[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Re: Religion and Science....uh oh!

There's other routes it could go though, maybe science and religion are BOTH right, I guess is what I'm trying to get at

First off, let's forget the imaginary notion of "science" vs. "religion". Both encompass too general of topics. So let me ask you which of the following are you trying to say?

Creation Science and Christianity are BOTH right.

Secular Science (Darwinism, old-earth geology, etc.) and Christianity are not both right. Only Christianity is.

Creation Science and Islam are not both right. Creation Science is, Islam is not.

Etc.

I think what you mean to say is Secular Science and Christianity are the same. Which they are not. Is this what you're trying to tell us?

[Zeldafan]

Re: Religion and Science....uh oh!

First off, let's forget the imaginary notion of "science" vs. "religion". Both encompass too general of topics. So let me ask you which of the following are you trying to say?

Creation Science and Christianity are BOTH right.

Secular Science (Darwinism, old-earth geology, etc.) and Christianity are not both right. Only Christianity is.

Creation Science and Islam are not both right. Creation Science is, Islam is not.

Etc.

I think what you mean to say is Secular Science and Christianity are the same. Which they are not. Is this what you're trying to tell us?

Not so much "the same" as they are two pieces to the same puzzle, two sides of the same coin.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Religion and Science....uh oh!

Basically what I'm trying to say..."magic" 1000 years ago is our science today. So maybe 1000 years from now, our "magic" today will be their science.

Anyone agree/disagree? Let me know!

I'm not sure what magic was around 1,000 years ago - give me a clue? Do you mean something like demon possession? I don't see much progress in that area from science.

I didn't even bring evolution into this? Lol wtf?

I'm saying...MAYBE...1000 years from now, science and religion will understand each other and be able to live in harmony.

If you put "maybe" in a sentence, you can write any amount of garbage.

Speculation of the future is ungodly.

If that sends me to Hell, then I guess that's where I should go!

Personally, I'd have thought that someone like you would want to be sent to hell for something a little more substantial than that but all ways down the broad path appear good to some.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Re: Religion and Science....uh oh!

Not so much "the same" as they are two pieces to the same puzzle, two sides of the same coin.

No, one is the truth the other is a lie. How can they be on the same coin like you say. Now, Brother Bathfire brought it up earlier and you've failed to answer it: How can you reconcile Darwinist evolution with a literal Genesis creation?

Now, don't say, "Maybe God influenced evolution, and the Genesis account was a metaphor...". No. Because that's not reconciling the two, that's actually destroying both viewpoints! In Darwinian evolution, there is no room for God. Species change by natural selection, not by intelligent design!

So how can Darwinist evolution and a literal Genesis creation both be right without changing anything on either side?

[Zeldafan]

Re: Religion and Science....uh oh!

I'm not sure what magic was around 1,000 years ago - give me a clue? Do you mean something like demon possession? I don't see much progress in that area from science.

If you put "maybe" in a sentence, you can write any amount of garbage.

Speculation of the future is ungodly.Personally, I'd have thought that someone like you would want to be sent to hell for something a little more substantial than that but all ways down the broad path appear good to some.

"Magic" 1,000 years ago was definitely not possessions or any BS like that man, lol. I mean things that we can explain today...like fire, weather, bodily functions, anatomy. Those things and how they worked were commonly explained through "magic".

[Zeldafan]

Re: Religion and Science....uh oh!

No, one is the truth the other is a lie. How can they be on the same coin like you say. Now, Brother Bathfire brought it up earlier and you've failed to answer it: How can you reconcile Darwinist evolution with a literal Genesis creation?

Now, don't say, "Maybe God influenced evolution, and the Genesis account was a metaphor...". No. Because that's not reconciling the two, that's actually destroying both viewpoints! In Darwinian evolution, there is no room for God. Species change by natural selection, not by intelligent design!

So how can Darwinist evolution and a literal Genesis creation both be right without changing anything on either side?

If I knew the answer to that I would probably be a billionaire lol. No one does.

Oh, they ARE two sides of the same coin whether you like it or not. We are ALL part of this world and everything in it, you are just as much part of science as I am, same goes for religion. We are all one and the same...know what I mean?

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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...Who is who? Lol, "dude"?

I'm referring to the poster I was responding to.

We do not suffer fools gladly here, son. Keep a respectful tongue in your mouth when adressing your betters.

I have no clue.

That is the most accurate statement you've made thus far.

Are you even a Christian? Please make a thread of your own in the "Introductions" section of the forum, so that we can properly greet you. Tell us about yourself, your church, and how you came to find Jesus.

This is a Christian forum, not a high school science debate.

[Zeldafan]

Re: Religion and Science....uh oh!

We do not suffer fools gladly here, son. Keep a respectful tongue in your mouth when adressing your betters.




That is the most accurate statement you've made thus far.

Are you even a Christian? Please make a thread of your own in the "Introductions" section of the forum, so that we can properly greet you. Tell us about yourself, your church, and how you came to find Jesus.

This is a Christian forum, not a high school science debate.

Sorry, didn't mean to offend anyone. Oh you're not better than me by the way.

Please be respectable to me though and don't mock my answers, Jesus never mocked me!

I'm sorry, I completely forgot to introduce myself I don't have a very good attention span lol I'll do that now friend

[Woman in the well]

Re: Religion and Science....uh oh!

Ah but Zeldafan, perhaps you should always be prepared to give an explanation for the hope that you have!

[Levi Jones]

Re: Religion and Science....uh oh!

Ah but Zeldafan, perhaps you should always be prepared to give an explanation for the hope that you have!

You should head to the introduction forum, friend. Tell us about yourself, so we can properly greet you.

[Woman in the well]

Re: Religion and Science....uh oh!

I just noticed the lovely designation you bestow upon newbies on this forum. I am guessing it is meant as a challange to reveal the assurance I have that such an epitaph is unture. Thankfully, my Father in heaven knows and as that is all that matters, why be so hateful to someone merely seeking fellowship? And right off the bat?

My comment on the discussion thread: Often, the more people study science, the more it brings them overwhemingly to Intelligent Design. The only possible conclusion to be reached in the quest for scientific knowledge is that the genesis of the universe consists of a Creator God with an ultimate (perfect) plan for all levels of His creation from the macro to the micro and which (praise His Name) includes a plan for the salvation of sinful mankind. I think that the post at the beginning shows true insight into the nature of the reconcilliation between science and religion: the two are really two approaches to the same questions, namely where did we come from and why are we here???? Christians know the answers by faith and scientists search for them by empirisim (the antithesis to faith.) However, not all who study science are secular humanists; some of us don't need to experience our creator with our limited five senses to know that He is very real and at the center of all creation.

[Woman in the well]

Re: Religion and Science....uh oh!

Mr. Jones:
My post should reveal at least something about me. If I am remiss, then please allow me to introduce myself: I am the Woman at the Well. Christian. Over 21. American (by birth and by my Father's grace.) Seeking a fellowship of believers. Bible Student. Biologist. And you are?

[Levi Jones]

Re: Religion and Science....uh oh!

I just noticed the lovely designation you bestow upon newbies on this forum. I am guessing it is meant as a challange to reveal the assurance I have that such an epitaph is unture.

This is exactly the case, friend. I started off labeled as unsaved trash a mere 3 months ago.

I exhort you to make an introduction.

I look forward to fellowship with you. You will find that we are extremely reasonable and friendly to a fellow seeker who follows the proper protocol.

I can't wait to meet you, is it sister or brother? I would kindly ask you to tell us about what Church you attend, your favorite Bible Verses and etc.

[Levi Jones]

Re: Religion and Science....uh oh!

Mr. Jones:
My post should reveal at least something about me. If I am remiss, then please allow me to introduce myself: I am the Woman at the Well. Christian. Over 21. American (by birth and by my Father's grace.) Seeking a fellowship of believers. Bible Student. Biologist. And you are?

Sister please, follow this link and start a new thread.

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/forumdisplay.php?f=16

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: Religion and Science....uh oh!

There's other routes it could go though, maybe science and religion are BOTH right, I guess is what I'm trying to get at

Insofar as science and religion agree with the King James Bible, they are both right. Insofar as they disagree with that source, they are both wrong. Yes, it is that simple.