[John Creeser]

Re: PROOF God is REAL!

But that is precisely my point. The internet is an invented concept not defined in the Bible. But we do not fear the internet.

What difference is that from gravity? Of course we could argue that God invented the internet to spread his word, but then why can't we argue that God invented gravity to keep his children grounded?

It seems we continue to redefine what is and isn't Scripture to fit our needs (or in some cases comfort levels) every time a new discovery occurs. But we shouldn't find the need to continually defend our religion against science - God invented science.

There is no mention of Capitalism in the Bible - this too is a modern concept. But God has provided us with the power of reason. The ability to analyze the economic systems that have preceded us and create something better. And I don't think most Americans Christians would consider Capitalism evil - though it's certainly imperfect.

My point is that we continue to feel threatened by new discoveries because we fear that in some way they're either sent from the Devil or are attempting to disprove the existence of God. Meanwhile God invented everything that has been discovered and everything that has yet to be discovered by man. We should not fear, but embrace the excitement and potential wonder of all the discoveries yet to come, which He has ultimately provided.

Concepts like the internet, gravity, economy and science are not inherently evil, nor do they inherently disprove God's existence. Atheists will use them however they wish to support their beliefs, just as many fearing Christians will refute them to protect theirs. In either case these concepts still come from God.

Finally, we must be very careful with how we define what's the right belief. How can there exist right and wrong in the eyes of faith. We must respect our differing beliefs and their colorful, multifarious nature. We cannot say the Atheist is wrong - his/her faith dictates to them that there is no God. We cannot say the Muslim is wrong - his/her faith dictates to them that Allah send them the prophet Muhammad. Just as they can never say that the Christian is mistaken - for our faith dictates that God appeared to us in the flesh, as Jesus Christ, and who's death and resurrection provided our salvation.

Faith can never be truly right nor truly wrong. There is no guarantee in, or absolute notion of, any one belief system. If there were, there would be no reason for multiple religions - for why would there be if we had irrefutable proof that one was truly right? We can only believe it to be true.

God exists in our hearts. He is a matter of personal expression and individual love. And how can anyone refute that?

Multiple religions = multiple people headed for eternal damnation. There is only one God, the Bible tells us;

Deuteronomy 4:35 Unto thee it was shown, that thou mightest know that the LORD he is God; there is none else beside him.

In short, modern day science tells us the Earth is billions of years old; nonsense. The genealogy of the Bible tells us the Earth is 6000 years old. That is reason enough for me to dismiss modern day science as nothing more than an atheist agenda to discredit His word.

Also, this isn't a debate forum, we are here to worship His word, not question it.

2 Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

And before you continue, as I have asked before, follow the link in my previous response and introduce yourself.

Thank you.

[one_young_man]

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Thank you for your replies. I have done as requested.

Thank you

[one_young_man]

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But that is precisely my point. The internet is an invented concept not defined in the Bible. But we do not fear the internet.

What difference is that from gravity? Of course we could argue that God invented the internet to spread his word, but then why can't we argue that God invented gravity to keep his children grounded?

It seems we continue to redefine what is and isn't Scripture to fit our needs (or in some cases comfort levels) every time a new discovery occurs. But we shouldn't find the need to continually defend our religion against science - God invented science.

There is no mention of Capitalism in the Bible - this too is a modern concept. But God has provided us with the power of reason. The ability to analyze the economic systems that have preceded us and create something better. And I don't think most Americans Christians would consider Capitalism evil - though it's certainly imperfect.

My point is that we continue to feel threatened by new discoveries because we fear that in some way they're either sent from the Devil or are attempting to disprove the existence of God. Meanwhile God invented everything that has been discovered and everything that has yet to be discovered by man. We should not fear, but embrace the excitement and potential wonder of all the discoveries yet to come, which He has ultimately provided.

Concepts like the internet, gravity, economy and science are not inherently evil, nor do they inherently disprove God's existence. Atheists will use them however they wish to support their beliefs, just as many fearing Christians will refute them to protect theirs. In either case these concepts still come from God.

Finally, we must be very careful with how we define what's the right belief. How can there exist right and wrong in the eyes of faith. We must respect our differing beliefs and their colorful, multifarious nature. We cannot say the Atheist is wrong - his/her faith dictates to them that there is no God. We cannot say the Muslim is wrong - his/her faith dictates to them that Allah send them the prophet Muhammad. Just as they can never say that the Christian is mistaken - for our faith dictates that God appeared to us in the flesh, as Jesus Christ, and who's death and resurrection provided our salvation.

Faith can never be truly right nor truly wrong. There is no guarantee in, or absolute notion of, any one belief system. If there were, there would be no reason for multiple religions - for why would there be if we had irrefutable proof that one was truly right? We can only believe it to be true.

God exists in our hearts. He is a matter of personal expression and individual love. And how can anyone refute that?

[Zechariah Smyth]

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blah blah blah

God exists in our hearts. He is a matter of personal expression and individual love.

I'd feel more comfortable if you would provide supporting Scripture for these claims.

Yours in Christ,

Z. Smyth

[Mary Etheldreda]

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My point is that we continue to feel threatened by new discoveries because we fear that in some way they're either sent from the Devil or are attempting to disprove the existence of God.

Hi, and welcome to our friendly forums! I'm afraid you're quite confused here. We're not afraid of anything save the Lord (Matthew 10:28). No one here is afraid of new discoveries, we simply discern false claims from the Truth. Do you have a problem with the Truth? It seems to me you do, because why else would you find a kind and friendly church forum and then accuse everyone of being heartless cowards? I think there is some hidden fear that resides in deep in your heart, and yet your soul is crying out for the Truth. This would explain why you simultaneously ridicule and respect us. Your flesh desires the ridicule, as it is governed by sin, but your soul desires the Truth at is is crying out for its Creator. I find it interesting that rather than read the Holy Bible for yourself, you are playing some subtle game of "Gotcha" with people who have a desire only to serve and love the LORD.

Finally, we must be very careful with how we define what's the right belief. How can there exist right and wrong in the eyes of faith. We must respect our differing beliefs and their colorful, multifarious nature. We cannot say the Atheist is wrong - his/her faith dictates to them that there is no God. We cannot say the Muslim is wrong - his/her faith dictates to them that Allah send them the prophet Muhammad. Just as they can never say that the Christian is mistaken - for our faith dictates that God appeared to us in the flesh, as Jesus Christ, and who's death and resurrection provided our salvation.

Faith can never be truly right nor truly wrong. There is no guarantee in, or absolute notion of, any one belief system. If there were, there would be no reason for multiple religions - for why would there be if we had irrefutable proof that one was truly right? We can only believe it to be true.

God exists in our hearts. He is a matter of personal expression and individual love. And how can anyone refute that?

Well, the LORD for one refutes that pretty clearly (Matthew 12:30 ). Do you mean to suggest that God wasn't quite sure what He meant when He wrote the Scriptures? Do you mean to suggest that God was intentionally vague and misleading? Do you mean to suggest that in addition to the 40,000+ Christian denominations and thousands of other religions, people with no religion or made up new age beliefs are all correct, even though the diametrically oppose each other? Do you really mean to suggest A can at the same time be A and not A? That's foolishness, dear. Are you potted up on weed right now, because that's the only thing that makes sense here.

[MitzaLizalor]

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I'd feel more comfortable if you would provide supporting Scripture for these claims.

Yours in Christ,

Z. Smyth

Herre's one for capitalism: I hope that is helpful.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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But that is precisely my point. The internet is an invented concept not defined in the Bible. But we do not fear the internet.

What difference is that from gravity? Of course we could argue that God invented the internet to spread his word, but then why can't we argue that God invented gravity to keep his children grounded?

It seems we continue to redefine what is and isn't Scripture to fit our needs (or in some cases comfort levels) every time a new discovery occurs. But we shouldn't find the need to continually defend our religion against science - God invented science.

There is no mention of Capitalism in the Bible - this too is a modern concept. But God has provided us with the power of reason. The ability to analyze the economic systems that have preceded us and create something better. And I don't think most Americans Christians would consider Capitalism evil - though it's certainly imperfect.

My point is that we continue to feel threatened by new discoveries because we fear that in some way they're either sent from the Devil or are attempting to disprove the existence of God. Meanwhile God invented everything that has been discovered and everything that has yet to be discovered by man. We should not fear, but embrace the excitement and potential wonder of all the discoveries yet to come, which He has ultimately provided.

Concepts like the internet, gravity, economy and science are not inherently evil, nor do they inherently disprove God's existence. Atheists will use them however they wish to support their beliefs, just as many fearing Christians will refute them to protect theirs. In either case these concepts still come from God.

Finally, we must be very careful with how we define what's the right belief. How can there exist right and wrong in the eyes of faith. We must respect our differing beliefs and their colorful, multifarious nature. We cannot say the Atheist is wrong - his/her faith dictates to them that there is no God. We cannot say the Muslim is wrong - his/her faith dictates to them that Allah send them the prophet Muhammad. Just as they can never say that the Christian is mistaken - for our faith dictates that God appeared to us in the flesh, as Jesus Christ, and who's death and resurrection provided our salvation.

Faith can never be truly right nor truly wrong. There is no guarantee in, or absolute notion of, any one belief system. If there were, there would be no reason for multiple religions - for why would there be if we had irrefutable proof that one was truly right? We can only believe it to be true.

God exists in our hearts. He is a matter of personal expression and individual love. And how can anyone refute that?

There is no mention of Coca Cola(r) in the Bible, either. Nor cheeseburgers.

God doesn't exist in your heart. He ACTUALLY exists, just as real as the very fires of hell.

You are making a typical false Christian mistake. You want to make claims based on what YOU can understand from God's Holy Word. The trouble is, you don't understand the Holy Word. Because your father is satan.

John 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 8:45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

[one_young_man]

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Hi, and welcome to our friendly forums! I'm afraid you're quite confused here. We're not afraid of anything save the Lord (Matthew 10:28). No one here is afraid of new discoveries, we simply discern false claims from the Truth. Do you have a problem with the Truth? It seems to me you do, because why else would you find a kind and friendly church forum and then accuse everyone of being heartless cowards? I think there is some hidden fear that resides in deep in your heart, and yet your soul is crying out for the Truth. This would explain why you simultaneously ridicule and respect us. Your flesh desires the ridicule, as it is governed by sin, but your soul desires the Truth at is is crying out for its Creator. I find it interesting that rather than read the Holy Bible for yourself, you are playing some subtle game of "Gotcha" with people who have a desire only to serve and love the LORD.

Well, the LORD for one refutes that pretty clearly (Matthew 12:30 ). Do you mean to suggest that God wasn't quite sure what He meant when He wrote the Scriptures? Do you mean to suggest that God was intentionally vague and misleading? Do you mean to suggest that in addition to the 40,000+ Christian denominations and thousands of other religions, people with no religion or made up new age beliefs are all correct, even though the diametrically oppose each other? Do you really mean to suggest A can at the same time be A and not A? That's foolishness, dear. Are you potted up on weed right now, because that's the only thing that makes sense here.

Sister Mary, I now admit this is the beginning of a break through, Praise Jesus! But I wish not to bore you with the details here as I have already exclaimed my personal revelation at the tail end of my introduction message. Please pardon all previous submissions of false inquiry and transgression. For they were nothing more than a poor-lamb's attempt at ensuring the truth found in these pages stood in accordance with what the good people of my own community have been preaching for more than 400 years - the truth found only in the KJV1611 Bible.

I shall heretofore not interpret, nor question, nor transgress that which this community has put forth - if, that is, it has been put forth through the Good Lord, Jesus Christ!

YIC Good Sister

[I Bring the truth]

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Science has proven in several ways that the earth is older than 6000 years like the 7000 year old tree found in 2010 and what do you guys have one book what does the the word bible mean it means book bet half you guys didn't know that that's why it's called the holy bible not just bible. So what if the bible was just some book a guy wrote to troll people and make them live there lives in a good way knowing that when they died they would never know he lied so there life was wasted

[Zechariah Smyth]

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Science has proven in several ways that the earth is older than 6000 years like the 7000 year old tree

*snip*

Good grief, you Jesus-haters are so full of baloney. Even your precious Wickedpedia entry for it gives a range of between 2,170 and 7,200 years old.

Look, I'm no rocket surgeon but that is a spread of over 5,000 years, or a margin of error of SEVENTY PERCENT!!!



Yeah...I think I'll stick with the infallible Word of God, thank you very much.

Yours in Christ,

Z. Smyth

[Ex-soccer player]

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So what if the bible was just some book a guy wrote to troll people and make them live there lives in a good way knowing that when they died they would never know he lied so there life was wasted

That's right, for somebody like you the Bible is "just some book" To understand the Bible you need the inspiration and the guidance of the Holy Spirit, but you are clearly inspired and guided by satan.


For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. - 1 Corinthians 1:18-21

For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. - Isaiah 55:8-9

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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Where do I begin! First, I don't really know very many big words, and I'm not that great at math, just passing. The only thing I got going for me is the wisdom God blesses me with! People sometimes ask me, "How do you know God is real? Can you prove it? Here's the thing... I don't prove God is real, HE proves He's real to me! And I know because He ( I won't say talks) communicates with me! He does it in a way that I know it's Him! There is no mistaking it, and I promise I'm not delusional.

The reason God can hear 5 million prayers at the same time is because there are Millions of dimensions. Since God is a Spirit and He is everywhere, He hears every prayer. BTW, Satan is only in one dimension and he can only be in one place at a time. But he has fallen angels (demons) by the thousands doing his evil works for him. All that to say this... Millions of dimensions are not empty places.

There is plenty going on we can't comprehend. God is on such a higher plane than us. As much as we try, We can not expect what makes sense to us to apply to God. In other words, we can not bring Him down to our level! We try to prove things on our level. There are things that are on such a higher level that our level of thinking is like us trying to tell cavemen about jet airplanes or computers, they just can't comprehend any of it.

There are scientists who also teach bible prophesy who also study the stars, universe. One of these scientists told me, "God created the whole vast universe 'just to sustain the earth'". That means in our universe, life only exists on Earth! Now perhaps (I'm guessing) in another dimensions, there is other universes where God created life on another planet! I don't know if Jesus had to die for other peoples' sins on other worlds in other dimensions! But I do know this.. Jesus would do it a thousand of times to please the Father! God says in the Bible, "Jesus would have come to the earth and die that same death on the cross if YOU were the only person on this planet. HE would have came to die JUST FOR YOU!" wow, so YES, I believe Jesus would die a thousand times for all worlds, if be needed.

[John Allen]

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Are people this stupid that they needed this? In my opinion, anybody who doesn't believe in God 2 Corinthians 6:14-18 (Here God shows how much he doesn't like them) and people who don't follow the law ALL OF IT James 2:10 are stupid. Why need proof and not just believe?

[WWJDnow]

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Are people this stupid that they needed this? In my opinion, anybody who doesn't believe in God 2 Corinthians 6:14-18 (Here God shows how much he doesn't like them) and people who don't follow the law ALL OF IT James 2:10 are stupid. Why need proof and not just believe?

Unfortunately, people ARE that stupid. Any rational person who examines the evidence can see plainly that God created everything, not to mention that there's irrefutable eyewitness testimony in the Holy Bible, King James 1611 version. But there are some people who demand that every single detail be proved before they will believe something. Mostly these skeptics are people who are upset with God. But, even so, we don't want to lose ALL of their souls to Satan, so we have to keep trying, tedious though it might be. Eventually, some people who visit our website will get it.

[DEMETRA]

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You are mean and horrifyingly intolerent. How dare you insult other people? Seems satan is YOUR subtle fetish.