[Peter]

Re: Other planets, how do you explain them?

This is your opinion; who are you to say what "everyone" knows? Are you God? No, I don't think you are. This is not proof.

The bible isn't proof either.

God says it's 3. Perhaps you need to think outside your Euclidean geometries.

What is a book against real proof? I rather believe the real proof instead of the book.

Wrong. You perceive a particular shape and incorrectly assign it the name of "leg". Clearly, you are incorrect. God says that grasshoppers have four legs. Therefore, they must also have two arms.

If you want to believe that, that's fine, but if you think these two legs (or as you call them: arms) don't exist, than you should look again.

If you turn off all the lights and sit in a dark room, what color is the tennis ball? Black?

No, the color looks black but it still is green.

Dogs are color-blind. What color is the ball when you toss it for your dog? Light grey?

That's because their eyes don't need to detect colors, but it still is green.

The ball isn't green. Your perception, as colored by the sensory organs God gave you, indicate "green" when you look at the tennis ball

Actually the ball IS green.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Other planets, how do you explain them?

Actually the ball IS green.

So what you are saying is perception is besides the point? THE TRUTH™ is the ball is green, who ever the viewer is irrelevant to the ball being green. Pete, this is part of the Christian message; the ball is green and will always be green even if every possible viewer is blind.

I think it is time for you it hit the tithing button Pete and accept Jesus.

[OnYourKnees]

Re: Other planets, how do you explain them?

Actually the ball IS green.

Actually, the ball is NOT green.

"Green" is the combination of the attributes of the ball (what light waves it reflects, which it can only reflect in the presence of the right kind of light) AND the capabilities of your eye AND the processing by your brain, all introduced to your consciousness (that is, soul) as "green".

The ball is only "green" for humans and other creations of God with normal color vision. For colorblind animals or humans, it is not "green". For humans or animals with partial colorblindness, it may be "pink" or "blue".

"Green" cannot exist without someone to interpret it.

Some birds and insects can see the ultraviolet spectrum. They could see the tennis ball as several different colors, none of them "green". Look it up.

For a supposed "scientist", you don't seem to have much of a basis in science. Are you sure you're not just a smug, self-assured Satanist?

[R-R-R]

Re: Other planets, how do you explain them?

What is a book against real proof? I rather believe the real proof instead of the book.

And how can you be so sure it is real? Such mindsets might just as well be the result of many years of indoctrination...

[SalvationSeeker]

Re: Other planets, how do you explain them?

1. Everyone knows that religions are made to control peoples lives, so al religions are made up nonsense.

No. This is an opinon, not truth.
But then, science is all about theory and belief anyways..
But if you want to call your opinons truth, then atleast TRY to prove them!

2. How can someone create a universe in six days. (If it should be 6000 years, how come Hubble made photographs from before 6000 years?)

Prove creating the universe in six days would be impossible for God.

3. If you draw a circle with a radius of 1 cm, then you'll see that the circumference is not 3, but 3,1416...

Prove your definition of pi is correct.

4. You can see that a grasshopper has 6 legs.

Prove that they aren't just ornamental feelers. (or some such)

What is a book against real proof? I rather believe the real proof instead of the book.

Prove that your "real proof" is genuine.

[Rachael Van Helsing]

Re: Other planets, how do you explain them?

Don't listen to these crazies, Peter, you bring up some very good points.

However I must concede that color perception can, indeed, alter with light. Light sources have an effect upon color. But it is the composition of the object which determines what color it will be when a light source strikes it. Different types of light source also make a difference.

But, the point to be made here, is that a green ball will ALWAYS appear a certain way under each different type of light source. It won't keep changing from color to color to color.

[OnYourKnees]

Re: Other planets, how do you explain them?

Don't listen to these crazies, Peter, you bring up some very good points.

However I must concede that color perception can, indeed, alter with light. Light sources have an effect upon color. But it is the composition of the object which determines what color it will be when a light source strikes it. Different types of light source also make a difference.

But, the point to be made here, is that a green ball will ALWAYS appear a certain way under each different type of light source. It won't keep changing from color to color to color.

It will still look different to different perceivers, based upon their God-given "equipment" and processing.

[Rachael Van Helsing]

Re: Other planets, how do you explain them?

It will still look different to different perceivers, based upon their God-given "equipment" and processing.

Maybe so but there will ALWAYS be a constant factor.

For instance. Green ball. Seen by normal-sighted humans as green. Seen by dogs as possibly gray. By monkeys as...whatever colors monkeys see as. But it will be seen the same by the same group of animals. The same by all humans with normal and not color-blind vision. Even the same to certain types of color-blindness.
The chemical composition of the ball means there will always be a constant factor, that doesn't just randomly change.
So there.

[OnYourKnees]

Re: Other planets, how do you explain them?

Maybe so but there will ALWAYS be a constant factor.

For instance. Green ball. Seen by normal-sighted humans as green. Seen by dogs as possibly gray. By monkeys as...whatever colors monkeys see as. But it will be seen the same by the same group of animals. The same by all humans with normal and not color-blind vision. Even the same to certain types of color-blindness.
The chemical composition of the ball means there will always be a constant factor, that doesn't just randomly change.
So there.

I never said it did . . . I said that the existence of an attribute requires both the perceived and the perceiver, since "green" is something we can perceive but which may be perceived differently by other Creations of God. So to you!

[Rachael Van Helsing]

Re: Other planets, how do you explain them?

I never said it did . . . I said that the existence of an attribute requires both the perceived and the perceiver, since "green" is something we can perceive but which may be perceived differently by other Creations of God. So to you!

Yes, but what I was maintining that while color perception may differ it doesn't matter, as the composition which CAUSES those perceptions remains at a constant!
So right back at you!!

[SalvationSeeker]

Re: Other planets, how do you explain them?

Yes, but what I was maintining that while color perception may differ it doesn't matter, as the composition which CAUSES those perceptions remains at a constant!

All this secular and unproven mumbo jumbo is getting on my nerves..
So I'm just gonna go right out and say it: PROVE IT!

[Rachael Van Helsing]

Re: Other planets, how do you explain them?

Fine, gimme a lab, some lab techs, a place where you can come into the lab and see tennis balls dissected and their different chemical components analyzed, in a bunch of the same type of tennis balls, and then you'll see something.
So to you too.

[OnYourKnees]

Re: Other planets, how do you explain them?

Yes, but what I was maintining that while color perception may differ it doesn't matter, as the composition which CAUSES those perceptions remains at a constant!
So right back at you!!

How do you know it remains constant, if you're not always watching?

Maybe God changes the color regularly.

[Rachael Van Helsing]

Re: Other planets, how do you explain them?

How do you know it remains constant, if you're not always watching?

Maybe God changes the color regularly.

I'm not talking color, I'm talking chemical composition. And that won't change, if it did, the ball would most likely change in a noticeable manner so that it no longer appeared as green.

[SalvationSeeker]

Re: Other planets, how do you explain them?

Fine, gimme a lab, some lab techs, a place where you can come into the lab and see tennis balls dissected and their different chemical components analyzed, in a bunch of the same type of tennis balls, and then you'll see something.

Prove that your chemical analysis works and prove that your interpretation of it's results would always be correct.
You can't.


And while you're at it, prove to me you aren't really a talking goldfish!
You can't even prove THAT beyond doubt, and yet you believe you can disprove God's existance!?