[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Questions that evolutionist can’t answer

Ok. Ever coming on this forum was clearly a mistake because the bullshit you guys make up and claim that a book as beautifully written as the Qu'ran or Bible says just shocks me. The reason we continue to debate, and will never be able to stop debating is because there is no clear answer. The bible isn't written in a clear language with step by step directions on how to live and what the correct thing to believe in is. Some things we know are certain. It says believe in God, believe in Jesus and follow secular law. So far we have all agreed on those things.

However, your website and forum do not support even these three basic beliefs. Reverend Rodimer. Or shall I call you Reverend Motherpiffleer, since you continue to call me Miss Cunny?

Please explain how you explain this as not having slaves and abiding secular law:



That is a screen cap of the first post of a thread asking about having a slave, following that post is advice about buying, selling, and trafficking human beings, and advice about how to take care of or not take care of slaves. THAT IS NOT FOLLOWING SECULAR LAW AND IS A CLEAR VIOLATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS.

Please do not try to justify this. Do not even try. Your website and your group of so called christians sickens me. Makes me physically ill. I am an "immoral heathen atheist" but I would never enslave another human being. I would never even lay a hand on my dog.

Didymus, I know you are trying really hard to prove me wrong, but please don't be so quick to hyperlink me stuff and then you even forget to think about historical timeline or even freaking use google!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman-Persian_Wars

Now look here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad

If you would like to actually learn something read the whole thing, if you would like to just get your head out of your ass, look under the Aftermath section.

Before posting next time, actually do a little bit of research. k?

Catherine, I did pick a position and stick to it. Muslims are peaceful people. I am sticking to that. I said the WORLD was in a time of conflict. Both Christianity and Islam were founded in a time of Empiric Ruling. It is much more violent than life is today. The Q'uran was written in a time of conflict. I never changed my point.

Which hyperlink did you want me to read? The only one I saw was the one to "the people on this forum are perfect" one, and we both know that is not true. I looked at the page, but no matter how much scripture you have you will never be able to convince me that a human on this planet is perfect. I know I'm not perfect. I bet you know you are not perfect. And I'm pretty sure they have done something in their life they have regretted too.

I have read the bible multiple times also. I am not suggesting for you to take classes because I am trying to offend you. If you don't want to take them, don't. I really enjoyed my religious classes. It helped me meet a lot of people who were very religious and had very strong opinions of the bible, it also let me meet people who were pastors and could give me advice and help when I needed it. We learned alot. We learned about who wrote what book of the bible. We learned how to read some Hebrew and Greek so we could read the original versions of the bible for ourselves. We learned about Jesus's lifetime and what it was like in Rome when he lived. It was really cool, and it opened my perspective onto the world of Christian Theology. It is just something I recommend you consider, as a friend in Jesus, not an enemy. I just think it is a broadening experience and something every Christian should do. Academics and Professors of theology actually have some pretty cool stuff to say if you will let them.

MitzaLizalor, you are doing exactly what you told me not to do, by just picking one random verse to support your theory. It says Jesus cries for the sinners and gives his life for them to go to heaven, and that he feels that suffering all throughout the new testement. That is the primary message of the whole second half of the bible. I don't understand how you could miss such a key element of the bible as one whole half of the meaning! Nothing about feeling sorrow for one's pain suggests laughing at them.

Do you believe children who were never given a chance to know Jesus will go to hell? If they die very young before they go out in the world and have the chance to make the choice to become a Christian, that they will still go to hell?

Common belief in the Rapture is that God will take all those who are saved and all CHILDREN at the second coming before the end of times. Most christians believe that children who do not have a chance to know jesus will be saved. What are your beliefs on the children and the rapture?

Also, you are twisting the Q'uran into something that it is not. Muslims call God, "Allah" but they still believe that there is one monotheistic God. And firstly before we get started, in most christian theology, Jesus is NOT God. Jesus is the SON OF God. That means he has the spirtual and supernatural ability that God does, but the human body of people. The third part of the trinity is the holy ghost, but that is something completely different for another day. In Islamic, Atheistic, Jewish, and most all other religious belief Jesus is considered a prophet. He is not considered to be holy or to be considered with supernatural power, but he is considered to have lived, been a wonderful man, who healed, taught, and did wonderful things. Islam belief recognizes Jesus as a prophet, but not as a religious founder. Mohammed to them is very holy, like Jesus to you is very holy.

None of your following information is true. Mohammed did not have an idol. He was preaching monotheism. During the time of Mohammed Isamics flew just a plain green, white or black flag for identification purposes. It wasn't until the Turks conquered Constantinople in 1453, where they adopted the city's existing flag, (the crescent moon and star) and claimed it for Islam. For hundreds of years the Ottoman Empire ruled over the Muslim world under this image because of that conquer and it still remains the symbol for Islam today.

So all you are showing me is beautiful pictures of mosques with the traditional dome on top. These mosques just happen to have the symbolic moon on top also. You are proving nothing except your idiocy.

As for the rest of your claims about how he was a psychotic warlord who heard messages from satan and all your other bullshit, all i have to say is that people like you are the reason the rest of the world hates America. You are the reason why 9/11 happened in the first place. If we could try and understand other people's feelings, religions, nationalities, beliefs, and unite to bring together a sense of peace and understanding, people wouldn't be car bombing each other in the middle east, or trying to blow up subways because they feel religiously persecuted. I think you need to take a step backwards and maybe make a couple of muslim friends, and some with different beliefs and backgrounds other than your own and broaden your horizons a little bit. The only vile animals I see, are the ones that hate other people for their differences.

I feel sick to my stomach after posting on here and seeing the different threads and responses tonight. The level of human tolerance and intelligence is so low. I feel so sorry for not only those of you who are unwilling to look at the big picture, but for those that you hate and are effected by your hatred, aka your slaves and mistreated children/family members. I am greatly saddened today, not that any of you have a heart enough to care.

tl;dr

Praise Jesus, I think I'll stick with the Holy Bible and not some secular whore shrieking about mudslimes.

[kthln_cunny]

Re: Questions that evolutionist can’t answer

Ok. Ever coming on this forum was clearly a mistake because the bullshit you guys make up and claim that a book as beautifully written as the Qu'ran or Bible says just shocks me. The reason we continue to debate, and will never be able to stop debating is because there is no clear answer. The bible isn't written in a clear language with step by step directions on how to live and what the correct thing to believe in is. Some things we know are certain. It says believe in God, believe in Jesus and follow secular law. So far we have all agreed on those things.

However, your website and forum do not support even these three basic beliefs. Reverend Rodimer. Or shall I call you Reverend Motherfucker, since you continue to call me Miss Cunny?

Please explain how you explain this as not having slaves and abiding secular law:



That is a screen cap of the first post of a thread asking about having a slave, following that post is advice about buying, selling, and trafficking human beings, and advice about how to take care of or not take care of slaves. THAT IS NOT FOLLOWING SECULAR LAW AND IS A CLEAR VIOLATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS.

Please do not try to justify this. Do not even try. Your website and your group of so called christians sickens me. Makes me physically ill. I am an "immoral heathen atheist" but I would never enslave another human being. I would never even lay a hand on my dog.

Didymus, I know you are trying really hard to prove me wrong, but please don't be so quick to hyperlink me stuff and then you even forget to think about historical timeline or even freaking use google!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman-Persian_Wars

Now look here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad

If you would like to actually learn something read the whole thing, if you would like to just get your head out of your ass, look under the Aftermath section.

Before posting next time, actually do a little bit of research. k?

Catherine, I did pick a position and stick to it. Muslims are peaceful people. I am sticking to that. I said the WORLD was in a time of conflict. Both Christianity and Islam were founded in a time of Empiric Ruling. It is much more violent than life is today. The Q'uran was written in a time of conflict. I never changed my point.

Which hyperlink did you want me to read? The only one I saw was the one to "the people on this forum are perfect" one, and we both know that is not true. I looked at the page, but no matter how much scripture you have you will never be able to convince me that a human on this planet is perfect. I know I'm not perfect. I bet you know you are not perfect. And I'm pretty sure they have done something in their life they have regretted too.

I have read the bible multiple times also. I am not suggesting for you to take classes because I am trying to offend you. If you don't want to take them, don't. I really enjoyed my religious classes. It helped me meet a lot of people who were very religious and had very strong opinions of the bible, it also let me meet people who were pastors and could give me advice and help when I needed it. We learned alot. We learned about who wrote what book of the bible. We learned how to read some Hebrew and Greek so we could read the original versions of the bible for ourselves. We learned about Jesus's lifetime and what it was like in Rome when he lived. It was really cool, and it opened my perspective onto the world of Christian Theology. It is just something I recommend you consider, as a friend in Jesus, not an enemy. I just think it is a broadening experience and something every Christian should do. Academics and Professors of theology actually have some pretty cool stuff to say if you will let them.

MitzaLizalor, you are doing exactly what you told me not to do, by just picking one random verse to support your theory. It says Jesus cries for the sinners and gives his life for them to go to heaven, and that he feels that suffering all throughout the new testement. That is the primary message of the whole second half of the bible. I don't understand how you could miss such a key element of the bible as one whole half of the meaning! Nothing about feeling sorrow for one's pain suggests laughing at them.

Do you believe children who were never given a chance to know Jesus will go to hell? If they die very young before they go out in the world and have the chance to make the choice to become a Christian, that they will still go to hell?

Common belief in the Rapture is that God will take all those who are saved and all CHILDREN at the second coming before the end of times. Most christians believe that children who do not have a chance to know jesus will be saved. What are your beliefs on the children and the rapture?

Also, you are twisting the Q'uran into something that it is not. Muslims call God, "Allah" but they still believe that there is one monotheistic God. And firstly before we get started, in most christian theology, Jesus is NOT God. Jesus is the SON OF God. That means he has the spirtual and supernatural ability that God does, but the human body of people. The third part of the trinity is the holy ghost, but that is something completely different for another day. In Islamic, Atheistic, Jewish, and most all other religious belief Jesus is considered a prophet. He is not considered to be holy or to be considered with supernatural power, but he is considered to have lived, been a wonderful man, who healed, taught, and did wonderful things. Islam belief recognizes Jesus as a prophet, but not as a religious founder. Mohammed to them is very holy, like Jesus to you is very holy.

None of your following information is true. Mohammed did not have an idol. He was preaching monotheism. During the time of Mohammed Isamics flew just a plain green, white or black flag for identification purposes. It wasn't until the Turks conquered Constantinople in 1453, where they adopted the city's existing flag, (the crescent moon and star) and claimed it for Islam. For hundreds of years the Ottoman Empire ruled over the Muslim world under this image because of that conquer and it still remains the symbol for Islam today.

So all you are showing me is beautiful pictures of mosques with the traditional dome on top. These mosques just happen to have the symbolic moon on top also. You are proving nothing except your idiocy.

As for the rest of your claims about how he was a psychotic warlord who heard messages from satan and all your other bullshit, all i have to say is that people like you are the reason the rest of the world hates America. You are the reason why 9/11 happened in the first place. If we could try and understand other people's feelings, religions, nationalities, beliefs, and unite to bring together a sense of peace and understanding, people wouldn't be car bombing each other in the middle east, or trying to blow up subways because they feel religiously persecuted. I think you need to take a step backwards and maybe make a couple of muslim friends, and some with different beliefs and backgrounds other than your own and broaden your horizons a little bit. The only vile animals I see, are the ones that hate other people for their differences.

I feel sick to my stomach after posting on here and seeing the different threads and responses tonight. The level of human tolerance and intelligence is so low. I feel so sorry for not only those of you who are unwilling to look at the big picture, but for those that you hate and are effected by your hatred, aka your slaves and mistreated children/family members. I am greatly saddened today, not that any of you have a heart enough to care.

[Adam Fag]

Re: Questions that evolutionist can’t answer

the moon idol remains current today

er, they say it's not the moon don't they?

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Questions that evolutionist can’t answer

blah blah blah

Miss Cunny, I didn't ask you to show me references to slavery in the Bible. I asked you to show me where we are COMMANDED TO OWN SLAVES in the Bible.

We aren't. That's why you couldn't find it.

Why would I think Jesus would disapprove of slavery? Jesus is God. He gave us the Old Testament commandments for HOW TO MANAGE OUR SLAVES IF WE CHOOSE TO HAVE ANY.

Yes. If a man sleeps with his wife while on her period: The scripture is Leviticus 20:18. It actually says they should both be exiled from the community in my translation.

Do you not see the difference between what you said before (killed) and what you say now that you actually look at Scripture (exiled)?

Trust me, I read the bible. Clearly more thoroughly than you do, sir. I mean, Reverend.

Apparently not, since you claim God directs us to own slaves and to kill men who lay with their wives during their unclean times, then quote Scripture providing no support whatsoever for your erroneous assertions.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Questions that evolutionist can’t answer

Jesus would never laugh at someone going to hell. He would feel sorry for them. He would give them a chance to ask for forgiveness. Only a sick person would laugh at someone screaming in agony.

Please read The Bible before making your ridiculous comments. Dreaming up a Sunday School picnic "fairy floss" vendor and selecting one or two verses out of context to support your soft focus delusion does not count as reading The Bible. God DOES laugh at sinners. We know that because He has told us so.

This passage for example deals with people whose words misrepresent the Perfect Love of God and who deal deceitfully with others:

PSALM 52
1 [To the chiefe Musician, Maschil, A Psalme of Dauid: When Doeg the Edomite came and told Saul, and said vnto him, Dauid is come to the house of Ahimelech.] Why boastest thou thy selfe in mischiefe, O mightie man? the goodnesse of God indureth continually.
2 Thy tongue deuiseth mischiefes: like a sharpe rasor, working deceitfully.
3 Thou louest euill more then good; and lying rather then to speake righteousnesse. Selah.
4 Thou louest all deuouring words, O thou deceitfull tongue.
5a God shall likewise destroy thee for euer..

We see in this lovely Psalm that God will destroy such people and are strengthened in our faith, knowing that persecution by such wretches will not endure. God is aware of our suffering and has matters well in hand. God continues with additional information, how He will smite them (they will be smitten with death) and how we will react when we see that outcome.

5b ..hee shall take thee away and plucke thee out of thy dwelling place, and roote thee out of the land of the liuing. Selah.
6 The righteous also shall see, and feare, and shall laugh at him.
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Children are not exempt from HELL. I have emphasised the word because the torments of that place will greatly exceed those which you may wish upon one and indeed will exceed any degree of suffering that we can imagine. Much, much worse than this:

If your child was run over by a car on the street, and was screaming in agony in the middle of the road. Both her legs were broken and she was unable to move, only to scream in agony..

Eventually that child would go unconscious and bleed to death. IN HELL there is no such respite. The Christian child will go to Heaven of course, but the unbelieving will certainly finish up at a very different location. That obviously includes the man of might whose tongue devised mischievous deceit at whom the righteous laugh.

In Psalm 37 God reassures us that He laughs in anticipation of come-uppance for the wicked and I will also refer you to additional scripture which explains how God laughs at the calamity itself which befalls all such evil persons, persons we as Christians are able to identify. This is what God says:

PSALM 37
12 The wicked plotteth against the iust, and gnasheth vpon him with his teeth.
13 The Lord shall laugh at him: for he seeth that his day is comming.
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Again in Proverbs, we learn that God indeed laughs at the outcome He has warned us about and He is quite detailed: yes He laughs at the calamity and at the reaction of the damned, the fear, the desolation, the destruction, the distresse and the anguish.

PROVERBS 1
23 Turne you at my reproofe: behold, I will powre out my spirit vnto you, I will make knowen my wordes vnto you.
24 Because I haue called, and yee refused, I haue stretched out my hand, and no man regarded:
25 But ye haue set at nought all my counsell, & would none of my reproofe:
26 I also will laugh at your calamitie, I wil mocke when your feare commeth.
27 When your feare commeth as desolation, and your destruction commeth as a whirlewinde; when distresse and anguish commeth vpon you:
28 Then shall they call vpon mee, but I will not answere; they shall seeke me early, but they shall not finde me:
29 For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the feare of the Lord.
©1611

When we arrive in Heaven to be with Jesus it will be wonderful to share with Him completely in the new understanding He affords.

I Corinthians 13:12

He has not told us everything about Heaven because we aren't able to understand everything. But some things He has told us and we are able to understand some of the activities He will be doing. Observing the calamity which befalls the damned is one we can appreciate and it will be so wonderful to hear His laughter echo around Heaven, with us beside Him forever and singing, singing, singing The Bible teaches:

REVELATION 14
10 The same shall drinke of the wine of the wrath of God, which is powred out without mixture into the cup of his indignation, and hee shall be tormented with fire and brimstone, in the presence of the holy Angels,

and in the presence of the Lambe:

11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth vp for euer and euer. And they haue no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoeuer receyueth the marke of his name.
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MitzaLizalor, Where did you get that information?

from the koran and from the hadith and from the sunna

Muhammad was a prophet exactly like Jesus. He believed in the same God as Jesus did and was a man of peace and meditation and believed he heard messages from God; exactly like Jesus. Also like Jesus he ended up starting his own religion.

Mohammed is in no way like Jesus.
Every Muslim knows that - go to Arabia or Afghanistan, make your announcement and see what happens.
Every Christian knows that. First of all, Jesus is God. Mohammed is not. Neither did he believe in the same God as Jesus did. There were several hundred gods at Mecca during Mohammed's life one of which was the moon god. The reason they had so many gods was because of the trade arrangements. Mecca was the central meeting place for all the tribes where they traded peacefully, by agreement, in a period of prosperity (there were plenty of things to trade and so Mecca had developed into a prosperous centre). The numerous tribes all had an idol in Mecca. Mohammed's idol was an image of the moon, the moon idol remains current today and that abomination is perched atop mosques throughout the world wherever the disgusting creed of mohammedanism infests. Everyone can see this I don't know why you can't so here is a photo to remind you:

OK you got 2 photo's. Open your eyes and look up. You'll see plenty more. Here's a reminder of what God commanded:

Deuteronomy 5:8a Thou shalt not make thee any grauen image, or any likenesse of any thing that is in heauen aboue..
©1611

And from what you've posted I can see that yes, it is necessary to spell it out: NO-ONE who worships the same God as Jesus would EVER do so in a manner that DIRECTLY OPPOSES what God Himself has commanded. By making statues of the moon and by bowing down to those statues (specifically the ones at Mecca) the foul mohammedan demonstrates servitude to satan, as if their obsessive murder cult were insufficient to verify the fact especially in their warped compulsion to exterminate Christians and their eagerness to put the depravity that is the koran into bloody practice at every opportunity.

Muhammad..was a man of peace and meditation

Mohammed was no such thing, he was a psychotic maniac who demanded submission and whose insane religion is named for submission Dar al-Islam with the ONLY alternative being WAR Dar al-harb

Muhammad..believed he heard messages from God;

No he didn't. He thought he was hearing the voice of satan, or of a jinn, and had no wish to publicise his hallucinations. It was his wife who recognised the true nature of his affliction (delusional psychosis and temporal lobe epilepsy) who comforted him and who persuaded him to accommodate his lunacy in the form of a false religious belief system the consequences of which blight the world today with horror wherever this repugnant creed gains a foothold.

Muhammad was a man of peace and forgiveness like Jesus not a power hungry warlord.

Do try reading the koran sometime. Its genocide ogre leaves little to the imagination and your own status as an unbeliever is made quite plain. I don't know what you do believe, if anything, but it is not what the koran teaches and it is not what The Bible teaches either.

KORAN 8 AL-ANFAL (SPOILS OF WAR, BOOTY)
55. Surely the vilest of animals in Allah's sight are those who disbelieve, then they would not believe.
SHAKIR [courtesy Lisa H]

For your information, Christians are unbelievers (if we were "believers" we would be mohammedans, they say). If we "followed the same God" we would not be called the vilest of animals would we.

CONTEXT: Deuteronomy 5 . Psalm 37 . Psalm 52 . Proverbs 1 . I Corinthians 13 . Revelation 14

[Catherine Moore]

Re: Questions that evolutionist can’t answer

Catherine, like most holy books, the Qu'ran was written in an ancient time of war and famine. In the bible it encourages war on non-believers as well. What about Jericho? Today that text is often looked at as encouraging Muslims to convert others to their religion. Just like verses encouraging war on non-believers of Christianity is viewed as encouraging others to convert. It is thought to be an inward war.

You believe that any one is perfect? That there is such a person that has lived a life without a single sin? The bible tells us that even Jesus sinned. Even Jesus sinned and asked for forgiveness in the Garden the night before his crucifixion. So you believe that the people on this forum are better than Jesus? That seems a little bit out of reach to me. The bible says that if you believe in Creationism, nothing has ever been perfect since Eve bit into the forbidden fruit. So that means there is no possible way that the owners and moderators of this website are perfect. NOT POSSIBLE. So I am sorry that they have sucked you in to believing this. I think it would benefit you, to register to take a college class in Religion and maybe brush up on what the Bible ACTUALLY SAYS instead of what the people of this forum are poisoning you with because they are false prophets.

You've changed your position. You said the Koran didn't tell people to kill unbelievers, I said it did, now you say "well, it was written at a time of conflict." This would be easier if you picked a position and stuck to it.

Did you actually read the thread I linked to? I get terribly confused with these hypoidlinks on the internet and it took me a long time to link to it. Jesus forgive me, but I was quite proud of myself. I'd be annoyed if that had gone to waste.

I read the Bible daily. I usually try for a book a day, sometimes secular concerns get in the way though. I've read it several times and today will be reading Ruth again. Tell me, why do I need classes?

Is the Bible such a confusing document that it can't be understood without specialists and academics? Is God's plan for us to create a special caste of Biblical interpreters? Or is the Bible written in plain and unambiguous language laying out clearly what God wants from us? What could a class say other than "read the Bible, do what it says". I actually don't think its being unreasonable not to want to pay for it.

Even our Pastors here are in the same position as me. Pastor Ezekiel, say, doesn't have access to a special Bible with extra holy "not for trash" chapters.

Seriously, Kathleen. What could a class possibly say?

[Didymus Much]

Re: Questions that evolutionist can’t answer

...Muhammad was a prophet exactly like Jesus. He believed in the same God as Jesus did and was a man of peace and meditation...It is true that Mohammed fought with Meccan tribes for eight years to bring his religion to all of Eastern Arabia...

Exactly how I'd expect a "man of peace" to behave , but then again I'm a lunatic (according to the people here).

...The area was devastated because of the Roman-Persian Wars, which was a series of wars between the Parthian Empire and the Roman Republic...

Roman Republic 509 BC - 27 BC http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Republic

Parthian Empire 247 BC – 224 AD http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parthian_Empire

Muslim Conquests started 622 AD http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquests

Uh, wut?

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Questions that evolutionist can’t answer

Are you actually expecting us to deny scripture, ktthln? God is who He is. Please stop quoting a sanitised soft Bible, though.

[kthln_cunny]

Re: Questions that evolutionist can’t answer

Pastor Ezekial, I do not think it sick to be a religious person, or believe in something. But it is disgusting to wish ill on other people and something the bible and Jesus preach against. Jesus would never laugh at someone going to hell. He would feel sorry for them. He would give them a chance to ask for forgiveness. Only a sick person would laugh at someone screaming in agony.

If your child was run over by a car on the street, and was screaming in agony in the middle of the road. Both her legs were broken and she was unable to move, only to scream in agony and for help. Passing cars rolled down their windows and laughed at her, what type of people would you think they were? Would you think them to be good Christian people or people who worship Satan or "someone who was going to burn in hell" perhaps? By laughing at people you condemn, and those you believe to be in agony you are proving to your God and to the world that you are equal to those you are condemning if not worse. Do not shout glory at others failures.

Reverend Rodimer, Kthulhuan Cunny.....? Um....Kthln_Cny is my name without any vowels. Kathleen. Cny is my last name without vowels also. I do not intend to be vulgar. It is honestly just my name.

Slaves in the bible:

Regular foreign slaves:

"However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way." (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

Hebrew Slaves:
"If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever." (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)

How to have sex with your slaves:
"When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment." (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

How hard you are supposed to beat your slaves:
"When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property." (Exodus 21:20-21 NA

You would think Jesus and the New Testement would not approve slavery, but you are mistaken.

"Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them." (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)

Yes. If a man sleeps with his wife while on her period: The scripture is Leviticus 20:18. It actually says they should both be exiled from the community in my translation.

Trust me, I read the bible. Clearly more thoroughly than you do, sir. I mean, Reverend.

I never said there were no consequences to internet hacking. Internet hackers are some of the most feared criminals on the FBIs most wanted list, because of the type of information they could retrieve. Just because you are incredibly good at something, doesn't make it ok or not a criminal activity. Chances are if you break into a house in the rural area, that house is armed. Because if there is not a strong police force in an area, people usually take law enforcement into their own hands, and purchase firearms to at least protect their own homes. So if you break into a house in a rural area, there is a high probability that you will get shot at. There are not guns on the internet. You cannot get stabbed or shot for hacking into a website. Cyber crimes are handled differently than breaking and entering cases. You can compare the two, but it isn't really valid.

Ok, I don't think you understand. You can't have it both ways. You can't believe in law and deny the law at the same time. This is what I believe to be your argument:
Your argument is that in Levitcus 20:13 ("If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.") the bible condemns homosexuality; however in the same chapter the bible makes a bunch of other ridiculous rules encouraging slavery, cruelty to women, killing children, burning people to death at the stake for adultry.... and none of those seem to matter. You don't approve of abortion. But there is an abortion in the bible. A VooDoo like abortion under strange circumstances. Hosea Chapter 9. And then, the bible gives instructions for abortion:

Number 5:11-31 says that if a woman cheats on her husband, he is to take her to the priest and he will give her "bitter water". If the woman didn't cheat on her husband her pregnancy will continue as it should. But if she did cheat on him, then her belly will swell, her thigh will rot, and she will be a curse among her people.

So, I guess if you elect officials to change the laws, you would be changing them to go against what the bible says, right?

Your not trying to change my bible, because you can't. The bible is over 2000 years old, and you can translate it all you want, but in original Hebrew and Greek text it still says what it says. You are trying to change the laws in the country that I live in. But I don't think you are changing them to go with the bible as I have pointed out.

Jesus Sinning: One occasion I know of, is that Jesus was scared and asked God to reconsider crucifying him in Garden of Gethsemane. He asked three times and each time God said no. Jesus then asked for forgiveness because he was weak and scared to die... because he was human.


As I've said, obviously I've read the bible more than you have sir. I actually have scripture to back up my arguments. Clearly I am not ignoring the words of the bible since I seem to know more of them than you do.

MitzaLizalor, Where did you get that information? Muhammad was a prophet exactly like Jesus. He believed in the same God as Jesus did and was a man of peace and meditation and believed he heard messages from God; exactly like Jesus. Also like Jesus he ended up starting his own religion. Like Christianity, it caused wars and turbulence in the area. It is true that Mohammed fought with Meccan tribes for eight years to bring his religion to all of Eastern Arabia. The area was devastated because of the Roman-Persian Wars, which was a series of wars between the Parthian Empire and the Roman Republic. The world at this time was owned by large empires that often fought very long bloody battles for property and expansion rights. Rome being one of the largest, cruelest, and most devastating. Overall, Muhammad was a man of peace and forgiveness like Jesus not a power hungry warlord.

[MitzaLizalor]

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the Qu'ran was written in an ancient time of war and famine.

No it wasn't. There was relative peace and prosperity on the Arabian sub-continent until one bunch of demoniacs decided that their genocide ogre (the Moon) was the only thing to be worshipped. War came about because Mohammed decided to kill everyone who disagreed with him or even just helped him and the result was famine, poverty and mayhem. Mohammed and his odious gibberish caused the wars - not the other way around!

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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Secondly, You "follow the word of God TO THE LETTER"......actually, you don't.

Do you own slaves? Do you eat pork? Have you ever worn clothes made of cloth by more than one fabric? Do you cut your hair, or shave? Do you stone people to death in your congregation when they sleep with their wives and they are on their periods?

Because if you do any of those things, I could technically say you are a sinner and YOU are going to HELL just as easily as you condemn me! Because you follow EVERY WORD in the Bible, right?

Hi, Miss . . . er, "Kthulhuan Cunny".

That's very vulgar. Do you know what that means?

Getting back to your idiocy above: Could you point out where the Bible directs us to own or not to own slaves?

Can you point out where the Bible directs us to stone men to death who have sex with their wives during their unclean time?

Yes or no?

How about you read the Bible before you tell us what it says, OK dear?

Wide-Open, On the Internet: Technically you could follow that logic. However, how do you protect your house? You can call the police when someone breaks in. You are allowed in many states to use deadly force with a firearm or other weapon if someone is on your property with the intent to cause harm to you or your loved ones. You can't really do those things on the internet. There are no "internet police".

So I suppose if you find a house in a rural area where there are no police, it's OK for you to break in and steal whatever you like. Right?

So you believe in secular law?

No. We are commanded to follow it by God.

Well homosexualitysodomy, an abomination before God, is legal. Gay marriage "Sodomarriage" is legal in several states already. Abortion Infanticide is legal. Freedom of religion Open hatred of God is legal.

So? That doesn't mean we can't work to elect representatives who will fix these problems.

If you are not going to follow your own rules in your own bible, why are you trying to change mine?

Change your Bible?

If it says that homosexuality is not ok in Leviticus, but it also says in the same book that you should not wear clothes with two different types of fabric, what makes one law valid and not the other?

Who here said that one isn't valid?

You believe that any one is perfect? That there is such a person that has lived a life without a single sin? The bible tells us that even Jesus sinned. Even Jesus sinned and asked for forgiveness in the Garden the night before his crucifixion.

Really? What was His sin? Exactly where did He ask for forgiveness?

I think it would benefit you, to register to take a college class in Religion and maybe brush up on what the Bible ACTUALLY SAYS instead of what the people of this forum are poisoning you with because they are false prophets.

I think it would benefit you to READ the Bible instead of making things up that suit your existing beliefs and pretending they are in it.

Redeemed Papist, I enjoyed your analogy. However it is flawed. The bible is not clear like a bright yellow sign, and most atheists are not retarded children.

If most atheists are like you, they are very like retarded children. And our warnings are clear like a bright yellow sign. You just choose to ignore them, and the words of the Bible.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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You seem to enjoy the fact that I might go to hell and you can point and laugh. Doesn't that make you the sicko?

How is it "sicko" to rejoice in God's Divine Plan?

I know that Jesus and I can't wait to watch you burn in hell for all eternity. Oh, how we'll laugh at you as you scream in agony! Shout Glory!!

YIC,

--Pastor Ezekiel

[kthln_cunny]

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Wide-Open, On the Internet: Technically you could follow that logic. However, how do you protect your house? You can call the police when someone breaks in. You are allowed in many states to use deadly force with a firearm or other weapon if someone is on your property with the intent to cause harm to you or your loved ones. You can't really do those things on the internet. There are no "internet police". There are cops and law enforcement that specialize in cyber crimes, but you must realize that for every good hacker there is an equally skilled bad hacker. The technology out there is available for everyone. It is true that the government has some programs up its sleeve that civilians have not been introduced to yet. The general rule is that civilians are about 5 years behind technology of the government. However there are hackers good enough that they do not need special technology. Recently Sony's Playstation Network was hacked. The whole system went down for almost 3 months. Then it went back up for a week, and it was swiftly hacked again. Nothing on the internet or public servers is sacred to the right person, with the right set of skills and technology.

So you believe in secular law? Well homosexuality is legal. Gay marriage is legal in several states already. Abortion is legal. Freedom of religion is legal. If you are not going to follow your own rules in your own bible, why are you trying to change mine? If it says that homosexuality is not ok in Leviticus, but it also says in the same book that you should not wear clothes with two different types of fabric, what makes one law valid and not the other? Can you just pick and choose what you want to listen to? Do you just listen to God when you feel like it? If God said you needed to do something life altering, but it was uncomfortable would that mean you didn't have to do it? Because only the laws you like apply, right?

Catherine, like most holy books, the Qu'ran was written in an ancient time of war and famine. In the bible it encourages war on non-believers as well. What about Jericho? Today that text is often looked at as encouraging Muslims to convert others to their religion. Just like verses encouraging war on non-believers of Christianity is viewed as encouraging others to convert. It is thought to be an inward war.

You believe that any one is perfect? That there is such a person that has lived a life without a single sin? The bible tells us that even Jesus sinned. Even Jesus sinned and asked for forgiveness in the Garden the night before his crucifixion. So you believe that the people on this forum are better than Jesus? That seems a little bit out of reach to me. The bible says that if you believe in Creationism, nothing has ever been perfect since Eve bit into the forbidden fruit. So that means there is no possible way that the owners and moderators of this website are perfect. NOT POSSIBLE. So I am sorry that they have sucked you in to believing this. I think it would benefit you, to register to take a college class in Religion and maybe brush up on what the Bible ACTUALLY SAYS instead of what the people of this forum are poisoning you with because they are false prophets.



Redeemed Papist, I enjoyed your analogy. However it is flawed. The bible is not clear like a bright yellow sign, and most atheists are not retarded children. I was raised going to church. Most atheists I know were. I know great in depth knowledge about the bible and other world religions. The thing is, the bible is not just a step by step guide to get into Heaven. However, I can not tell if you are comparing me to a retarded child or calling me a sicko at the end of your little rant. It sounds more like you are calling yourself a sicko, for not trying to save me, the retarded child. But your website preaches against trying to save retarded children (atheists and non-believers). You seem to enjoy the fact that I might go to hell and you can point and laugh. Doesn't that make you the sicko? If I was in your position, I would pick the child up on my shoulders and carry her to safety.

[John Scopes]

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This sums up reality rather nicely I think...

[Redeemed Papist]

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... much like how the bible says that only God can say who is going to be damned and all of those that ask for forgiveness will be saved, but all over this website you guys claim to be able to damn people and tell who is "unsaved trash". IS THIS WEBSITE GOD? Then the person and moderators running this website can not declare me as unsaved trash and tell me that I am going to hell, because that is something that only God knows..

OK - let's just for a moment imagine there's this sign.



And standing right next to this sign is an illiterate child who is too retarded to even get the really clear picture message. No matter how much you point at the sign and tell her to get away from there she just plays and plays right next to the high voltage line she doesn't understand because she plain wasn't brought up right.

Matthew 7:13-14
13Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Do you explain the sign to her and point out the danger? Do you not point out the hitherto not obvious-to-the-child path to safety?

Just in case this parable is too deep for you: the sign is like the Bible - a clear and concise description of the danger you are in. The killer power rail is the world full of iniquity that is a tempting place to play but will damn the ignorant to Hell. The path to safety is Salvation®.

If you truly believe in God how can you do otherwise? How can you walk on by and see the child burn? Are you some kind of sicko?