[Witch of Endor]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

By all means friend, argue with the Christians here if you wish, but you may want to check your logic first.

I guess we all agree on the fact that you can not prove the bible with the bible.
If you disagree, get a piece of paper and write with me:
I am an idiot, and this is the truth.
Are you an idiot? is this a proven fact? Well th. Note says it so, so it MUST be true, right?

The difference here is that they believe their Bible to be in the infalliable word of God, whereas human beings are falliable. If a human writes a note stating they are an idiot, it may or may not be true (though it probably is because they are wasting their time writing notes to themselves). However, if an infalliable being writes that you are an idiot, there's no room for interpretation there.

I know you all believe the bible is the word of God. But Christian science should be aimed towards proving that through facts in real life, and not "facts" from the bible itself.

I'm sorry, did I miss the memo? The one where apparently the Bible doesn't exist in real life? The fact is that the Bible is AT LEAST as good a piece of evidence as any other, and using it to prove anything should be given the same amount of weight as theories "proven" via other sources.

If you say the world is flat, because it's described in the bible. Then by any science, including Christian science, you can not prove this by other parts of the bible. You can only prove this by real world science that leaves no other option.

This is like saying if a scientist does an experiment, he is only then allowed to use the evidence he saw in a single part of the experiment.

If you don't want to, don't call yourself a Christian scientist and don't try and do experiments. Want to know if the worlds flat or not? Go to space. Ever imagined a "what if ...?". Propably not. That's not true science.

Why don't you go to space and see if the world is spherical or not? I've seen the pictures taken from space and the world looks like a flat, round disc to me. It seems like you've just proved the world is flat!

Ignorance is Bliss.

And you my friend must be quite blissful.

Blessed be, my illogical friend

Kassandra, Witch of Endor

[Doc_Sregor]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

Well, you haven't proven any thing incorrect at all.

Second, I'm not racist in the slightest. And judging by another thread on here you people, apparently, are. (Sounded like one of the laugh threads though, though it was written by the same guy who wrote this thread saying the earth was flat. lolwut?))

Not to mention that just a few posts earlier I found out that "God hates me because I'm Irish"

Third: God may have given you the ability to choose, free will. But when you know right and wrong, and you are TOLD that there is only ONE right choice it isn't really a CHOICE any longer. Revisit Adam and Eve? Upon eating the apple they were given the KNOWLEGE OF RIGHT AND WRONG. There is a definitive difference there, maybe YOU should "revisit" Adam and Eve.

But to prove the point that the Earth is round.

When you look at the Horizon it seems to curve.

1.Stand on an ocean or sea shore and watch a boat sail away. (It "Dips" below the horizon because the earth is curved.)

2. Watch a plane fly across the sky.

3. Take any trans-continental flight (In which more than the 100,000,000+ followers who believe this "Earth is flat" stuff have done) In which the flight path curves around the "Known edges" of the Earth.

4. Check any meteorological readings that SHOW storm systems moving across the globe, wind currents, or tidal shifts.

5. Check off the calender as it shifts from summer through winter and back to summer once more.


The world was proven to be round, YEARS ago.

I now want YOU to DISPROVE this, without using the Bible to support its own writings (As you've mistakenly interpreted them).

Tell me how people fly from Australia to Hawaii without passing Africa or any other continent. Tell me.

[Terry Wrist]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

You really have posted a lot of comments without a reply to your first one.

First, this thread is about the earth being flat, anything else is off topic. If you want to discuss other things, find the appropriate thread.

Second, God gave you free will to believe in him. You may want to revisit Adam & Eve.

Third, racism is not tolerated here. If you want to be racist, go somewhere else.

I have proven all the presented spherical earth theories incorrect. You should go back and read the entire thread.

Now state your point on why you believe spherical theory is correct. Without using insults.

How can it be day on one side of the earth, and night on the other side of the earth? Where does the equator Start & end?
How come flights from Bejing to New York are Three hours shorter if you fly over the north pole?

Spherical earth, right there.

[Lisa H]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

How can it be day on one side of the earth, and night on the other side of the earth? Where does the equator Start & end?
How come flights from Bejing to New York are Three hours shorter if you fly over the north pole?

Spherical earth, right there.

Spherical earthers are the one's that claim timezones and seasons cannot exist on a flat earth.

[Doc_Sregor]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

Uh, no, miss Witch of Endor.

The Bible is not evidence of ANYTHING. It is a "Religious" Text, one that is not accounted for in any other religious text written around that time. No where else on Earth, during the time, is there any account of a universal flood.

Dinosaurs were too mean and aggressive to be put on the Arc? Really? Last I checked the fossils of the dinosaurs predated the creation of the Arc by quite a few years....

You've seen a picture of the Earth from space? Wow.... How many of them have you seen, in which it looks like a flat disk? In any number of the numerous pictures of Earth from space are the Continents in different places (From left to right)? I bet you if you look at a few more there are quite a lot of differences. Being that the Earth is a sphere, and rotates.

And though you feel that the Bible should be as good a reference as any for history, it shouldn't. Compared with its timeline and the others of the period there are several discrepancies, ALL of which are only "disproved" because the Bible doesn't encompass them all. Doesn't say whether it was true or not.

You CANNOT use the Bible to prove itself. Just as you cannot use a word to define itself.

"Its untrue because the Bible -says it's not-."

((You could also insert "doesn't say it is")).

YOUR logic still is the same, and is just as erroneous as ever. It's WRONG.

[Seth Campbell]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

By all means friend, argue with the Christians here if you wish, but you may want to check your logic first.



The difference here is that they believe their Bible to be in the infalliable word of God, whereas human beings are falliable. If a human writes a note stating they are an idiot, it may or may not be true (though it probably is because they are wasting their time writing notes to themselves). However, if an infalliable being writes that you are an idiot, there's no room for interpretation there.



I'm sorry, did I miss the memo? The one where apparently the Bible doesn't exist in real life? The fact is that the Bible is AT LEAST as good a piece of evidence as any other, and using it to prove anything should be given the same amount of weight as theories "proven" via other sources.



This is like saying if a scientist does an experiment, he is only then allowed to use the evidence he saw in a single part of the experiment.



Why don't you go to space and see if the world is spherical or not? I've seen the pictures taken from space and the world looks like a flat, round disc to me. It seems like you've just proved the world is flat!



And you my friend must be quite blissful.

Blessed be, my illogical friend

Kassandra, Witch of Endor

Wow, now even the witches are agreeing with us

How can it be day on one side of the earth, and night on the other side of the earth? Where does the equator Start & end?
How come flights from Bejing to New York are Three hours shorter if you fly over the north pole?

Spherical earth, right there.

Well excuse my "paint" skills, but here is a picture of a flat earth, and I have drawn a straight line from approximately New York to Beijing. Now where does it go?


As for the light, go out in the backyard with a flashlight, do you light up the entire back yard? Or only the area that you shine the light specifically on?

[Lisa H]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

Well, you haven't proven any thing incorrect at all.

Read my answers and you will find I have.

Second, I'm not racist in the slightest. And judging by another thread on here you people, apparently, are. (Sounded like one of the laugh threads though, though it was written by the same guy who wrote this thread saying the earth was flat. lolwut?))

No-one here is racist. So please respect the racism policy. Not following it will get you banned.

Not to mention that just a few posts earlier I found out that "God hates me because I'm Irish"

God only hates those who do not believe in Him. Don't bring racism into topics.

Third: God may have given you the ability to choose, free will. But when you know right and wrong, and you are TOLD that there is only ONE right choice it isn't really a CHOICE any longer. Revisit Adam and Eve? Upon eating the apple they were given the KNOWLEGE OF RIGHT AND WRONG. There is a definitive difference there, maybe YOU should "revisit" Adam and Eve.

You have the knowledge to choose right & wrong. Your argument is arguing the same thing. Have you answered a multiple choice question. You can pick any answer you want, but there is only one correct answer.

But to prove the point that the Earth is round.

When you look at the Horizon it seems to curve.

Look at the picture of the train track in the desert I posted. Are the tracks curving down. No.

1.Stand on an ocean or sea shore and watch a boat sail away. (It "Dips" below the horizon because the earth is curved.)

The boat disappears amongst the waves. It vanishes because it is to far away to see.

2. Watch a plane fly across the sky.

Sounds boring, and yes I have.

3. Take any trans-continental flight (In which more than the 100,000,000+ followers who believe this "Earth is flat" stuff have done) In which the flight path curves around the "Known edges" of the Earth.

There is no curve. I have traveled many times in a plane.

4. Check any meteorological readings that SHOW storm systems moving across the globe, wind currents, or tidal shifts.

It makes it easier for interactive purposes.

5. Check off the calender as it shifts from summer through winter and back to summer once more.

Only Spherical earthers think seasons cannot exist on a flat earth.

The world was proven to be round, YEARS ago.

Yes the spherical earth theory was created years ago

I now want YOU to DISPROVE this, without using the Bible to support its own writings (As you've mistakenly interpreted them).

Done

Tell me how people fly from Australia to Hawaii without passing Africa or any other continent. Tell me.

Having made this quite a few times myself, you do not fly over Africa.

[Terry Wrist]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

As I am Reading into this, I realise people knew the earth was a sphere 6 centuries before Jesus was born.

Pythagoras, Plato, Aristotle, etc.

And like that awesome guy named Doc wrote below me, scientifically you can not prove the bible using the bible. If the bible is true, you can prove it without using the bible.

This is harder then explaining colour to a blind person.

[Witch of Endor]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

Uh, no, miss Witch of Endor.

Uh, no, Mr. Doc_Sregor

The Bible is not evidence of ANYTHING. It is a "Religious" Text, one that is not accounted for in any other religious text written around that time.

I'm sorry, could you repeat that?

No where else on Earth, during the time, is there any account of a universal flood.

I'm sorry, could you repeat that?

Dinosaurs were too mean and aggressive to be put on the Arc? Really? Last I checked the fossils of the dinosaurs predated the creation of the Arc by quite a few years....

I am glad to see you agree there is historical evidence for the Ark

You've seen a picture of the Earth from space? Wow.... How many of them have you seen, in which it looks like a flat disk? In any number of the numerous pictures of Earth from space are the Continents in different places (From left to right)? I bet you if you look at a few more there are quite a lot of differences. Being that the Earth is a sphere, and rotates

Really? Because in every picture I've seen, the edges are quite obvious. Would you like me to post a picture so I can point out to you exactly where the edges of the Earth are?

And though you feel that the Bible should be as good a reference as any for history, it shouldn't. Compared with its timeline and the others of the period there are several discrepancies, ALL of which are only "disproved" because the Bible doesn't encompass them all. Doesn't say whether it was true or not.

The only "reason" why you would object to the Bible being used as evidence is because you are a brainwashed atheist. The fact is, the bible is self-consistent, both internally and externally. Its internally self-consistent because nowhere in the Bible does it say that the Bible is fallible, and if you read through those links I provided for you, you will see that it is externally self-consistent too!

You CANNOT use the Bible to prove itself. Just as you cannot use a word to define itself.

See my above point for a great explanation of why using the Bible as evidence is not circular reasoning!

[QUOTE"Its untrue because the Bible -says it's not-."

((You could also insert "doesn't say it is")).

YOUR logic still is the same, and is just as erroneous as ever. It's WRONG.[/QUOTE]

While I am not personally a believer, I am not so blind as to believe the Bible isn't an excellent historical document and it is automatically void as a form of evidence. Now, instead of frothing at the mouth because some Christians used the Bible as a piece of evidence to counter your unverifiable position, why don't you take a minute to review exactly what good logic is.

Blessed be, my brainwashed atheist friend

Kassandra, Witch of Endor

[Lisa H]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

As I am Reading into this, I realise people knew the earth was a sphere 6 centuries before Jesus was born.

Pythagoras, Plato, Aristotle, etc.

And like that awesome guy named Doc wrote below me, scientifically you can not prove the bible using the bible. If the bible is true, you can prove it without using the bible.

This is harder then explaining colour to a blind person.

You have not read my answers. Most of them do not have a Bible reference, but show how the spherical earth theory is wrong. So stop with this nonsensical statements of using the Bible to prove the Bible.

[Terry Wrist]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

Wow, now even the witches are agreeing with us



Well excuse my "paint" skills, but here is a picture of a flat earth, and I have drawn a straight line from approximately New York to Beijing. Now where does it go?


As for the light, go out in the backyard with a flashlight, do you light up the entire back yard? Or only the area that you shine the light specifically on?

why is Australia so stretched out? Any road sign there will disprove that map.

As for your "sun". How can it dip beyond the horizon / edge of the earth, and be day on the other side? I'd it's a flat earth, it would be night everywhere when the sun is beyond the horizon. This is only possible on a spherical earth.

[Lisa H]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

why is Australia so stretched out? Any road sign there will disprove that map.

As for your "sun". How can it dip beyond the horizon / edge of the earth, and be day on the other side? I'd it's a flat earth, it would be night everywhere when the sun is beyond the horizon. This is only possible on a spherical earth.

Did you miss the part where Seth said his paint skills were not very good.

[Seth Campbell]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

why is Australia so stretched out? Any road sign there will disprove that map.

How do you know Australia is stretched out? Prove to me that this is not it's actual shape. And you really expect to be able to see a road sign from a full earth view?

As for your "sun". How can it dip beyond the horizon / edge of the earth, and be day on the other side?[/quote]
It goes around the earth? Like a flashlight? Sheesh you don't catch on very quickly do you.

I'd it's a flat earth, it would be night everywhere when the sun is beyond the horizon. This is only possible on a spherical earth.

1. prove to me it isn't
2. even if it is, see my flashlight comment above.

[Phebe Carlyle]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

Should you give a dog the choice between food and starvation; It is not a choice. It is a play on the "Dog's" instincts to decide for itself what it wants more.

No, your example would be the same as giving a human a choice between starvation and food. THAT is a fundamental need in life; eating and one that God gave to EVERY ONE of His creations. That is not a choice situation and you are a fool to even use it as an example.

The same could be said for eternal damnation and eternal salvation; Your logic is flawed.

Given the choice between salvation and eternal hellfire (Or its equivalent) there is no 'actual' choice.

Yes there is. Some people, at least by the troll replies on here have made it more than clear they have chosen hell, so they made an 'actual' choice.

Free will means the right to choose for your self what is right and what is wrong, what to believe and what to discredit.

Just a question, what do you think is right for you and WHY do you think it's right? Please elaborate why you don't believe that following Jesus is the right choice for you personally.

If there is only ONE right path to choose there is actually NO free will. That is evident. There is NO choice if there is only ONE right choice.

There is only one right choice for Salvation and that is to repent all your sins and become ONE with Jesus. We only tell you of Jesus because we love everyone. When it comes down to it though, the ultimate decision for you to accept the gift of Salvation that god may offer to you if he feels you truly love Him, is up to you. That decision is between you and Jesus; not you and me and not you and Brother James Hutchins (for example).

God doesn't have you at gunpoint and you are free to choose the alternative.
(see the fact there IS an alternative proves there is a choice).

And yes, Gabriel TELLING Mary that God had placed the seed within her IS MUCH DIFFERENT than God doing so himself. Because in each circumstance it would, rationally show, that Mary had indeed been unfaithful. Where as in only one of the circumstances, would Mary's head have exploded due to the righteous light.

God also allowed Elizabeth (formerly barren and cousin of Mary) to also be with child around the same time as Mary was pregnant, so Mary already knew that Gabriel came and told people they were pregnant. As she already knew Gabriel and God were capable of such news, WHY would Mary's head explode?

You are making no sense.

Your logic is flawed, and your "Creation" Scientists only way to disprove what is actually "Physically TRUE, in all REALITY" is by saying that all things presented are UNTRUE because the Bible either says so (Which is ostensibly misinterpreted) or because the Bible simply does NOT say it IS true.

You base all logic, ideal, based on the "Word of God" which ust so happens to be physically WRITTEN by the HAND of MAN.

I laugh at you.

Prove ANY of that wrong.

I don't mind if you laugh at me. God told us we would be persecuted by nay-sayers far too shallow and without the spirit of God within them to grasp any TRUTH. I suppose the love of the Lord would be difficult concept to grasp to a non-believer. I will pray for you and your obviously sad and empty life.

The University of Jerusalem has proven that the Bible had ONE divine Author and that IS God. The findings were even published in a "well respected" secular scientific journal. Obviously though you have not read about that as you are completely blind (BY CHOICE) to The Truth.

YIC

Mrs Phebe Dewitt.

[Doc_Sregor]

Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT

Witch, you have shown or proven nothing.

This here:

"The only "reason" why you would object to the Bible being used as evidence is because you are a brainwashed atheist. The fact is, the bible is self-consistent, both internally and externally. Its internally self-consistent because nowhere in the Bible does it say that the Bible is fallible, and if you read through those links I provided for you, you will see that it is externally self-consistent too!"

Self-Consistent isn't actually a term, the term is actually consistent, adding the "Self" to it is pointless, and does nothing to discredit any thing said about it.

And in saying that it is "Internally self-consistent because nowhere in the Bible does it say that the Bible is fallible" only strengthens the argument that you are using the Bible to strengthen the Bible's views. That you are using the Bible to prove the Bible correct, which in itself, cannot be done, because you cannot prove something by using itself as evidence.


1st time

I'm sorry, could you repeat that?

Sure, and I'll elaborate. The Bible is a RELIGIOUS TEXT: One that is not accounted for by any other Religous text in its time.

The link you provided is ONLY about the Bible. It shows ONLY that the cities, writings, and time frame that they were accounted proved to be written when/where the claimed to be. It does absolutely NOTHING to discredit/disprove my statement that you linked me to with the pretentious "I'm sorry, could you repeat that." So, there you go on that.

Next:

2nd time

I'm sorry, could you repeat that?

There is no proof in this link that all accounts are due to a world wide flood. A universal ice age (As scientists have leaned towards) could have caused the same effect ages before Noah and his Ark.

Not to mention that the same link also says that the same effect could have come from volcanic eruptions, as would be evident within Yellowstone park.

Ambiguous results, grasping for straws, all of which deposits are smaller than the state of Texas. None of which are conclusive to a universal flooding of the Earth. Given the considerable age of the planet, and that plant life is the oldest known form of life on the planet, any number of circumstances could be the cause for such deposits. (Though which are found "all over the world" are still scarce). The only thing that IS evident in this article is that it DIDN'T ALL happen at the same time.

Next:

I am glad to see you agree there is historical evidence for the Ark

Actually, I didn't. I'm speaking in the terms you are accustomed to, using the age of the Dinosaur fossils to discredit that the Ark was ever built, being that earlier in the thread an answer to my question on Dinosaurs was that "Hintey: They were too big and aggressive to be on the Ark", which was the apparent answer to their demise. Though their Demise came long, long before the "Ark" was ever "Built", in the time period it was said to "Be".

So be glad about nothing, other than your having missed the facts there.

Next:

Really? Because in every picture I've seen, the edges are quite obvious. Would you like me to post a picture so I can point out to you exactly where the edges of the Earth are?

Actually I would, because I'd really like to know how a flight from Australia, without PASSING (NOT CROSSING OVER) Africa can do so in the appropriate time (Given the Map posted earlier). And also how a commercial flight from New York to Beijing can take place when passing over the North Pole (Where temperatures are so extreme as to necessitate specially augmented planes for the altitudes) without crashing into the snow. (And also where Antartica went.)

Next:

The only "reason" why you would object to the Bible being used as evidence is because you are a brainwashed atheist. The fact is, the bible is self-consistent, both internally and externally. Its internally self-consistent because nowhere in the Bible does it say that the Bible is fallible, and if you read through those links I provided for you, you will see that it is externally self-consistent too!

I believe I've already addressed how you cannot use an object to define/prove itself, and how "Self" consistent is not a term; Consistent would be what you're looking for, and it wouldn't make a difference in the slightest.

Next:

See my above point for a great explanation of why using the Bible as evidence is not circular reasoning! While I am not personally a believer, I am not so blind as to believe the Bible isn't an excellent historical document and it is automatically void as a form of evidence. Now, instead of frothing at the mouth because some Christians used the Bible as a piece of evidence to counter your unverifiable position, why don't you take a minute to review exactly what good logic is.

Blessed be, my brainwashed atheist friend

Actually, the post above that is EXACTLY using the Bible to define itself, and IS circular reasoning.

Also the Bible is RELIGIOUS TEXT, and NOT a Historical document to be used as evidence of history. As many of the events in the Bible canNOT be proven without using the Bible as evidence to support itself.

There is a definitive difference between RELIGIOUS TEXT and HISTORICAL DOCUMENT.

And.... Calling any of what you said "Good Logic" is just.... Well its one of the best laughs I've had on the internet.

Have a nice night, witch.