[clownbaby]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

You can lead a Bendover baptist to evidence but you cannot make them open their eyes

So much win!

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

No theory is simply accepted as 'valid'.

Of course not, that is why we call them a theory. And why waste any time on those when all the facts are in the Holy Bible!

[nerdsforhire]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

Look at a coin


Hook, line, sinker, defeated.

Also, A coin is a three dimensional object, so it's not a circle. Strictly speaking, it's more like a cylinder. If you'd like a basic understanding of Geometry, I suggest you take a class, or ask your local eighth grader.

[nerdsforhire]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

Of course not, that is why we call them a theory. And why waste any time on those when all the facts are in the Holy Bible!

Because then I'd be ignorant and misinformed.

[clownbaby]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

Your Christian perspectives are woefully inaccurate and outdated. There are countless classical experiments that can be performed to support any argument provided by your opposition.

Science is a peer reviewed practice. No theory is simply accepted as 'valid'. Rather, ideas are proposed, developed into experiments, conducted, discussed, repeated multiple times by numerous individuals, and finally published. Christian Science doesn't seem to follow this structure in a logical manner. It seems like most of your ideas are proposed, fact checked using an outdated storybook that has been written, edited, and rewritten by humans who had limited knowledge of the physical world at the time, and then published. There is no real experiment.

I came into the thread at page 1, saw the experiments the religious man put up, and picked up my physics book.

As I expected, hundreds of years of knowledge told me he wasn't correct. But hey, I try not to be ignorant of the opposing side's arguments, however ignorant their arguments may be. In any case, it was safe for me to conclude that the experiment left out some basic principles.

Well, here's something you can do if you have the time, go into the bed of your truck and take a tennis ball with you. With someone else driving, as you pick up speed and reach a constant velocity, toss the ball in the air. What happened? Did you lose the ball? Well, if you did, you either threw the ball too high so it was picked up by the air as it rushes by your truck, or you didn't throw the ball straight up. If you did the experiment correctly, and didn't allow wind speed and angle to be variables, the ball should have returned right back into your hand. Did it? I'll tell you why.

It's this thing called 'momentum' and it's what kept the ball moving at the same speed as you were. "But wait, I was sitting still in the bed of my truck, I wasn't moving at all! The bible is true and you are wrong, teehee". Yeah, I guess you would be right, if you were ignorant and had no basic roots in fundamental kinetic motion. See, you may have been sitting still in your truck, but the truck itself is moving. Friction between you and the truck bed keeps your body still. So while your velocity may be zero whilst on the truck, your relative velocity is equaled to the vehicle's.

This basic principle and classical experiment (with 3 years of Physics education under my belt) explains why you won't lose the Earth when you jump. I could easily provide experiments, ones that have not been proposed by 'false scientists', that help prove basic fundamentals.

Save your breath dude, these people are just gonna refuse anything and everything you even though what you have said is 100% accurate. You should only use this site for laughing at the ignorance of these people, not discussing things.

[Phebe Carlyle]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

Because then I'd be ignorant and misinformed.

Mr Nerd for Sure,

Have you actually read the Word of God; being the KJV1611 in its entirety?

YIC

Phebe Carlyle

[nerdsforhire]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

I wouldn't say I've read the word of God, only the word of Man.

[Phebe Carlyle]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

I wouldn't say I've read the word of God, only the word of Man.

Nice sidestepping. Have you read the KJV1611 in its entirety?

YIC

Phebe Carlyle.

[nerdsforhire]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

Nope, have you read Physics: Principles with Applications?

[Phebe Carlyle]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

Nope, have you read Physics: Principles with Applications?

Then by your own gauging, wouldn't YOU be entering into this forum, being ignorant and COMPLETELY UNINFORMED of issues you are challenging?

There is a certain hypocrisy in your methods.

As for your little sciency book. Yes I have. It's theories of physics and putting them into practice basically. You see, despite what you may want to believe, many of we True Christians have done our time believing the secular hogwash force fed down our throats by state schooling institutions. I am one of the poor souls who were not fortunate enough to be home-schooled and taught the Truth of The Lord from birth and as such, I had a lot of catching up to do in that regard.

YIC

Phebe Carlyle.

[Acey Decey]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

Your Christian perspectives are woefully inaccurate and outdated. There are countless classical experiments that can be performed to support any argument provided by your opposition.

Science is a peer reviewed practice. No theory is simply accepted as 'valid'. Rather, ideas are proposed, developed into experiments, conducted, discussed, repeated multiple times by numerous individuals, and finally published. Christian Science doesn't seem to follow this structure in a logical manner. It seems like most of your ideas are proposed, fact checked using an outdated storybook that has been written, edited, and rewritten by humans who had limited knowledge of the physical world at the time, and then published. There is no real experiment.

I came into the thread at page 1, saw the experiments the religious man put up, and picked up my physics book.

As I expected, hundreds of years of knowledge told me he wasn't correct. But hey, I try not to be ignorant of the opposing side's arguments, however ignorant their arguments may be. In any case, it was safe for me to conclude that the experiment left out some basic principles.

Well, here's something you can do if you have the time, go into the bed of your truck and take a tennis ball with you. With someone else driving, as you pick up speed and reach a constant velocity, toss the ball in the air. What happened? Did you lose the ball? Well, if you did, you either threw the ball too high so it was picked up by the air as it rushes by your truck, or you didn't throw the ball straight up. If you did the experiment correctly, and didn't allow wind speed and angle to be variables, the ball should have returned right back into your hand. Did it? I'll tell you why.

It's this thing called 'momentum' and it's what kept the ball moving at the same speed as you were. "But wait, I was sitting still in the bed of my truck, I wasn't moving at all! The bible is true and you are wrong, teehee". Yeah, I guess you would be right, if you were ignorant and had no basic roots in fundamental kinetic motion. See, you may have been sitting still in your truck, but the truck itself is moving. Friction between you and the truck bed keeps your body still. So while your velocity may be zero whilst on the truck, your relative velocity is equaled to the vehicle's.

This basic principle and classical experiment (with 3 years of Physics education under my belt) explains why you won't lose the Earth when you jump. I could easily provide experiments, ones that have not been proposed by 'false scientists', that help prove basic fundamentals.

Every time that someone comes in here to use science to prove to the tronks on here, that the earth is round, they overlook one thing. They ignore the fact that round can also be flat. When the counter argument comes (generally a coin), they have no real comebacks. Please note, I am in no way sticking up for Christian whackos, but instead of joining, reading the opening post and commenting, you need to read the entire thread first (although 200 pages is getting very long). If you read it, dozens of people have come here and given their ideas that prove the earth is spherical, citing gravity, momentum, frame of reference, relativity…. Yet none can prove the earth is a sphere, in the same way that they say that the experiments in the topic post cannot possibly show that the earth is flat. There is something really annoying and innately stupid about those that try to attack arguments without thinking their own through thoroughly. Just as your truck experiment and the several dozen times it has been put up on this thread beforehand, they will always have a comeback to it that, although it may be flawed, will show that yours does not prove the earth, and us on top, are moving as one. This experiment does demonstrate relative momentum and be used to explain earth/jump but in the end, does not prove it (as no science experiment can do). BTW I did notice that you mentioned “didn’t allow” for certain variables. For this experiment to is work you would need to allow for some variables. With your 3 years physics experience you should certainly realise this. It is theoretical questions that we do not allow for variables, so we can learn the basic concepts (from 22 years in Physics education).

As for peer-reviewing, it is the process we all go by to get our work published and it does help further your career, but in the end, it is a flawed process. In 99 out of 100 cases it works, but there is the odd time that the peer-review process is made to look a mockery. I will bring up, again, the case of Nature: A few years ago, it published an article, which was peer-reviewed by the editor and several other scientists on behalf of the magazine. In this article, the author claimed that he had completed a series of chemical tests that proved beyond all doubt that the Shroud of Turin was in fact a legitimate artefact and that the stains were caused be Jesus’ blood. So, peer-reviewing does not always make it right, even with hundreds of years of review (take a simple law of reflection experiment on a planar mirror – results always have slight variation – we call it experimental error don’t we?)

Going back to your 3 years of physics education, You do realise that what you have been taught is mandated by the state. In the state I work in, the syllabus changes every 6 or so years, with items added and items removed, some items are even elective so you don’t have to teach them. The education that you get from schools and in particular universities is all dependant on what they want to teach you at the time. You get a basic understanding of some concepts in school and then go to University and get a very specific knowledge on only a couple of things. It is not until you get to a research stage that you can find things out for yourself, however your interpretation of these events are based on the knowledge you have been taught. It is very rare that scientists will not rely on another’s interpretation of preceding events to make their own hypotheses. Your understanding is based on what people teach you, not necessarily what you have discovered yourself.

ACEY DECEY

P.S. I have just read your replies to Femm-bot Phebe. Your belief in what you have been taught with the use of textbooks (written by man) and experience (in experiments) is no different to their belief in the bible (written by man) and their experiences.

P.P.S. To Pasta Ezy-Kill: If you took the bible harness off your head you would see that I wrote an introduction thread on 8th October. A little lunchtime reading for you perhaps. It should go down a treat with your standard meal of blood and body of christ.

[nerdsforhire]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

Then by your own gauging, wouldn't YOU be entering into this forum, being ignorant and COMPLETELY UNINFORMED of issues you are challenging?

There is a certain hypocrisy in your methods.

As for your little sciency book. Yes I have. It's theories of physics and putting them into practice basically. You see, despite what you may want to believe, many of we True Christians have done our time believing the secular hogwash force fed down our throats by state schooling institutions. I am one of the poor souls who were not fortunate enough to be home-schooled and taught the Truth of The Lord from birth and as such, I had a lot of catching up to do in that regard.

YIC

Phebe Carlyle.

Thanks for reading the title of the book and extrapolating its contents. You're incorrect, "It was written to give students the basic concepts of physics in a manner that is accessible and clear. The goal is for students to view the world through eyes that know physics." -taken from book description

And besides, if you had read any part of the book regarding kinetics, you would have understood the ludicrous nature of the first experiment proposed to prove the Earth is flat.

In any case, yes, you're absolutely correct, I am wholly hypocritical when I talk about ignorance. But that's just because from my perspective, it's those who refuse to incorporate physical, real explanations with their beliefs who are ignorant.

You are ignorant. You haven't read a physics textbook and contemplated its information. You've eschewed an updated fact for an outdated assumption. When you explain something to me, I can consider it, I can put the explanation against knowledge that is relevant, and I can disregard it as a whole as baseless.

Do you want to know why I don't need to have read the King James version of the bible to argue this information? Because the King James bible has no relevant knowledge concerning the material world and how it works.

However, I must realize I can't use evidence to back up an argument that is inherently philosophical so here's this: If the Earth was flat, how did anyone manage to circumnavigate the globe? How has water not fallen of the face of the Earth?

If you tell me it is by God's grace, because I'm theologically uneducated, you've got to be kidding me. There are reasons for everything, the only difference between you and me is the explanation. My explanation has base, it has material proof through fact. Your explanation is reliant upon belief.

P.S. with regards to the first 'experiment', ever seen an old western? Remember those great scenes where the hero chases the villain on top of a train? Do you remember anyone falling backwards while trying to jump forwards to the next car? Not unless they were shot, no.

[James Hutchins]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

Also, A coin is a three dimensional object, so it's not a circle. Strictly speaking, it's more like a cylinder. If you'd like a basic understanding of Geometry, I suggest you take a class, or ask your local eighth grader.

You are correct, a coin is much like a very short cylinder. The Earth is shaped much the same.
It is terrific we can agree on this key point. Your eighth grade education is fairing you well.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

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[...]It should go down a treat with your standard meal of blood and body of christ.

Your ignorance is appalling, we are not damnable Catlix and do NOT have anything to do with the lies of transubstantiation which is the dogma of the anti-Christ. We may partake of wine and bread and, following His request, remember Him when doing so.

[Lisa H]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

blah blah blah

In any case, yes, you're absolutely correct, I am wholly hypocritical when I talk about ignorance.

How true

blah blah blah

However, I must realize I can't use evidence to back up an argument that is inherently philosophical so here's this: If the Earth was flat, how did anyone manage to circumnavigate the globe? How has water not fallen of the face of the Earth?

No-one has circumnavigated the globe. They have circumnavigated the earth because it is flat and round.

If you tell me it is by God's grace, because I'm theologically uneducated, you've got to be kidding me. There are reasons for everything, the only difference between you and me is the explanation. My explanation has base, it has material proof through fact. Your explanation is reliant upon belief.

We have proven the earth is flat many times, it is not a belief. You have to believe the earth is a sphere but you cannot prove it.

P.S. with regards to the first 'experiment', ever seen an old western? Remember those great scenes where the hero chases the villain on top of a train? Do you remember anyone falling backwards while trying to jump forwards to the next car? Not unless they were shot, no.

That is because they were jumping forwards. Even you said that.