[Cranky Old Man]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

seen one? yes. seen it fly? yes.

You have actually witnessed a space probe flying around the sun? Did it burn to be that close to the sun? Or are you lying?

Leviticus 6:3 "Or have found that which was lost, and lieth concerning it, and sweareth falsely; in any of all these that a man doeth, sinning therein"

You are hindering people believe what they want. Let them all die, god knows his own.

You are free to believe whatever you want, that's why God has given you free will. You are free to believe in Jesus and go to Heaven or to deny Jesus and go to hell. The choice is all yours.

[James Hutchins]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Mark, I appreciate your tenacity. As much as many here want to believe your tales, it is still based on a lot of assumptions and not fact. Just to give you an example. You 'space probe' You know for a FACT that it has gone every single direction around the sun, that its' navigation equipment was properly identifying its' precise location because you were there or because "Some guy you heard of knew another guy that wrote it down.
See, I am no professional astro person. But I read a Deacon (not just a Pastor but a Deacon) explain it. Then you come along, spouting all this stuff that sounds far fetched that you cannot prove, I mean really, you've been to the sun so you know about the helium? Toy do not even type squeaky. But then the Deacon talks about coal, I have seen coal, I have burned it.

[James Hutchins]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

seen one? yes.
seen it fly? yes.
mankind can build ICBM's, which is practically a space shuttle. If we can build those we can build satallites that can go around the sun.

Believe the bible, noone's hindering you. You are hindering people believe what they want.
Let them all die, god knows his own.

(this ought to be good) Tell me Mark, just how were you able to see a space probe fly? Were you in outter space?

[MarkHenry]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Telescopes and radars.
Also about "assumptions". Helium does burn. Take a balloon at a birthday party, which is filled with helium. Put the balloon over a candel and watch the explosion.
During fire, as we know it, electrons which are in an excited state (contain lots of energy), loose this excess energy by dropping down a few energy levels and radiating electromagnetically (heat). Because the different elements have different amounts of electrons, the electromagnetic radiation varies from element to element.
Scientists took a lot of time to burn a lot of elements and record their spectrum of light, thus creating tabels and charts to help identify what elemental composition a certain fire has. It's not an assumption.

Also about coal. It burns. Like oil, hydrogen gas, paper, 100% oxygen, alcohol, wax, cotton, kerosene, gunpowder, plastic etc. If you look at the spectral class of the sun, you will find that the dominant light spectrum will be produced by hydrogen.

I don't assume anything if i try to prove a point, this would only fall back on me.


The sun is round, it's powered by nuclear fusion, the sun is incomprehensively big so any attempt to understand its size will fail. Humans are not made to comprehend those astronomical sizes, we can barely comprehend the size of our planet.

Believe in the bible, but don't close your eyes to evidence. What if the "dome" surrounding the earth just has a really really high roof? Nothing against this in the bible. It's a dome, but i never read a specific size so it can be 1km or 100 million km.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Helium does burn.

Actually it doesn't. You clearly didn't pay attention while your parents home schooled you.

the sun is incomprehensively big so any attempt to understand its size will fail. Humans are not made to comprehend those astronomical sizes, we can barely comprehend the size of our planet.

You don't believe in God and you don't believe in numbers? Is Satan the only thing you believe in?

It's a dome, but i never read a specific size so it can be 1km or 100 million km.

Which is why Pastor Billy-Reuben did some scientific research so we can all admire Gods great work even more!

[viasindios]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Praise the Lord! He has shown me how to prove scientifically that the sun is no more than 500 miles overhead.

Here is the proof:

To start off with, the sun is hot enough to glow yellow, so we can use Wein's Displacement Law to determine the temperature.

Wein's Displacement Law:
Peak Wavelength in meters = displacement constant / temperature in Kelvin

Yellow light has a wavelength between 570nm and 580nm, so we'll solve for 575nm. Since we are working with nanometers rather than meters, we'll simplify the math by multiplying the displacement constant by 10^9.

575 = 2897768.5/T
575 * T = 2897768.5
T = 2897768.5/575
T = 5039.6° K (8611.6° F)

So the sun is about 5039.6° Kelvin.

Now, the average temperature of the earth is 59° F, or about 288° K. The mean temperature gradient of the troposphere is 6° K/km, so let's solve for the distance.

d = (5039.6 - 288)/6
d = 791.9 km (491.1 miles)

There you have it. The sun is roughly 491.1 miles overhead. Depending on the exact shade of yellow (whether it's closer to 570nm or 580nm), this figure could be off by as much as 5 miles. However, I don't have a spectrometer handy, and I'm willing to live with an uncertainty of ±5 miles. It's not like I'm planning to visit anytime soon -- my shoes would melt .

The LORD is so good to me. Praise the sweet name of Jesus.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

i do beleive ther are two other planets....venus and uh mercury? both planeys have incredible gravity, rougly 4x more than earth, and a molten surface...... i dont want to shoot your logic down, but please help me understand, is there other planets closer than 500 miles from us, that im oblivious of?

[viasindios]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Mark, again, there are assumptions you made. You are assuming the Sun is a giant ball. You are assuming that this ball has a non-stop nuclear fusion occurring that no scientist can duplicate. There are two of many assumptions. You'll agree with that, right?

Now, what if it were coal? We know coal burns, right? What if, instead of the Sun being a ball or a flat disk, it was shaped like a hot dog wiener, only trillions of miles long. However, we only see the wiener from the rounded end. No one has ever see the back part. Maybe it burns like a road flare and the obscures the back. You have to admit, this is a possibility. If the wiener was long enough, there could be so much coal as to last for eternity (or at least as Gods wants it to).

You have to admit, it is possible.

umm...... we see the back end of the sun every 6 months, we REVOLVE around it. the sun does not have a non stop nuclear reaction, in fact it should die out in about 20 to 30 billions of years, in that time it will have expanded past mars, eating our planet like a marshmallow, and then it will begin to contract, we see it in different stages of EVERY STAR you can see. each star is in different phases and humans have even witnessed about 4 suns colapsing and being born, it takes a few days but it is proven. some stars you see at night have colapses millions of years ago, but you still see the light becaue the collapse has not reached the distance light needs to travel to get to earth.

[Star Finder]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

1: Show that the sun is powered by nuclear fusion instead of by coal,

are you an idiot? dropped on your head?

we get a lot of them here.... retards, grunties, seplacakas...

sad, always,

I would feel sorry for you but you are the easiest shattards to capture for the sacrifice so I am happy to meet you!!

[Smallfryzie]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Hi! I got linked here and I'm not sure I understand. Pastor Billy-Reuben's calculations make sense, but I'm not sure I understand why the sun is made of coal. Can someone please explain this to me.

[Professor]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

I am also confused, can you explain to me what a troposhpere is?

Appart from that, and the coal (has already been asked), everything looks great, nice work

[MarkHenry]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

To all of the above and before. Coal needs oxygen to burn. There is no oxygen in space.

WHERE DO YOU GET OXYGEN? PHOTOSYNTHESIS! Proven fact!

If there are no plants on the sun, it can't get oxygen for the coal.
Try this: Take a candel, light it, put it in a glas jar and close the jar. The candel will go out within seconds.
Coal needs oxygen, we got no oxygen in the sun.
Nuclear fusion needs hydrogen, the sun is over 98% hydrogen.

[James Hutchins]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Mark, I have read the last few of your posts. There are so many glaring errors and mis-assumptions I do not know where to start.

When coal burns, it creates CO2 as one of its' byproducts, right?
All the buring coal creates the sun. You state (more or less incorrectly because it is painfully obvious you have no idea whatsoever what you are talking about) that to 'make oxygen, you need sunlight" Well, the sun is sunlight. What better place to get sunlight that at the source? Ever had spring water? It is always better at the source.

Mark, you are aware, there are no glass jars around the sun, don't you?

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

eating our planet like a marshmallow

Did you smoke pot before you wrote this? You clearly have been reading the wrong books. It is time to start reading the 1 book that explains it all. The Holy Bible.

[MarkHenry]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

look james.
If you find errors in the calculations please state them, you supposedly have an university degree.

Also to create oxygen you need photosynthesis. If you have not light, you won't get oxygen and hence no fire. There can't be first a fire without oxygen.

Really, you try to show me errors but you can't find any, so you try to say i have assumptions, where there are none, than you try to say i'm stupid and of story.
So far noone has been able to show me any errors in my calculations, hence they are true till you show me errors.

Isn't this how you do things? Till atheists disprove existance of god you are right. Ok now on this topic, untill you prove that I made a mistake YOU are wrong.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Also to create oxygen you need photosynthesis.

Just a minute; first you say oxygen is created in stars, then you say plants. Where are you with this one?

If you have not light, you won't get oxygen and hence no fire.

Which would seem to blow your "oxygen theory" out of the water.

There can't be first a fire without oxygen.

I'm not sure about this; is it not so that God can do anything?

untill you prove that I made a mistake YOU are wrong.

see above.