[Levi Jones]

Re: Why Roman Catholic Papists Are NOT Christians

i don't want to sound "rude" pastor, but Catholicism is God's true religion. You believe in Jesus Christ right? Well what he founded is called "Catholicism", the one religion that all of these other groups (lutheran, protestant, etc) formed from.

Also, priests in the RC Church do not marry and are celibate, they are models of Jesus Christ, our savior who we follow.

Dear papist dog,

Please read the thread before commenting on things that have repeatedly been discussed ad naseum.

Find any mention of the catholic church in the bible or any mention of Rome as being the seat of power in the Bible.

In fact, the Revelation of John the Divine clearly prophecies about the Whore of Babylon (i.e. the catholic church).

[Phebe Carlyle]

Re: Why Roman Catholic Papists Are NOT Christians

i don't want to sound "rude" pastor, but Catholicism is God's true religion. You believe in Jesus Christ right? Well what he founded is called "Catholicism", the one religion that all of these other groups (lutheran, protestant, etc) formed from.

I would really appreciate if you could cite scripture to support your comments.

I have read the Bible several thousand times at least and I have never come across any scripture mentioning Catholicism.

Also, priests in the RC Church do not marry and are celibate, they are models of Jesus Christ, our savior who we follow.

Are you alluding that Jesus Christ is a pedophile? Unless your eyes and ears have been closed since birth, you will KNOW that sexural abuse is rife within the Catholic Church.

YIC

Mrs Phebe Dewitt.

[ALMOS7]

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For every argument am I supposed to cite the Bible? I do not know the bible that well to do that, and I am not sure of this but i do not think Protestantism was around in the first century.

[Levi Jones]

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For every argument am I supposed to cite the Bible? I do not know the bible that well to do that, and I am not sure of this but i do not think Protestantism was around in the first century.

That is precisely what you are to do! If you are not familiar with the Bible, I suggest you sit down and read it cover to cover.

You live in a wonderful age where God's gift is free for all to read instead of depending on a catholic priest.

tl:dr Scripture or it didn't happen

[Phebe Carlyle]

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For every argument am I supposed to cite the Bible? I do not know the bible that well to do that, and I am not sure of this but i do not think Protestantism was around in the first century.

Of course you are supposed to cite the BIBLE! We don't play games here sir and we are very serious about our faith. Just because you aren't as passionate about the love of the Lord as we are, is no one else's fault but your own.

Jesus is the reason for Christianity. Catholicism is NOT Christianity.

YIC

Mrs Phebe Dewitt.

[WilliamJenningsBryan]

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For every argument am I supposed to cite the Bible? I do not know the bible that well to do that, and I am not sure of this but i do not think Protestantism was around in the first century.

"Protestants" started with Martin Luther nailing his feces to the door of a cathylick church in 1517. Baptists are NOT "protestants" because they were never members of the cathylick church to begin with.

[ALMOS7]

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The Pastor had said that "Catholics call priests Father".

Well, in my native tongue, Polish, we do not do such thing. We literally call them "priest" in Polish. In English we use Father, i dunno why. makes sense when they represent Jesus and His Good News.

if we were to interpret Matthew 23:9 literally, no one could be called father, not even our biological fathers. Christians could not, for example, celebrate Fathers Day. Nor could George Washington be called "the father of our country."

Is this what Jesus intended? Probably not. Doesn't Jesus Himself tell the rich young man to "keep the commandments" including the one to "honor your father and mother" (Matthew 19:19)? And when the Jews questioned Jesus about His teaching that He is "the bread of life," doesn't He respond to them by saying: " I am the bread of life. Your fathers (ie the ancestors of the Jewish people who took part in the Exodus from Egypt with Moses and are therefore called the "fathers" of Israel) ate the manna in the wilderness and they died" (John 6:48-49)?

[Phebe Carlyle]

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The Pastor had said that "Catholics call priests Father".

Well, in my native tongue, Polish, we do not do such thing. We literally call them "priest" in Polish. In English we use Father, i dunno why. makes sense when they represent Jesus and His Good News.

if we were to interpret Matthew 23:9 literally, no one could be called father, not even our biological fathers. Christians could not, for example, celebrate Fathers Day. Nor could George Washington be called "the father of our country."

Is this what Jesus intended? Probably not. Doesn't Jesus Himself tell the rich young man to "keep the commandments" including the one to "honor your father and mother" (Matthew 19:19)? And when the Jews questioned Jesus about His teaching that He is "the bread of life," doesn't He respond to them by saying: " I am the bread of life. Your fathers (ie the ancestors of the Jewish people who took part in the Exodus from Egypt with Moses and are therefore called the "fathers" of Israel) ate the manna in the wilderness and they died" (John 6:48-49)?

ALMOS7

I take Matthew 23:9 verbatim, hence when my paternal parent was alive, I called him dad. We also disregarded any of the secular "holiday" events such as those you mentioned. My parents considered it blasphemy against God, especially when the majority of these so called "holidays" are held on Sundays!

In reference to the forefathers or lowercase "fathers/father" situation refers to ancestors and those who founded nations, not those from whom you are directly and paternally spawn.

YIC

Mrs Phebe Dewitt.

[Thomas W]

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Let's examine this.
"Who is wise and understanding among you? By his good life let him show his works in the meekness of wisdom. But if you have bitter jealousy and selfsih ambition in your hearts, do not boast and be false to the truth. This wisdom is not such as comes down from above, but is earthly, unspiritual, devilish. For where jealousy and selfish ambition exist, there will be disorder and every vile practice. But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, open to reason, full of mercy and good fruits, without uncertainty or insincerity. And the harvest of righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace." (James 3:13-17 RSV)

[...and so on...]

The Revised Standard Version doesn't even apply here. It is a misleading mistranslation of the King James Version, and it does not even mention hypocrisy, which was your point, a point which was beside the point, as The Lord is not a hypocrite.

Further, what The Lord wants to beam down into our hearts is intended for us. What He beams down into us is free of hypocrisy. Just because He makes the trees blossom every spring, it doesn't mean that He makes Himself blossom every spring. He is not a tree, nor is He a human being. He is above mortal rules.

Now could we please get back to the main topic?

[NATURALwhite]

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Pastor Ezekiel with this topic you desrve nothing else than a Nobel prize!

God will send all so-called-"Fathers" straight to hell.

This is what "Fathers" do:

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Cooperating with NAZIS, who took many souls of young Americans!

[Eddy714]

Re: Why Roman Catholic Papists Are NOT Christians

Of course you are supposed to cite the BIBLE! We don't play games here sir and we are very serious about our faith. Just because you aren't as passionate about the love of the Lord as we are, is no one else's fault but your own.

Jesus is the reason for Christianity. Catholicism is NOT Christianity.

YIC

Mrs Phebe Dewitt.

So I guess we agree Jesus established a Church and visible Church upon Peter. That have given fruits in to what is Catholisism. Remeber the gates of hail shall no prevail.

Seek truth sister it will let you free.

And dont display hate because thats what the devil likes and your just satisfing him by posting comments like this.

May God Bless you and your family.

[Bobby-Joe]

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So I guess we agree Jesus established a Church and visible Church upon Peter. That have given fruits in to what is Catholisism. Remeber the gates of hail shall no prevail.

Seek truth sister it will let you free.

And dont display hate because thats what the devil likes and your just satisfing him by posting comments like this.

May God Bless you and your family.

Nice logic: Jesus gives Great Commission to Peter then something happens so worship the Virgin Mary and line the children up for child molestation.

I mean that's the part I don't see in the Bible: were Christ says He loves all of us so His children should go cover for the crimes of some venal old man in some archaic robes.

[Eddy714]

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Nice logic: Jesus gives Great Commission to Peter then something happens so worship the Virgin Mary and line the children up for child molestation.

I mean that's the part I don't see in the Bible: were Christ says He loves all of us so His children should go cover for the crimes of some venal old man in some archaic robes.

We dont worship Mary we venerate her as the Mother of God. In the 10 Commandements FIVE: 'Honor your father and your mother.' . thats is what Jesus did and that is what we do as well.

Mary was also the 1st Christian as she was the one that actually received him in here womb and thats how Christianity began.

Yea there has been issues regarding the priest but not all and let God judge there actions and he will judge yours and mine.

[Eddy714]

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[QUOTE=ALMOS7;598430]The Pastor had said that "Catholics call priests Father".

Well, in my native tongue, Polish, we do not do such thing. We literally call them "priest" in Polish. In English we use Father, i dunno why. makes sense when they represent Jesus and His Good News.

Its not just in the english language that you call them father. We also call them father in Spanish language which is "Padre" .

And here is a video by Tim Staples explaining the meaning of Father that might help any curious people out there.

http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKO1JAUNWQY

God Bless

[Heinrich Brunzel]

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The roman catholic "Church" is Not Christian. I want you all to understand this.

Practically all precepts of the papists contradict the Bible repeatedly. It is the largest cult in the world and most preachers will not openly say so because it is so large. For catholics who read this, please remember this: the person that tells you the truth is the one that cares. Jesus wants you to quit kissing those rings, and instead become washed clean in His Blood!

For a glimpse of the atrocities committed by the catholic cult, do a net search on the Inquisition or the Crusades. During the Inquisition, the catholics religion killed millions. Why? Primarily to suppress any and all opposition to the pope. Side "benefits" included taking the material wealth of its victims and showing the pope's power. The papist Inquisitors tortured, crippled, burned, and imprisioned millions of people. Whatever happened to love your enemies? (Matthew 5:44)

Before we get to specific problems with catholic doctrine, let's review how this bloodthirsty organization treated a man who simply wanted to get the Bible into the hands of the common people. In the late 1300s John Wycilf translated the scriptures from the Latin Vulgate. Some 40 odd years after his death, the catholic "religion" dug up his bones and burned them calling him an arch-heretick. In the 1500's William Tyndale sought to translate the Bible into the language of the common people, English. He could not gain approval from the catholic pope so he worked as an outlaw on the run in Europe, translating the Bible. He was eventually captured, condemned and executed in 1536. It is because of people like these men, Tyndale and Wycliffe, that we have the scriptures today. If the papists had their way, we'd still be in ignorance about the Bible and enslaved to the pope. Time fails me here to tell of other marytrs like John Hus, John Rogers, etc. who were killed by popish thugs.

I'll list the catholic tradition first and then what the Bible has to say about the matter.


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CATHOLIC TRADITION - Call priests father, e.g., Father McKinley.

WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS -

Matthew 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
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CATHOLIC TRADITION - Forbidding the priesthood to marry.

WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS -

1) It is devilish to forbid God's people to marry when He has given marriage to be received with thanksgiving.

1 Timothy
4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

2) Peter was married (remember the pope is supposedly continuing the apostolic line through Peter).

Matthew
8:14 And when Jesus was come into Peter's house, he saw his wife's mother laid, and sick of a fever.

Mark
1:30 But Simon's wife's mother lay sick of a fever, and anon they tell him of her.

Luke
4:38 And he arose out of the synagogue, and entered into Simon's house. And Simon's wife's mother was taken with a great fever; and they besought him for her.

3) Paul, a great apostle, remained single; however he made it very clear that he could marry if he wanted to.

1 Corinthians
9:5 Have we not power to lead about a sister, a wife, as well as other apostles, and as the brethren of the Lord, and Cephas?

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CATHOLIC TRADITION - Mary never had other children after the Lord Jesus. A perpetual virgin.

WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS - Mary and Joseph indeed had children. They were the Lord's half brothers and sisters for their father was Joseph and mother was Mary.

Matthew
13:55 Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?
13:56 And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?
Mark
6:3 Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.

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CATHOLIC TRADITION - Mary is the queen of heaven.

WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS - Worshipping the queen of heaven (which is not the Mary of the Bible) is worshipping another god and it provokes the Lord to anger.

Jeremiah
7:17 Seest thou not what they do in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem?
7:18 The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger.
7:19 Do they provoke me to anger? saith the LORD: do they not provoke themselves to the confusion of their own faces?
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CATHOLIC TRADITION - Mary is the mother of God.

WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS - Mary is the mother of the earthly Jesus, not God. Jesus pre- existed from everlasting as God (see John 1:1). When He came to redeem mankind, He laid aside His glory and was made like unto sinful man so that He could take our punishment (Hebrew 2:9). God has no mother. He has lived from everlasting which means He had no beginning.

Isaiah
43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. [If Mary gave birth to God, she'd be God.]
Psalm
93:2 Thy throne is established of old: thou art from everlasting.

Micah
5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler [Jesus] in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

Philippians
2:6 Who [Jesus], being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

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CATHOLIC TRADITION - Pope called Holy Father.

WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS - The term Holy Father is only found one time in the entire Bible. It was when Jesus prayed before He and His disciples went to the garden of Gethsemane. He referred to God the Father as Holy Father. It is blasphemy to call a man by God's name

John
17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
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CATHOLIC TRADITION - Purgatory, nuns, popes.

WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS - None of these is mentioned in the Bible. It is a sin to add to the Bible.

Proverbs
30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

The pope is a man who takes upon himself honor which belongs to no human being. Even the very name by which he allows himself to be called (Holy Father) is highly presumptuous and blasphemous (see above).

One does not need the pope to determine what God's will is. The Bible says that God has given the Holy Ghost to each believer and that He (the Holy Ghost) guides and leads us into all truth. All a believer needs is the Bible and the Holy Ghost to know the will of the Lord. Popery has been treacherous, but worse, each pope has been the blind leading the blind. Jesus said that both will fall into the ditch. Catholics, come out of this system that cannot save and know Jesus for youself, intimate and up-close.

NOTE: Purgatory is supposedly a place where a person is purified of sins--even popes supposedly go there. The Bible says that Jesus Christ is the one that purifies us of our sins.

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus.... When a person dies their eternal home is sealed--heaven or hell--no in between. Hebrews 9:27 ...it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment.

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CATHOLIC TRADITION - Venerating/worshipping images. Pope bows to statues of Mary, people worship the eucharist and have statues/candles in their homes and churches.

WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS - It is idolatry to venerate images. We are not even supposed to make them.

Exodus
20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God...
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CATHOLIC TRADITION - The mass. Through transubstantiation, the wafer/host and the wine supposedly become the actual blood and body of Jesus Christ when the priest prays over them.

WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS - Jesus died once for sins, never to be repeated. He sits on the right hand of God and does not reappear in the mass as a mass of blood and flesh.

Hebrews
10:12 But this man [Jesus], after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
10:13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
10:15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
10:18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
John
19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

1 Corinthians
11:24 And when he [Jesus] had given thanks, he brake it [bread], and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
11:25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
11:26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come (not for the forgiveness of sins or to receive Jesus).

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CATHOLIC TRADITION - Saved, in part, by good works.

WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS - Good works are the fruits that grow out of being saved. They do not make you saved. An apple does not make its tree an apple tree, it was already an apple tree before any apples appeared. When you see the apples; however, you know what kind of tree it is. If a person is saved, he will shew forth good works because he has the spirit of Christ in him. The good works don't make him saved only the blood of Jesus can do that.

I John
1:7b ...the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
Acts 16:31b
...believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved.

Romans
3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

What about James 2:20 "faith without works is dead"?

The kind of faith that saves is a faith that shows forth the works of God. Even devils believe in Jesus and tremble (James 2:19). Many people believe in Jesus but they won't follow Him. They have a faith, but not the kind that saves. If a person has true faith in Jesus, the Holy Ghost dwells in him and will cause good works will show forth in his life. The good works confirm the faith by which the person was saved. James 2:21-23 uses Abraham as an example. Abraham believed God so when God asked him to sacrifice his son Isaac, Abraham, out of his faith in God, offered up Isaac.


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CATHOLIC TRADITION - The church is founded on Peter.

WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS - Jesus Christ is the foundation of the church. Peter was a man like you and me. Jesus called Peter Satan in Matthew 16:23 when Peter rebuked Jesus dying. When Cornelius tried to worship Peter, Peter responded, "Stand up; I myself also am a man." (Acts 10:26). The pope needs to remember Acts 10:26 when he has men bowing to him and kissing his hand like he is worthy of worship.

1 Corinthians
3:11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
Matthew
21:42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected [Jesus], the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
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CATHOLIC TRADITION - Confessing sins to a priest. Petitioning saints and Mary.

WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS - We are to confess our sins and needs to God alone.

I John
1:9 If we confess our sins, he [God] is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Matthew
6:9, 12 After this manner...pray ye: Our Father... forgive us....

1 Timothy
2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus [not Mary, not saints, not priests, not the pope];

I John 2:1, ...And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.
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There are many other scriptures that could have been used here to testify against the doctrines of the catholic cult. There are also many other doctrines of the catholic cult which could have been refuted (e.g. the sacraments, receiving the Holy Ghost, salvation through the catholic religion, penance, rosary, etc.).

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The catholic cult has a history of taking the money of poor widows in order to say masses for the dead (which do no good) and collecting the material possessions of nuns. In Italy, the heart of papism, there is an often used saying that goes, "Without money, they don't sing the mass." That is really pitiful on several fronts--1) mass is blasphemous and people who trust in it are hell-bound 2) there's no such thing as purgatory and 3) the gift of God is without price.

Roman mary worship today is probably the wealthiest government/tax-free corporation in the world. It owns a good share of America's hospitals and has healthy real estate interests. The bottom line is, if you want to get right with God, you have to go through His Son, Jesus Christ, not the Whore of Babylon (aka the catholic "church").

Praise Jesus!

Come on! Give us a break will you? At least we love children we really do,

watching neighbour kids in a bathtub thrugh the binocular,

Heinrich Brunzel