes, but perhaps a thicker fur covering would have happened if we hadn't started wearing clothes.
9. If there really are millions and millions of species, then how could have Adam named them all? Obviously, there's not that many species then! (Gen 2:18-22) - Obviously then bible is a myth which was written before people were aware of how many species there were. they only wrote about the things which they knew. Obviously not much back then, eh?
10. If our brains are just a mishmash of biochemistry, how come chemicals like gasoline or bug spray can't think? - Because it is the chemical/electric reactions in our brain which cause it to work. Obviously the same chemical reactions can hardly occur in bug spray or gasoline, now, can they?
11. Einstein said that if you approach the speed of light, time slows down. Once you hit the speed of light, time stops. If that is so, how come light can travel from point A to point B if time is stopped for light? - Relativity says you cannot accelerate mass from a velocity less than light's to a velocity equal to or greater than light's. You can never reach the speed of light, so it is dumb to ask what would happen if you did.

Don't let your science teacher weasel out of these questions! If he makes some stupid comments like "Well that question is meaningless" or "Evolution doesn't work that way" or "You have a poor understanding of science", don't let him get away with it! He is only trying to buy time because he know he can't answer your questions. Press him and make him answer your questions. That's what a teacher is for...right?

Done and done.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

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RJO: If humans evolved from chimpanzees, why are chimpanzees still around? -

RVH:So they can periodically be elected president, such as the man who served before Obama. *Ahem* Humans and chimps are not the same, we merely evolved from a common ancestor. Modern day chimps are our cousins, not our ancestors.

RJO: How come then on those "evolutionary charts" it shows men evolving from chimpanzees?


The Big Bang Theory proposes that everything in the Universe started from something called singularity which is smaller than an atom. How can you stuff everything in the universe in that? It's hard enough to stuff four suitcases in the trunk of your car! - Ever heard of expansion? The big bang was many reactions which led to the forming of our universe. More happened in the first fifteen minutes of the universe than in all the billions of years afterwards. It is the various reactions (eg matter/antimatter reactions) which caused expansion. Oops, also forgot to add that when it comes to a singularity, what can be contained within is nowhere near relative to size.

Ah so matter came out of nothing? That is the basis of your argument. So therefore this is evidence of God, as He created something out of nothing.

If the earth really revolves around the sun, then why when we look at the sun we can see it plainly revolving around the earth? (And if the earth was moving around the sun, wouldn't we all fly off into space?) Because the earth is rotating on its Axis, which means that as it turns (thus creating day and night) we perceive the sun as in different positions in the sky. It does not actually move. The moon, however, does revolve around the sky.

Funny how you concede that the moon revolves around the earth, but not the sun. Why would they be any different from each other? Also, the burden of proof is on the person making the claim the earth revolves around the sun and I don't see a single instance of proof here from you.

If women were not created from Adam's rib, why is it that men have one fewer rib than women? - This is actually an easily debunked myth. Many christians don't even believe it. We have the same amount of ribs.

Prove it. Maybe we could cut you open as an experiment?

How do scientists know stars are "millions of light years away"? Have they been there and back? Do they have a tape measure that stretchs that long? - There are instruments to measure the distance light travels in a year - take a look at this:

http://www.colorado.edu/physics/2000/waves_particles/lightspeed_evidence.html

The link didn't tell anything about measuring distance between stars. It talked about the speed of light. Okay, but the problem with using light speed to measure star distance, is how do the scientists know how old the light is? If they claim Alpha Centauri is 4.6 light years away...how do they really know the light they capture now is 4.6 years old? It is impossible to measure star distance.

Scientists say all our genetic information is coded on DNA. But DNA is an acid! How can you write information in acid? You can write information on a hard drive, but not a liquid! - The phosphate ion in DNA gives an acidic property. but not everything with an acidic property is the same as say, sulfuric acid! It's the properties of said dna which make it building blocks. Information isn't written like with a pencil.

So you admit you can't write information in DNA.

People have been wearing clothes for thousands of years. Why haven't our bodies evolved natural clothes that come out of our skin then? - Because wearing clothes has negated the need to evolve further coverings. Not clothes, but perhaps a thicker fur covering would have happened if we hadn't started wearing clothes.

And yet people still die of hypothermia even when wearing clothes. Wouldn't nature have taken care of this?

If there really are millions and millions of species, then how could have Adam named them all? Obviously, there's not that many species then! (Gen 2:18-22) - Obviously then bible is a myth which was written before people were aware of how many species there were. they only wrote about the things which they knew. Obviously not much back then, eh?

Okay hot shot, how many species have you counted? All the species I've seen in my lifetime, I could name and count.

If our brains are just a mishmash of biochemistry, how come chemicals like gasoline or bug spray can't think? - Because it is the chemical/electric reactions in our brain which cause it to work. Obviously the same chemical reactions can hardly occur in bug spray or gasoline, now, can they?

Simple logic destroys your argument. So how come if I put a spark (electrical) to gasoline (chemical), no intelligence or consciousness results? All there is a huge fire. We could even use a more humanlike example...take a human kidney. Apply 50,000 volts of electricity to it. Will it start to think? No.

Einstein said that if you approach the speed of light, time slows down. Once you hit the speed of light, time stops. If that is so, how come light can travel from point A to point B if time is stopped for light? - Relativity says you cannot accelerate mass from a velocity less than light's to a velocity equal to or greater than light's. You can never reach the speed of light, so it is dumb to ask what would happen if you did.


Obviously, light can reach the speed of light. So it still leaves my question unanswered. Time STOPS at the speed of light. So how could light travel from the Sun to the Earth if it literally has no time to make the journey?

You know the calculus equation D=R x T? Distance = Rate times Time? Now figure out this equation using these variables, Rate is 186,000 miles a second and Time is 0. 186,000 x 0 = 0 (Distance).

Light Speed and Relativity are mutually incompatible. One of them has to go (or maybe both).

[Rachael Van Helsing]

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[QUOTE=Rev. Jim Osborne;403394]

RJO: How come then on those "evolutionary charts" it shows men evolving from chimpanzees?

Look at those charts again. It'd show modern day chimps and humans evolving from a common ancestor. Human actually share, I believe it is over 50% of dna with plants! Explain that one, mister.


Ah so matter came out of nothing? That is the basis of your argument. So therefore this is evidence of God, as He created something out of nothing.

- Not from nothing, from a singularity. This original 'pinpoint' was extremely hot and dense. Even more dense than you guys. It's the old question, which is heavier, a pound of lead or a pound of feathers? They are equal, but compare the size of the lead vs the featherload. Lead, being a lot more dense, will require a lot less of it to make a pound. The density of the universe in the beginning would have been - unimaginable!

Funny how you concede that the moon revolves around the earth, but not the sun. Why would they be any different from each other? Also, the burden of proof is on the person making the claim the earth revolves around the sun and I don't see a single instance of proof here from you.

The moon is a satellite of the earth, the Earth is a satellite of the sun. People have walked on the moon (yes, I don't think that was a hoax) I'd like to see anyone walk on the sun! I notice, also, you can't refute the fact of the Earth spinning on its Axis. You can't. As for the moon/sun thing:

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Prove it. Maybe we could cut you open as an experiment?

If you really do want proof, you're free to look in on an autopsy any time. Or visit a museum.


The link didn't tell anything about measuring distance between stars. It talked about the speed of light. Okay, but the problem with using light speed to measure star distance, is how do the scientists know how old the light is? If they claim Alpha Centauri is 4.6 light years away...how do they really know the light they capture now is 4.6 years old? It is impossible to measure star distance.

Maybe you should visit this link instead, sparky:
http://www.windows.ucar.edu/tour/link=/kids_space/star_dist.html
For kids!
And just FYI, some stars we see in the night sky have in actuality already exploded. The light from the explosion just hasn't reached us yet.

So you admit you can't write information in DNA.

I said nothing of the sort, sparky. I merely said that you take the word 'write' too literally. The building blocks of life are contained in dna - but they won't appear as typed word on a screen. 'Written' is just an easy word to explain this rather than lapsing into techno-jargon.

And yet people still die of hypothermia even when wearing clothes. Wouldn't nature have taken care of this?

Nature, it seem, can't cure idiocy or unfortunate events. Look at the people who have died of hypothermia. Would they have died in normal circumstances?

Okay hot shot, how many species have you counted? All the species I've seen in my lifetime, I could name and count.

That's my point. The men who wrote that part of the bible only wrote down what they knew and could see. They'd have flipped out if you tried explaining micro-organisms to them. I can't name all species and subspecies from memory, but I could look them up. They only wrote down that which they knew, and seeing as they didn't write all the ones they missed down at a later date, it can only be concluded that they only recorded what they knew.

Simple logic destroys your argument. So how come if I put a spark (electrical) to gasoline (chemical), no intelligence or consciousness results? All there is a huge fire. We could even use a more humanlike example...take a human kidney. Apply 50,000 volts of electricity to it. Will it start to think? No.

Did you read what I said about specific chemical reactions? The specific reactions that occur in the brain are a far cry from what you're proposing. You wouldn't be able to replicate those reactions, it seems no one can (at least not yet, or we'd have been able to create AI. And as I see no human-level AIs out there, it can only be concluded that the conditions of the human brain can't quite be replicated yet, eh, sparky?



Obviously, light can reach the speed of light. So it still leaves my question unanswered. Time STOPS at the speed of light. So how could light travel from the Sun to the Earth if it literally has no time to make the journey?

You know the calculus equation D=R x T? Distance = Rate times Time? Now figure out this equation using these variables, Rate is 186,000 miles a second and Time is 0. 186,000 x 0 = 0 (Distance).

It is only your perception of the motion of time that would stop if you, a human, were somehow travelling at light speed. Time doesn't stop at light speed, that's ridiculous. If it did we'd have no light, no time, and we'd all be stuck in perpetual pause. Sheesh. Read about the theory of relativity sometime.

Light Speed and Relativity are mutually incompatible. One of them has to go (or maybe both).

Read what I said above

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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tl;dr

[Ernest Nut]

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The light from the explosion just hasn't reached us yet.

So how do you know it has happened. You're just making it up as you go along.

Shouldn't you be at home, baking for your husband or something.



As to asking the science teacher, shouldn't you be home schooling your children?

[Virgin93]

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And God gave us grammar, spelling and punctuation rules, as well as a "Shift" key on each and every computer keyboard....SO WHY NOT USE THEM?

Maybe English is not the native language of every member of this board. We could as well talk in a more civilized language like German.

[Virgin93]

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"half as stupid as..." & "American." So, to what level of stupidity do you aspire?

That aside, honestly, science and brains and all that stuff is not necessary for women. Just find yourself a good Christian husband and start producing little soldiers and you'll find your days just filled with washing, ironing, cooking and you will feel completely fulfilled.

I've posted this before, but you may not have seen it:

I am not so sure if it would be the right decision to make more German soldiers. I guess we had enough of them 60 years ago.

[Captain James T. Kirk]

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I am not sure if I understand those questions at all. Maybe I should learn more about sciences.

Hello, Virgin. My name is Captain James T. Kirk, but you can call me Jim. I have the best damned science officer in the fleet under me, and you can bet he's drilled me with his knowledge over and over again. If you would like, you can come to my quarters where I can help educate you in all sorts of sciences. Perhaps you can even help me with the Captain's Log in return. I'm sure you would be very good at that.
I have a bottle of Romulan ale chilling in the replicator and am eagerly awaiting your reply.

[Virgin93]

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Hello Jim,

I think I should be able to learn quite a lot from you and Mr Spock.
Assisting in writing your log would be a pleasure for me.

[John Scopes]

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God gave us all the capacity to commit homosexual acts with our own parents....so why not use it?

God gave us all the capacity to murder and cannibalize children....so why not use it?

You can see the faulty reasoning in your statement, but I'm not blaming you for it, rather it's quite a common statement. Ironically, people really didn't use their brains when they came up with it.

Sir, this is one of the few scientifically lucid statements I have seen here. All your points perfectly confirm natural selection, and that instinctively human genetic lines that survive do not engage in these activities.

[Robert Hutchins]

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Sir, this is one of the few scientifically lucid statements I have seen here. All your points perfectly confirm natural selection, and that instinctively human genetic lines that survive do not engage in these activities.

Natural Selection? Pfft.

Let's ponder why homosexuals haven't died out. Everyone claims "it's genetics!"

Well, the AIDS you get from being gay should stop you from having kids, even if you are a "closet" homo who pretends to have a relationship with his wife.

How does your new-age logic answer that?

[Fisherman Jake]

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I never really did understand why people would want to do science. We've already got all the answers we need. If all those scientists spent their time reading the Bible instead of trying to prove the earth wasn't created in six days, they might be able to get saved. It's like trying to prove that we breathe or that ice is cold. They're trying to find the answers when we already know them. Problem is, our answers mean there's a God and they don't like that. They want to do their own thing without ever having to be judged. It's their own fault if they won't listen to our warnings. Dumb atheists.

[The Hortons]

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The whole Big Bang theory....from what you write about how 1 thing can contain everything in the world, explain to me how asexual creature, which God created can reproduce from 1 cell by themselves. Or for that matter how when a man and woman reproduce, 2 cells contain EVERYTHING needed to grow you and me? No source needed, 4th graders should be able to tell you that.
As for the rib thing....you don't make very good choices, quoting a source that says that 0.5% of population have more ribs....
"A cervical rib is a supernumerary or accessory rib arising from the seventh cervical vertebra. This abnormality occurs in approximately 0.5% of the population and is more common in females" http://radiographics.rsna.org/content/19/1/105.full.pdf This is from your own heathen scientists. Tho this trait has been slowly bleeding out over the generations, God sees fit to still specially mark a few blessed women with a reminder of how she was created. So you’re saying that 50% of people have more ribs, wow, only 50%. Really conclusive.
Scientists say all our genetic information is coded on DNA. But DNA is an acid! How can you write information in acid? You can write information on a hard drive, but not a liquid!
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1/010118064934 .htm, read that....it talks about the 1st successful creation of LIQUID dna. If they were trying to make liquid DNA, what were they making it from, more liquid? There would be no need then.
People have been wearing clothes for thousands of years. Why haven't our bodies evolved natural clothes that come out of our skin then?
Check this out…. http://www.hypertrichosis.com/. I’m sure you’ve all heard of little aboriginies that are found in the wilderness that are covered in hair. If you stick with the evolution from chimps, aren’t they covered in hair? If we did evolve from them, at some point we became intelligent, and could make clothes, build fires, homes, etc….and there was less need for a totally hairy body….
Another example of how evolution occurs is with the Striper fish. Naturally only occurring in the oceans, which consist of salt water. Yet you can catch a striper in many inland lakes. Where people have caught stripers in the ocean, and released them into freshwater, over time, they have accustomed themselves to be able to thrive in freshwater. The freshwater versions still prefer the same natural food as their saltwater ancestors, blue backed herring minnows, which only live in the ocean. Google it. You’ll find it if you really give a damn.
Plus, I don’t think we’ve evolved clothes to come out of our skin for the simple fact that our DNA doesn’t contain any info on cotton, denim, etc….such a silly statement.
Also, there are plenty of solid acids…..check out these sites:

http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/chem00/chem00117.htm

http://addis.caltech.edu/research/solacids.html

Fat itself is an acid….fat is solid. If you doubt that, press on your gut.

If our brains are just a mishmash of biochemistry, how come chemicals like gasoline or bug spray can't think?
Brains need electricity to function. That’s why a dead person would register no electrical activity post-mortem. There are many more things that go into a brain, and a human than biochemistry. Don’t put yourself down by being so short sighted.

Lastly, why is there so much debate about science and God? Is He not omniscient?
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/omniscient - for those of you who need sources and/or definitions.
If God knows all, sees all, and created all, would you not expect that He have the perfect capability to create anything He wants? He is the greatest scientist to ever exist! Of course he created all things. That’s a given. But how? Did He snap his fingers? Use magic? Or did he do things methodically and scientifically? To ask these 10 questions goes against one of your basic beliefs, that God KNOWS ALL. Why then would He not be able to create whatever he likes, using science? Seriously. Science screams God all day long.

[John Scopes]

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Natural Selection? Pfft.

Let's ponder why homosexuals haven't died out. Everyone claims "it's genetics!"

Well, the AIDS you get from being gay should stop you from having kids, even if you are a "closet" homo who pretends to have a relationship with his wife.

How does your new-age logic answer that?

Homosexuals by their very nature will eventually die out because they do not reproduce. Natural selection inevitably removes defective genetic traits that are not conducive to furthering a species.

To use a purely allegorical example from a document that is frequently quoted here:

Judges 19:22-29 (King James Version)
22 Now as they were making their hearts merry, behold, the men of the city, certain sons of Belial, beset the house round about, and beat at the door, and spake to the master of the house, the old man, saying, Bring forth the man that came into thine house, that we may know him.
23 And the man, the master of the house, went out unto them, and said unto them, Nay, my brethren, nay, I pray you, do not so wickedly; seeing that this man is come into mine house, do not this folly.
24 Behold, here is my daughter a maiden, and his concubine; them I will bring out now, and humble ye them, and do with them what seemeth good unto you: but unto this man do not so vile a thing.
25 But the men would not hearken to him: so the man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, and abused her all the night until the morning: and when the day began to spring, they let her go.

The individual that owned this house of course realized the foolishness of these men. They obviously would not pass their genetic lines on with the proposed activity. The homeowner wisely realized this and instead offered a female, I am sure the genetic lines furthered in that story could well carry into today.

In another reference from the very same document, masturbation is addressed. Of course this activity does nothing to further genetic lines, and in this story that is allegorically explained.

Genesis 38:9-10 (King James Version)
9 And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother.
10 And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also.