[Redeemed Papist]

Re: A guide to the evolutionist conspiracy

The evolution process is now a proven theory and has become fact. Any one who denies evolution is an ignorant fool.

And now the insults start. It's like these people think they can call us a few names and we'll suddenly grovel and ask them for forgiveness. Just reading something in a book then stridently insisting it is true in the face of all other competing wisdom and evidence does not make you wise, you know.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: A guide to the evolutionist conspiracy

dinosaurs and other humanoid speicies? Lucy?

I've heard of "Lucy" she is definitely not a dinosaur (according to the skeleton presented as evidence). I haven't actually seen the skeleton, it may or not be a real skeleton.

More generally, when we make a claim we do not say " [some tosh ] ..the evidence is there if you go and look for it." We present the actual evidence.

You have made a number of unusual claims. Why should we go and look for the evidence? What you are posting contradicts God - who after all made the world and Heaven and everything therein - so the onus is on you to back up your latest (and all previous) idiocy. You have not done so.

Obviously God knows everything about what He has made (because otherwise He couldn't make it (as I apparently need to point out)) and therefore there can be no evidence for your position.

Which is corroborated by your having produced none.

[John the Monkey Worshiper]

Re: A guide to the evolutionist conspiracy

What you are posting contradicts God - who after all made the world and Heaven and everything

Other than the bible, any evidence of him creating heaven and everything?

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: A guide to the evolutionist conspiracy

Other than the bible, any evidence of him creating heaven and everything?

Other than science books written by lying scientists with a Darwinist agenda, any evidence of physics? Evilution?


I thought not....

[John the Monkey Worshiper]

Re: A guide to the evolutionist conspiracy

Other than science books written by lying scientists with a Darwinist agenda, any evidence of physics? Evilution?


I thought not....

Yes. Real world experiments.

[BelieverInGod]

Re: A guide to the evolutionist conspiracy

You have first hand information... Yes from a book. You don't actually have the evidence to support his existence. As i live a life of science, I have experienced fossils, DNA comparisons. All the evidence is there if you look, other than just reading a book, which anyone could of wrote.

You have first hand information from a book?

You have "experienced" fossils? I thought your PhD was in physics, what does that have to do with fossils and DNA comparisons?

I have not seen this evidence that you speak of. The more science I studied, the more I realized that everyone was just guessing and that nobody really knew for sure anything that they were talking about. Meanwhile I look around at this world and see a wonderfully working mechanism that obviously had to have been created to work together so well.

And you're right, anyone can write a book. But if you're referring to the Bible, you'd think that someone would have been able to debunk it in the last 400 years. Yet only since the 60's (what I believe was the start of the end) have people been openly claiming the Bible is wrong.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: A guide to the evolutionist conspiracy

You have first hand information from a book?

You have "experienced" fossils? I thought your PhD was in physics, what does that have to do with fossils and DNA comparisons?

I have not seen this evidence that you speak of. The more science I studied, the more I realized that everyone was just guessing and that nobody really knew for sure anything that they were talking about. Meanwhile I look around at this world and see a wonderfully working mechanism that obviously had to have been created to work together so well.

And you're right, anyone can write a book. But if you're referring to the Bible, you'd think that someone would have been able to debunk it in the last 400 years. Yet only since the 60's (what I believe was the start of the end) have people been openly claiming the Bible is wrong.

PhDPhysicss doesn't have any information and doesn't know that saying "I've read something in a book" is not information. Perhaps if a passage were quoted, that might be information; Einstein's paper or something from The Communist Manifesto could be verified for example to see whether it was an accurate quote (even if the material itself was absolute mumbojumbo as in those two cases it would be).

I'll just post one additional example:

EYE WITNESS ACCOUNT

I JOHN 1:1-3
1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)
3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

I JOHN 4:14-17
14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.
15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
15 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
15 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.
SOURCE

Is that what the King James Bible really says? Let's have a look and see. Here we have a link to the official KJV website: read it if you're uncertain.

The Official KING JAMES BIBLE online

Is that site genuine? Yes, it's good to make sure and so you could pop along to your local library and request a copy. If you were really fussy you could travel to England and visit the printer. But the bottom line is YES, you could verify my quote.

People have questioned the veracity of God's Inerrant Word throughout the centuries of course, we know that. And the more scrutiny, the clearer it becomes. Here are some replies to such criticism. It is cross referenced throughout and you can follow up the links just as I've explained above.

http://www.tektonics.org/guest/truthfulness.htm

I hope that is helpful.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: A guide to the evolutionist conspiracy

Yes. Real world experiments.

Okay, so what's the "real world experiments" that proves your grandfather was a monkey?

[schsuter]

Re: A guide to the evolutionist conspiracy

Regardless of the species, defineing attributes of father and a mother are passed on to their offspring.

Selectively breeding animals to affirm that their offspring has the desired feaures is a common practice.

In the wild, the animal whose personal features are best suited for its environment has the best chances of producing offspring.

The attributes that suit the habitat are bound to grow more and more defining while unfit features will become less and less noticeable.

Gradual change of behavior and appearance is the logical conclusion.
God's work perfections itself.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: A guide to the evolutionist conspiracy

Regardless of the species, defineing attributes of father and a mother are passed on to their offspring.

Selectively breeding animals to affirm that their offspring has the desired feaures is a common practice.

In the wild, the animal whose personal features are best suited for its environment has the best chances of producing offspring.

The attributes that suit the habitat are bound to grow more and more defining while unfit features will become less and less noticeable.

Gradual change of behavior and appearance is the logical conclusion.
God's work perfections itself.

What's that got to do with how great Jesus is and how special God is for creating this fine tuned world for us to live in?

[Jack O'fagan]

Re: A guide to the evolutionist conspiracy

Regardless of the species, defineing attributes of father and a mother are passed on to their offspring.

Selectively breeding animals to affirm that their offspring has the desired feaures is a common practice.

In the wild, the animal whose personal features are best suited for its environment has the best chances of producing offspring.

The attributes that suit the habitat are bound to grow more and more defining while unfit features will become less and less noticeable.

Gradual change of behavior and appearance is the logical conclusion.
God's work perfections itself.

I don't know which false God you believe in but we believe in the one true God who created animals perfectly formed on the sixth day.

Genesis 24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.



God's work perfection itself.

YIC

Jack

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: A guide to the evolutionist conspiracy

Selectively breeding animals to affirm that their offspring has the desired feaures is a common practice.

so if I desired the "wings" feature in future generations of horses how is that achieved by selectively breeding, again? Perhaps I haven't understood what you posted.

[schsuter]

Re: A guide to the evolutionist conspiracy

What's that got to do with how great Jesus is and how special God is for creating this fine tuned world for us to live in?

Counter question: How does it in any way deny or belittle God's work?
How does it not support the perfection of God's work?

I don't know which false God you believe in but we believe in the one true God who created animals perfectly formed on the sixth day.

Genesis 24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.



God's work perfection itself.

YIC

Jack

Again, the above statements are not denying but supporting the perfection of the Lord's creation.

The wold was perfect upon Creation but by the actions of Men and God himself it is in state of constant change since.
And so is life in order to adapt, in order to remain perfect.

so if I desired the "wings" feature in future generations of horses how is that achieved by selectively breeding, again? Perhaps I haven't understood what you posted.

You see, this change is a gradual little-by-lttle process.
Giving a horse wings is a drastical change to say the least and as such would, figuratively spoken, take an eternity to come about, hence is neither really observable nor practicable.

Sticking to the example of horses, what can be influenced by selectively breeding in a more deliberate way are attributes and features like the color, pattern and consistance of a its fur as well certain aspects of its behavior for example.

A more drastic example are domestic pigs where there are breeds which were selectively bred to have two additional pairs of ribs.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: A guide to the evolutionist conspiracy

wings is a drastical change
take an eternity to come about

I see .. So that explains why there's no birds.

From this to this in 6,000 years or (even 6,000,000,000) would be impossible.

According to you.

Who has never made a bird.

God on the other hand explains exactly how long it takes to make birds. Here:

GENESIS 1
16-19 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. And the evening and the morning were the fourth day. NO BIRDS
20-23 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. And the evening and the morning were the fifth day. BIRDS

5 – 4 = 1
It takes 1 day to make birds.
Facts. Can't beat ’em.
Facts. What the evolutionist doesn't have.

[schsuter]

Re: A guide to the evolutionist conspiracy

I see .. So that explains why there's no birds.

From this to this in 6,000 years or (even 6,000,000,000) would be impossible.

According to you.

Who has never made a bird.

God on the other hand explains exactly how long it takes to make birds. Here:

GENESIS 1
16-19 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. And the evening and the morning were the fourth day. NO BIRDS
20-23 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. And the evening and the morning were the fifth day. BIRDS

5 – 4 = 1
It takes 1 day to make birds.
Facts. Can't beat ’em.
Facts. What the evolutionist doesn't have.

Introducing functional wings to the current shape of a horse is a bit of a drastic change compared to a change in the fur's pattern, don't you think?

Also, are you implying that the Lord is incapable of doing what from a human perspectve is a "drastic" change to say the least in 1 day?