[Redeemed Papist]

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Thi s is all well and good but how do people end up praying in front of bits of dead people in preference to praying to God?

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

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So if you don't agree with a specific statement of Scripture then it is only metaphorical? How convenient! Paul said what he said and if you can prove it was metaphorical then I am all ears. Otherwise, Mary has missed the boat. BTW the "slavery" statement adds nothing to the conversation.
In Christ, George

As we often advise those who challenge us on Scripture, let's read in context.

1 Corinthians 9:24-27: Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain. And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they [do it] to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible. I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air: But I keep under my body, and bring [it] into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

I'll even (just this once) quote the same passage from the New American Bible, Revised Edition, as posted on the Web site of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops.

Do you not know that the runners in the stadium all run in the race, but only one wins the prize? Run so as to win. Every athlete exercises discipline in every way. They do it to win a perishable crown, but we an imperishable one. Thus I do not run aimlessly; I do not fight as if I were shadowboxing. No, I drive my body and train it, for fear that, after having preached to others, I myself should be disqualified.

So, dear friend, is the subject of that passage a literal race or a literal fight, or does it use analogies? Even your church's commentary calls that passage "a series of miniparables from sports"; are you saying that your church is wrong?

[Mary Etheldreda]

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Otherwise, Mary has missed the boat.

You just can't stand to see the reality of your beloved saint.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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So if you don't agree with a specific statement of Scripture then it is only metaphorical? How convenient! Paul said what he said and if you can prove it was metaphorical then I am all ears. Otherwise, Mary has missed the boat. BTW the "slavery" statement adds nothing to the conversation.
In Christ, George

I see Pastor Peters has already addressed this admirably.

You're offended by "the slavery statement" when the quote you presented had Paul saying "No, I strike a blow to my body and make it my slave . . ."

You saying this is literal means that you believe we should beat ourselves and then enslave ourselves. So I'm not sure why you are offended that I re-stated Paul's statement. Kindly explain.

In Christ (NOT Mary),
Mark

[Faithful Catholic]

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As we often advise those who challenge us on Scripture, let's read in context.

1 Corinthians 9:24-27: Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain. And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they [do it] to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible. I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air: But I keep under my body, and bring [it] into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

I'll even (just this once) quote the same passage from the New American Bible, Revised Edition, as posted on the Web site of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops.

Do you not know that the runners in the stadium all run in the race, but only one wins the prize? Run so as to win. Every athlete exercises discipline in every way. They do it to win a perishable crown, but we an imperishable one. Thus I do not run aimlessly; I do not fight as if I were shadowboxing. No, I drive my body and train it, for fear that, after having preached to others, I myself should be disqualified.

So, dear friend, is the subject of that passage a literal race or a literal fight, or does it use analogies? Even your church's commentary calls that passage "a series of miniparables from sports"; are you saying that your church is wrong?

No question it uses an analogy, but for what purpose? To compare what an athlete does to win a corruptible crown to what Paul does to win an incorruptible one. From the mention of the incorruptible crown Paul is showing how to win this crown. You must ask what the "therefore" is there for. It clearly changes from metaphor to application, from winning in athletics to winning in faith.

And in application, in striving to attain the incorruptible crown Paul brings his body into subjection. What regard does an athlete have for his body during training? He literally breaks it down and builds it up again.

What words does Paul use, from various translations, to say what he does to himself: pommel, bring it into subjection, drive my body, chastise it, buffet it, rough treat it, etc. all to prepare himself for winning the spiritual battle. This makes sense in speaking to the Corinthians who are living lives of excess and sexual impurity.
In Christ, George

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

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No question it uses an analogy, but for what purpose? To compare what an athlete does to win a corruptible crown to what Paul does to win an incorruptible one. From the mention of the incorruptible crown Paul is showing how to win this crown.

I'm with you so far.

You must ask what the "therefore" is there for. It clearly changes from metaphor to application, from winning in athletics to winning in faith.

But if you examine the text closely, you will see that the metaphor continues after the "therefore":

I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air: But I keep under my body, and bring [it] into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

As a consequence, we cannot draw a bright line between metaphor and literal meaning at the "therefore." Where, then, can we draw it, and why?

And in application, in striving to attain the incorruptible crown Paul brings his body into subjection. What regard does an athlete have for his body during training? He literally breaks it down and builds it up again.

What words does Paul use, from various translations, to say what he does to himself: pommel, bring it into subjection, drive my body, chastise it, buffet it, rough treat it, etc. all to prepare himself for winning the spiritual battle. This makes sense in speaking to the Corinthians who are living lives of excess and sexual impurity.
In Christ, George

Maybe an athlete literally does so, but, as I think we can now agree — and, as I pointed out above, the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops teaches — Paul metaphorically does so.

[Mary Etheldreda]

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No question it uses an analogy, but for what purpose? To compare what an athlete does to win a corruptible crown to what Paul does to win an incorruptible one. From the mention of the incorruptible crown Paul is showing how to win this crown. You must ask what the "therefore" is there for. It clearly changes from metaphor to application, from winning in athletics to winning in faith.

And in application, in striving to attain the incorruptible crown Paul brings his body into subjection. What regard does an athlete have for his body during training? He literally breaks it down and builds it up again.

What words does Paul use, from various translations, to say what he does to himself: pommel, bring it into subjection, drive my body, chastise it, buffet it, rough treat it, etc. all to prepare himself for winning the spiritual battle. This makes sense in speaking to the Corinthians who are living lives of excess and sexual impurity.
In Christ, George

The flesh is put into submission for what purpose if not to allow the spirit to accept Christ Jesus as LORD and Master (Romans 10:9)? By accepting Christ, having faith that He is who He says He is (Second Person of the Holy Trinity, not to be confused with Baal, Melqart, Adonis, Eshmun, Attis Tammuz, Asclepius, Orpheus, Ra, Zalmoxis, or Dionysus, some of the other popular "dying gods" of the region of the time Jesus walked the earth), the believer is then "sealed" to the vine, if you will.

And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Ephesians 4:30

And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
John 10:28-29

Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
1st Peter 1:5

Your interpretation of this life-long race only works if Jesus was speaking metaphorically only about everything else having to do with justification. The Roman cultist interpretation of justification came to fruition only in the 16th century when they could no longer successfully oppress True Christians™. What seems logical and historical to you is relatively young in the era of Christendom, a theological late-bloomer of sorts.

[Redeemed Papist]

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I still want to know why they pray to bits of dead people.

[John Creeser]

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Seriously, catholicism is comparable to sadomasochist porn.

The Cilice




The Flagrum





Confraternities of the Cord




They also a bunch of cutters. They hide this sick and twisted practice by proclaiming stigmata.




I'm often torn wondering who is worse; the muslims or catlicks.

Both of which DISGUST ME!!


p.s. actually anyone who is not a True Christian Republican Baptist disgusts me.

[Oliver Brendan Hayve]

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Seriously, catholicism is comparable to sadomasochist porn.

I've seen my fair share of BDSM porn, and it looks as though Catholicism is lot worse.

[Didymus Much]

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I've seen my fair share of BDSM porn, and it looks as though Catholicism is lot worse.

Does Catholicism even have a "safeword"?

[UnsavedBullDyke]

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How wonderful, you're calling out to Jesus instead of His dead mother! Have you realized that Mary-worship is sacrilege, and decided to come to Jesus?



Maybe God will heal your scabs for you now!

Mary isn't worshiped.... She is honored.. Are you not to honor your father and mother..? Why would you not honor and memorialize the mother of God's only begotten son? The woman who carried and nurtured him..

[Dr Laurence Niles]

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Mary isn't worshiped.... She is honored.. Are you not to honor your father and mother..? Why would you not honor and memorialize the mother of God's only begotten son? The woman who carried and nurtured him..

I don't sodomise young boys.

Me: 100000000

Sodomisiming Priest: 0

YIC

[Didymus Much]

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...Why would you not honor and memorialize the mother of God's only begotten son? The woman who carried and nurtured him..

Because Jesus tells them NOT TO.

Luke 11:27-28 "27 And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked. 28 But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it."

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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Mary isn't worshiped.....

Another papist liar exposed.