[Didymus Much]

Re: Did Everyone Who Died Before 1611 Go To Hell?

No, it is now accepted in Catholicism that there is a Purgatory.

So they've changed their story yet again? It's hard to keep up with the "Eternal Church" these days. Btw, there's still NO BIBLICAL SUPPORT for purgatory.

Yes, there are some wacko people in the Vatican, but that is the same story in EVERY top of EVERY religion. Same counts for Baptism as it does for Catholicism really.

Errr, there is no "top" of this religion. Every congregation is independent. The exact distribution of "wackos" here is a topic for a different thread, tho.

[Cavaleiro de Cristo]

Re: Did Everyone Who Died Before 1611 Go To Hell?

Allright, let's look from a different point of view.

Roughly the first sub-group of Christianity is the Orthodox Church (very roughly) In the beginning days it wasn't as we know it today (beautiful iconic art). Slowly but surely it spread around Europe, being forced to take over some pagan features. (Christmas is a very good example of paganisms taken over by Christianity)
When Christianity has settled itself in a strong position in the cradle of Western civilization (Europe), it split up in 1054AD iirc. The Eastern (Orthodox) Church with the Patriarchy in Constantinople versus the Western (Roman Catholic) Church with the Holy See in Rome. Those two groups steadily grow away from each other. Catholicism kicks some butt in South/Latin America as Spanish and Portuguese explorers scout the New World, and Catholicism settles there too.
Now, disaster strikes as an upstart monk rebels against the two main representatives of Catholicism in that era: His holiness the Pope and the Emperor of Germany. Protestantism goes wild and snatches about all of North-West Europe from the Pope's hands. The Anglicans in England split up some more until we finally get the Baptists. Baptists didn't get any noteworthy success in Europe, but grew alot in the English Colonies until where we are now.

Roughly put, Baptism is a branch of Protestantism which on it's own is a branch of Catholicism with is a branch of Christianity itself.

Very rough sketch, but it basically puts everything in place.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Did Everyone Who Died Before 1611 Go To Hell?

Allright, let's look from a different point of view.

Roughly the first sub-group of Christianity is the Orthodox Church (very roughly) In the beginning days it wasn't as we know it today (beautiful iconic art). Slowly but surely it spread around Europe, being forced to take over some pagan features. (Christmas is a very good example of paganisms taken over by Christianity)
When Christianity has settled itself in a strong position in the cradle of Western civilization (Europe), it split up in 1054AD iirc. The Eastern (Orthodox) Church with the Patriarchy in Constantinople versus the Western (Roman Catholic) Church with the Holy See in Rome. Those two groups steadily grow away from each other. Catholicism kicks some butt in South/Latin America as Spanish and Portuguese explorers scout the New World, and Catholicism settles there too.
Now, disaster strikes as an upstart monk rebels against the two main representatives of Catholicism in that era: His holiness the Pope and the Emperor of Germany. Protestantism goes wild and snatches about all of North-West Europe from the Pope's hands. The Anglicans in England split up some more until we finally get the Baptists. Baptists didn't get any noteworthy success in Europe, but grew alot in the English Colonies until where we are now.

Roughly put, Baptism is a branch of Protestantism which on it's own is a branch of Catholicism with is a branch of Christianity itself.

Very rough sketch, but it basically puts everything in place.

Is that what some priest taught you? He was also lying when he called you "special" - but since you seem to like endorsements from pagans, here's one that might interest you:

(on the occasion of Herod's birthday his new wife gave him a "nice birthday present" in the form of a whorish display from her daughter, and Herod was so appreciative that he invited the little tart to chose a gift for herself)
And she went forth, and said unto her mother, What shall I ask? And she said, The head of John the Baptist.

So it seems that Baptists have been around a bit longer than you said! Herodias would feel quite at home in your putrid vatican. It has nothing to do with Christianity - and your single lie about Baptists is quite sufficient a reason to disregard everything else you say.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Did Everyone Who Died Before 1611 Go To Hell?

Allright, let's look from a different point of view.... blahblahblah...

Listen up demon, Baptists were the original Christians. Read about it HERE.

Go spew your hatefulness somewhere else.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Did Everyone Who Died Before 1611 Go To Hell?

Documentary about hell is very incomplete in the bible. When Dante finished his La Divina Commedia ((A very nice crossover between medieval ideals and renaissance ideals, by the way)), it became the most widespread and most accepted idea of hell, heaven and purgatory. Mostly because information about it was very vague in the bible. (Nothing wrong with the bible, though)

Revelation describes Hell most adequately. It is God's Lake of Fire, in which He burns the resurrected damned alive for all eternity.

Dante's levels of hell, purgatory, etc. were invented out of whole cloth. They have nothing to do with the Bible.

No, it is now accepted in Catholicism that there is a Purgatory. Yes, there are some wacko people in the Vatican, but that is the same story in EVERY top of EVERY religion. Same counts for Baptism as it does for Catholicism really.

Um, the Vatican decides what Catholicism is.

Or do you say that the most important tenet of Catholicism -- that the Pope is God's Infallible Representative on Earth -- is false, and that the laypeople can decide what doctrine is instead of the Pope?

You're not even a competent Catholic, much less a Christian!

[Cavaleiro de Cristo]

Re: Did Everyone Who Died Before 1611 Go To Hell?

Is that what some priest taught you? He was also lying when he called you "special" - but since you seem to like endorsements from pagans, here's one that might interest you:

(on the occasion of Herod's birthday his new wife gave him a "nice birthday present" in the form of a whorish display from her daughter, and Herod was so appreciative that he invited the little tart to chose a gift for herself)
And she went forth, and said unto her mother, What shall I ask? And she said, The head of John the Baptist.

So it seems that Baptists have been around a bit longer than you said! Herodias would feel quite at home in your putrid vatican. It has nothing to do with Christianity - and your single lie about Baptists is quite sufficient a reason to disregard everything else you say.

That guys beheading doesn't mean anything. There are no accounts of the Baptist religion roughly before the 1600's

[Lola Handcock]

Re: Did Everyone Who Died Before 1611 Go To Hell?

That guys beheading doesn't mean anything. There are no accounts of the Baptist religion roughly before the 1600's

John the Baptist, Baptized Jesus and Jesus was born 2011 years ago. Math is hard huh.

[Cavaleiro de Cristo]

Re: Did Everyone Who Died Before 1611 Go To Hell?

Baptist religon itself didn't occur until around the 1600s.

History is hard, huh.

[Cursed]

Re: Did Everyone Who Died Before 1611 Go To Hell?

Baptist religon itself didn't occur until around the 1600s.

History is hard, huh.

The Baptist religion itself started when John the Baptist started being called John the Baptist.

That's why his name is "The Baptist."

Learning is fun, huh?

[Cavaleiro de Cristo]

Re: Did Everyone Who Died Before 1611 Go To Hell?

You're wrong about that, go study some history, lad.


It was a branch of Anglicanism, that is just basic knowledge. Do you have some inferiority complex? Because other religons have done much greater things in the past than Baptism has? Because Baptism couldn't take pride of repelling the Muslims from Iberia, or the construction of huge and majestic cathedrals? Or because your history is boring compared to the awesome and turbulent histories of other religions?
Don't be sad about it, I'm sure history books in the far future will mention baptism in some unimportant phrase.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Did Everyone Who Died Before 1611 Go To Hell?

You're wrong about that, go study some history, lad.


It was a branch of Anglicanism, that is just basic knowledge. Do you have some inferiority complex? Because other religons have done much greater things in the past than Baptism has? Because Baptism couldn't take pride of repelling the Muslims from Iberia, or the construction of huge and majestic cathedrals? Or because your history is boring compared to the awesome and turbulent histories of other religions?
Don't be sad about it, I'm sure history books in the far future will mention baptism in some unimportant phrase.

• Baptists brought millions of Africans to Christianity by removing them from their pagan enabling environment and putting them in productive salvation threw work programs here in America.
• Baptists saved the world from the growing North American Indian threat - name one European city has been destroyed by Native Americans on the Baptist's watch.
• Baptists created the World Greatest Wealth engine in history out of the American wildness (once the Native American threat had been removed)
• Baptist led armies saved Europe and Asia twice from secularists dictators in the last century.

As for ornate churches, we Baptists worship God, not statues.

[Cavaleiro de Cristo]

Re: Did Everyone Who Died Before 1611 Go To Hell?

Ah, yes, nice parody version of real Baptist history. Baptist armies also lost the Vietnam war against raff-taff militias with Russian guns and shovels. Or is that war just some satire?

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Did Everyone Who Died Before 1611 Go To Hell?

I have removed your impudent words as I do not think that you would have done. As you are an unthinking sheep led by men in women's clothes, I fell that the Wiki article about Baptists will be at your level of thinking.

As you read it, please pay attention to this extract:

The predominant view of Baptist origins is that Baptists came along in historical development in the century after the rise of the original Protestant denominations. This view of Baptist origins has the most historical support and is the most widely accepted.

You will note that the article is not written by a Baptist and is hedged about with ifs, buts and conditionals. This is speculation in the extreme.

A moment's thought would bring you to the conclusion that the Baptists were not created overnight and yet once their churches opened, they were filled! PRAISE!

Does this not indicate that previous congregations were Baptist all along and awaiting the moment that their Savior called them to proper worship?

As the answer must be , "Yes, Mr Bathfire, Sir, it does." I expect an apology.

(As if a papist could ever tell the truth on anything!)

[Cavaleiro de Cristo]

Re: Did Everyone Who Died Before 1611 Go To Hell?

Don't be silly, Baptism shows alot of similarities with original Protestantism, and there are no records of Baptism before England wanted to get rid of those twits and sent them to their Colonies.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Did Everyone Who Died Before 1611 Go To Hell?

Don't be silly, Baptism shows alot of similarities with original Protestantism, and there are no records of Baptism before England wanted to get rid of those twits and sent them to their Colonies.

Would that be somehow like England wanted rid of the Catholic twits?