Poll: Shape of the Earth?

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Brothers and Sisters:

In THIS THREAD I have laid out my own personal testimony regarding the shape of the Earth, and also debated with our Brother in Christ, True Disciple, about various Bible verses.

Brother TD insists that common expressions and idioms, and evidence from metaphorical visions, are to be taken as literal descriptions. Therefore, he believes that the earth is a flat, round-but-square, pancake-like rectilinear sheet set on pillars above water.

I have demonstrated that the Bible is actually scientifically accurate, and supports the true, spherical shape of the Earth.

Please vote in the attached poll.

Meanwhile, may I add that I eat pancakes for breakfast.

[Angel of Light]

Re: Poll: Shape of the Earth?

The Earth is a sphere in space, but the Bible does not support this. It support the flat methodology.

[Lycia The Repentant]

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Rev. Rodimer, I hope for the sake of your immortal soul that this is just a long-running joke.

However, in the case it is not, I do believe there is a perfectly valid, scripturally-sound reason as to why you may have interpreted the Earth as spherical during your journey to see the Firmament.

Allow me to explain.

I think we can both agree that the more literal interpretation (and therefore, more correct) of the verses describing the Earth's shape DOES show that the Earth is, as you put it, a "flat, round-but-square, pancake-like rectilinear sheet set on pillars above water".

Of course, to your average Godmocker, that sounds totally ridiculous! How can something crazy like that exist? Doesn't a world like totally violate everything we know about, well, everything?

And to them I would say...

"But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26

That's right! With God, all things are possible. That's because our Lord is a totally omnipotent being.

"And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth." Revelation 19:6

"And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth." Matthew 28:18

This, of course, means that God is powerful enough to do things like making 2+2=5, make stones that are too heavy for him to lift and then proceed to lift them, and indeed make square circles.

Now, when you were journeying toward the Heavens (a bit foolhardy, in my opinion. Did you forget about the Tower of Babel?), I assume that when you looked down and saw this eldritch wonder of seemingly impossible geometry we call the Earth, your feeble human-brain simply couldn't process what your eyes were seeing, thereby masking the glorious nature of God's true reality and making the Earth appear spherical to you.

Either way, I do think this is an excellent cautionary tale as to why we need to remember that the secret things belong unto the Lord and the Lord alone.

"The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law." Deuteronomy 29:29

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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The Earth is a sphere in space, but the Bible does not support this. It support the flat methodology.

I see you did not bother to read the other thread.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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I think we can both agree that the more literal interpretation (and therefore, more correct) of the verses describing the Earth's shape DOES show that the Earth is, as you put it, a "flat, round-but-square, pancake-like rectilinear sheet set on pillars above water".

Of course, to your average Godmocker, that sounds totally ridiculous! How can something crazy like that exist? Doesn't a world like totally violate everything we know about, well, everything?

And to them I would say...

"But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26

That's right! With God, all things are possible. That's because our Lord is a totally omnipotent being.

"And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth." Revelation 19:6

"And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth." Matthew 28:18

This, of course, means that God is powerful enough to do things like making 2+2=5, make stones that are too heavy for him to lift and then proceed to lift them, and indeed make square circles.

Thank you for proving my point in the discussion with Brother TrueD, in which he insisted that Jesus (who is God) would not be able to see all the kingdoms of the Earth from one vantage point.

As you have pointed out, all things are possible with God.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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"the four corners of the earth" is literally, "from the parts (or sections) of 4 of the earth"

The 4 sections are north, south east and west.

מנּי מנּי מן
min minnı̂y minnêy
min, min-nee', min-nay'
properly a part of; hence (prepositionally), from or out of in many senses: - above, after, among, at, because of, by (reason of), from (among), in, X neither, X nor, (out) of, over, since, X then, through, X whether, with.

ארבּעה ארבּע
'arba‛ 'arbâ‛âh
ar-bah', ar-baw-aw'
The second form is the masculine form; four: - four.

The translation in KJV is of its day and quite satisfactory. If you fail to grasp this, you will be misled, as you have been.

I have seen absolutely nothing to convince me of the heretical stupidity of your argument for a spherical earth.

The earth does not "float in space"! Otherwise we would all be floating! It is supported on great pillars.

[Lycia The Repentant]

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Thank you for proving my point in the discussion with Brother TrueD, in which he insisted that Jesus (who is God) would not be able to see all the kingdoms of the Earth from one vantage point.

As you have pointed out, all things are possible with God.

Rev. Rodimer, I believe you may be somewhat mistaken as to what Brother TD was saying there, and I think a more literal reading of Matthew 4:8 may show you why.

"Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;" Matthew 4:8

To me, that verse reads that Satan literally took Jesus up into an exceeding high mountain, and literally pointed out all the kingdoms of the world (something along the lines of "Hey Jesus! See what I'm pointing at? That's Gaul!").

Brother TD was saying that, coincidentally, all of the glorious kingdoms of the world at that point in time happened to be somewhat close together, and Jesus didn't bother looking at the parts of the world without glorious kingdoms, so He wouldn't have to subject Himself to watching abos in Australia eating maggots, nigras in Africa eating termites, or what have you.

It wasn't that He couldn't, but He just didn't want to (at least, that's how True Disciple's comment read to me).

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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Brother -

Already discussed in the other thread, I'm not going to repeat it here.

Sister -

Brother TD was saying that, coincidentally, all of the glorious kingdoms of the world at that point in time happened to be somewhat close together, and Jesus didn't bother looking at the parts of the world without glorious kingdoms, so He wouldn't have to subject Himself to watching abos in Australia eating maggots, nigras in Africa eating termites, or what have you.

Actually, I said that. Thank you for again proving my point.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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Reverend! You "discussed it" but were like a child screaming for his way in the face of superior intellects, experience and understandings. I have voted in the poll and I think that the only ones gainsaying God will be atheists, Catholics and you.

[MisterM]

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Are you absolute sure that you weren't drugged during the trip? I maybe you really had a "trip". I'm quite sure that people behind moon landing hoax would do anything to prevent their conspiracy to be revealed.

You should do a drug test immediately while the drug can still be traceable. Maybe you should be also quarantined, I have heard that some of these drugs make you sex crazy and there might be thing called flashback. It means that you could turn into virgin boy raping catlic in any second

God Bless You,
Brother Miikkael

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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Are you absolute sure that you weren't drugged during the trip? I maybe you really had a "trip". I'm quite sure that people behind moon landing hoax would do anything to prevent their conspiracy to be revealed.

As mentioned in the original thread (which you plainly did not read), I brought my own water with me to protect against just such an occurrence. And drug testing was completed afterward anyway.

[Lycia The Repentant]

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Sister -

Actually, I said that. Thank you for again proving my point.

Oh, umm, sorry for getting confused there. That was kind of a difficult argument to follow (especially for a weaker vessel)

I still fail to see how that would support a spherical Earth though. Taking into account the numerous other verses regarding the flatness of the Earth, it should be pretty obvious that it lends credence to the Flat Earth Model.

You're not suggesting there would be a contradiction in the Bible, are you Rev. Rodimer?

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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You're not suggesting there would be a contradiction in the Bible, are you Rev. Rodimer?

Not at all. Just that Brother TrueD is misunderstanding Scripture.

TrueD, in fact, is the one insisting there is a contradiction by claiming the Bible states the Earth is both a flat square and a flat circle.

[True Disciple]

Re: Poll: Shape of the Earth?

In THIS THREAD I have laid out my own personal testimony regarding the shape of the Earth, and also debated with our Brother in Christ, True Disciple, about various Bible verses.

Brother TD insists that common expressions and idioms, and evidence from metaphorical visions, are to be taken as literal descriptions. Therefore, he believes that the earth is a flat, round-but-square, pancake-like rectilinear sheet set on pillars above water.

I have demonstrated that the Bible is actually scientifically accurate, and supports the true, spherical shape of the Earth.

And I have disproved, again, everything you said, Reverend. Why do you persist in this heresy?

[Lycia The Repentant]

Re: Poll: Shape of the Earth?

TrueD, in fact, is the one insisting there is a contradiction by claiming the Bible states the Earth is both a flat square and a flat circle.

Rev. Rodimer, you're correct that Brother TD is insisting that the Bible states that the Earth is both a flat square and a flat circle, but if you have enough faith, you will see that this isn't a contradiction at all!

Let me bring up a similar conundrum, one that I'm sure everybody here is familiar since Godmockers bring it up all the time and attempt to trip us up with it. I'm speaking of the Paradox of the Stone, of course. Now, I know that you're aware that I've personally addressed this supposed paradox a few times on this forum, but I will restate it for the benefit of any atheists and Godhaters that may be lurking about here.

The Paradox of the Stone is a question. "Could an omnipotent being (God) create a stone so heavy even He cannot lift it?" If so, then because He's not able to lift the stone, than He's not omnipotent. If not, then there is something that He cannot do, and therefore He is not omnipotent.

The problem with this argument (and your's, coincidentally!) presupposes the fact that God is not omnipotent, because it implies that God is less powerful than rationality and logic, and an omnipotent being cannot be less powerful than anything, including rationality and logic.

Now, we know the God of the Bible is omnipotent, because the KJV Bible specifically says so. I refer you to this verse (that I previously posted in this thread).

"And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth." Revelation 19:6

Now, if you take this verse literally (which everybody should!), it implies that God is omnipotent, and is not bound by the laws of logic and rationality.

Applying this to the Paradox of the Stone, we see that God can easily create a stone too heavy for Him to lift, and then proceed to lift it with ease. He can also make 2+2=5, four-sided triangles, and the Earth be both a flat square and a flat circle.

On the other hand, if we refuse to accept this definition of omnipotence, then God, as He represents Himself in the Bible, becomes an impossibility, simply because He could not exist if He were bound by rationality and logic, and your idea that the Earth cannot be both a square and a circle would have been one of the things that killed Him.

Praise Jesus we live in a world where the actions of God aren't dictated by rationality!