[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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Pictures and Video or it never happened.
Come on, hurry up, Jesus is watching.

Already posted the pictures in the other thread. A few weeks ago.

Wouldn't want to derail this thread by discussing the shape of the earth, now, would we?

[Talitha]

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Already posted the pictures in the other thread. A few weeks ago.

Wouldn't want to derail this thread by discussing the shape of the earth, now, would we?

I never read your posts, so how on earth would I have seen them?

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

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Yes, that WOULD explain the video and the photographs I took.

Let me ask you this. Before you decided to take a dump on God's plainly written Holy Word and declare your observations and private interpretation of scripture as fact, did you stop to consider that maybe what you were seeing wasn't necessarily an accurate picture, but rather an optical illusion.

You took a picture through the thick glass of a rocketship down into a gravity well. The combined effect of the bending of the light through the glass and the warping of the light through the gravity field could easily serve as strong delusion for those who love not the truth of God's Word.

In your blasphemy of a thread, you made the ridiculous claim that Isaiah 40:22 supports your assertion that the Earth is a sphere. Here's why you are wrong. Like English, Hebrew has many words that signify a round shape. One word, chuwg (חוג), means coin-shaped and is translated as circle in the KJV. Another word, duwr (דור), means spherical, and is translated as ball in the KJV. Guess which word is used in Isaiah 40:22 to describe the shape of the Earth.

A saved Christian trusts the Lord with all his heart, and does not lean on his own understanding. When a saved Christian sees something that seems to contradict that which God has said plainly and unambiguously, the first instinct isn't to reinterpret the scriptures until they say whatever we might want them to say. The instinct is to trust God and know that what He says is Truth.

I am praying for you, friend.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson]

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In your blasphemy of a thread, you made the ridiculous claim that Isaiah 40:22 supports your assertion that the Earth is a sphere. Here's why you are wrong. Like English, Hebrew has many words that signify a round shape. One word, chuwg (חוג), means coin-shaped and is translated as circle in the KJV. Another word, duwr (דור), means spherical, and is translated as ball in the KJV. Guess which word is used in Isaiah 40:22 to describe the shape of the Earth.

Amen! This is what I'm constantly trying to drill into the minds of the round earth conspiracy theorists.

If God wanted to use the term sphere or ball, He would have like He did in

Isaiah 22:18 He will surely violently turn and toss thee like a ball into a large country: there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house.

Ball... דור duwr NOT ball חוג chuwg like is used in Isaiah 40:22.

[James Hutchins]

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Pastor, your words always make me feel as though God is actually dicating them that very moment. You make Gods Word(r) come alive.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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I am praying for you, friend.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

. . . and I for you, that your eyes will be opened to your misunderstanding of a few phrases.

As noted in the other thread, by your "interpretations" the Earth is BOTH a disk and a square, with corners.

Clearly, you are misunderstanding.

Why, even Augustine knew the earth was a sphere:

Early Christian Church

From Late Antiquity, and from the beginnings of Christian theology, knowledge of the sphericity of the Earth had become widespread.[70] There was considerable misunderstanding illustrated by the debate concerning the possibility of the inhabitants of the antipodes:
After his conversion to Christianity, Lactantius (245–325) became the tutor to the son of emperor Constantine and a trenchant critic of all pagan philosophy. In Book III of The Divine Institutes[71] he ridicules the notion that there could be inhabitants of the antipodes "whose footsteps are higher than their heads". After presenting some arguments which he attributes to advocates for a spherical heaven and Earth, he writes:

But if you inquire from those who defend these marvellous fictions, why all things do not fall into that lower part of the heaven, they reply that such is the nature of things, that heavy bodies are borne to the middle, and that they are all joined together towards the middle, as we see spokes in a wheel; but that the bodies that are light, as mist, smoke, and fire, are borne away from the middle, so as to seek the heaven. I am at a loss what to say respecting those who, when they have once erred, consistently persevere in their folly, and defend one vain thing by another;

Though he was not a theologian, his books remained widely read and admired and were among those printed first in the fifteenth century.
Saint Augustine (354–430) took a more cautious approach in arguing against assuming that people inhabited the antipodes:

But as to the fable that there are Antipodes, that is to say, men on the opposite side of the earth, where the sun rises when it sets to us, men who walk with their feet opposite ours that is on no ground credible. And, indeed, it is not affirmed that this has been learned by historical knowledge, but by scientific conjecture, on the ground that the earth is suspended within the concavity of the sky, and that it has as much room on the one side of it as on the other: hence they say that the part that is beneath must also be inhabited. But they do not remark that, although it be supposed or scientifically demonstrated that the world is of a round and spherical form, yet it does not follow that the other side of the earth is bare of water; nor even, though it be bare, does it immediately follow that it is peopled.[72]

Since these people would have to be descended from Adam, they would have had to travel to the other side of the Earth at some point; Augustine continues:

It is too absurd to say, that some men might have taken ship and traversed the whole wide ocean, and crossed from this side of the world to the other, and that thus even the inhabitants of that distant region are descended from that one first man.

Scholars of Augustine's work have traditionally understood him to have shared the common view of his educated contemporaries that the Earth is spherical, in line with the quotation above, and with Augustine's famous endorsement of science in De Genesi ad litteram.[73]

Personally, I am of a mind similar to our dear friend Basil:

At least one early Christian writer, Basil of Caesarea (329–379), believed the matter to be theologically irrelevant.[82]

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

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. . . and I for you, that your eyes will be opened to your misunderstanding of a few phrases.

As noted in the other thread, by your "interpretations" the Earth is BOTH a disk and a square, with corners.

Clearly, you are misunderstanding.

I am not "interpreting" anything. God says it in plain English, and I believe it. No private interpretation required.

Why, even Augustine knew claimed the earth was a sphere:

Fixed that for you.

This Augustine of yours had a host of kooky beliefs. He believed that the whole creation account in Genesis was pure fiction, and he believed in infant baptism, original sin, the divinity of Mary, and transubstantiation. This man is burning in Hell as we speak, and you want to look to him for theological guidance?

Personally, I am of a mind similar to our dear friend Basil:

Maybe YOUR dear friend Basil, but I am not friends with, nor do I take my theological direction from, dead Mary-worshiping Catholics.

Hey, do you know who else besides Augustine is also burning in Hell as we speak? Basil.

No offense, friend, but I will believe what God and the Bible has to say over anything you or any other hellbound Mary-worshiping Papist have to say. As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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I am not "interpreting" anything. God says it in plain English, and I believe it. No private interpretation required.

So you believe the Earth is a circular square disc with corners?

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

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So you believe the Earth is a circular square disc with corners?

Of course not -- that is absurd. I believe that the Earth is a circular disk, period. Nowhere does the Bible say that the Earth is a square, and I'm sure that you are aware that the word "corner" has multiple definitions, right?

Corner:

1. The point where two converging lines meet; properly, the external point; an angle; as, we meet at the corner of the state-house, or at the corner of two streets.
2. The interior point where two lines meet; an angle.
3. The space between two converging lines or walls which meet in a point. Hence,
4. An inclosed place; a secret or retired place.
   This thing was not done in a corner. Acts 26.
5. Indefinitely any part; a part. They searched every corner of the forest. They explored all corners of the country.
6. The end, extremity or limit; as the corners of the head or beard. Leviticus 21 and 19.
   Corner-teeth of a horse, the foreteeth between the middling teeth and the tushes, two above and two below, on each side of the jaw, which shoot when the horse is four years and a half old.

So when Isaiah 11:12 says, "And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.", why do you insist on the obviously incorrect geometric (1st) sense of "corner", instead of the indefinite (5th) sense of the word demanded by the context, meaning that the outcasts of Israel and Judah had dispersed everywhere?

It's almost as if you are deliberately abusing the ambiguity of the English language to invent contradictions where none exist. Why would a Christian do that?

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson]

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Why, even Augustine knew the earth was a sphere:

Diodorus of Tarsus, Theophilus of Antioch,Tertullian, Theodore of Mopsuestia, John Chrysostom, Methodius, Cyril of Jerusalem, Irenaeus, Athanasius of Alexandria, Epiphanius of Salamis, Hilary of Poitiers, Ephraim Syrus, and Severianus of Gabala all taught the earth is flat by using the scriptures.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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Of course not -- that is absurd. I believe that the Earth is a circular disk, period. Nowhere does the Bible say that the Earth is a square, and I'm sure that you are aware that the word "corner" has multiple definitions, right?



Corner:

1. The point where two converging lines meet; properly, the external point; an angle; as, we meet at the corner of the state-house, or at the corner of two streets.
2. The interior point where two lines meet; an angle.
3. The space between two converging lines or walls which meet in a point. Hence,
4. An inclosed place; a secret or retired place.
   This thing was not done in a corner. Acts 26.
5. Indefinitely any part; a part. They searched every corner of the forest. They explored all corners of the country.
6. The end, extremity or limit; as the corners of the head or beard. Leviticus 21 and 19.
   Corner-teeth of a horse, the foreteeth between the middling teeth and the tushes, two above and two below, on each side of the jaw, which shoot when the horse is four years and a half old.

So when Isaiah 11:12 says, "And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.", why do you insist on the obviously incorrect geometric (1st) sense of "corner", instead of the indefinite (5th) sense of the word demanded by the context, meaning that the outcasts of Israel and Judah had dispersed everywhere?

It's almost as if you are deliberately abusing the ambiguity of the English language to invent contradictions where none exist. Why would a Christian do that?

Pastor Billy-Reuben

Sounds like you're interpreting, Brother. The corners are metaphorical now?

According to your fellow Landoverian, True Disciple, the corners are corners and the circle is square, and calling anything metaphorical in the Bible is sin:

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I agree that the Bible is fully consistent. You claim that the Bible describes the Earth as both a square and a circle. It cannot be both.

Now you just repeat yourself. Again, why do you think creating a square circle would be too hard for God?

According to your fellow Landoverian, Sister Lycia:

I think we can both agree that the more literal interpretation (and therefore, more correct) of the verses describing the Earth's shape DOES show that the Earth is, as you put it, a "flat, round-but-square, pancake-like rectilinear sheet set on pillars above water".

Rev. Rodimer, you're correct that Brother TD is insisting that the Bible states that the Earth is both a flat square and a flat circle, but if you have enough faith, you will see that this isn't a contradiction at all!

And according to your Brother Billy Bob Jenkins:

If your faith is strong, it shouldn't matter what you see from a plane. I believe what the Bible tells me to believe without regard for evidence or the five senses. And the Bible says that the Earth is a flat, round-but-square, pancake-like rectilinear sheet set on pillars above water! I suppose next we are to question the resurrection solely based on the fact that there is no evidence for it.

I guess your whole congregation disagrees with you, Pastor, as not a single Landoverian argued with them.

My congregation recognizes the Bible as scientifically accurate. Why don't you?

[Pastor J.C. Manning, M.D., Ph.D.]

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Dear Rev. M. Rodimer,

Sounds like you're interpreting

A True Christian™ Pastor never does any interpreting. There is no need for it and also God does not allow it. As you should know, Pastor Billy-Reuben never does any interpreting.

"Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you." Deuteronomy 4:2

calling anything metaphorical in the Bible is sin

Pastor Billy-Reuben didn't use the word metaphorical here, you did. You need to stop seeing things that aren't there. Your case of HACE might be more severe than you realize.

"For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." Revelation 22:18-19

I guess your whole congregation disagrees with you, Pastor, as not a single Landoverian argued with them. My congregation recognizes the Bible as scientifically accurate. Why don't you?

A lot of science is polluted by sinners. Only the Bible is the absolute source of information. Everything else should be compared with the Bible and ignored if it contradicts the Bible. It is time for you to get on your knees and beg for forgiveness from your creator. Otherwise this will not end well...

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness" 2nd Timothy 3:16

I hope this clears up this matter so we can concentrate on more important matters from now on.

"The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever." Psalm 12:6-7

Yours in Christ,

Pastor J.C. Manning, M.D., Ph.D.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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Sounds like you're interpreting, Brother. The corners are metaphorical now?

According to your fellow Landoverian, True Disciple, the corners are corners and the circle is square, and calling anything metaphorical in the Bible is sin:

According to your fellow Landoverian, Sister Lycia:

And according to your Brother Billy Bob Jenkins:

I guess your whole congregation disagrees with you, Pastor,

It is not a question of disagreeing, it is a question of reading, marking and learning the Scriptures, which is why Pastor Billy Reuben is a Pastor and the ones you have quoted are not. They too will come to understand.

as not a single Landoverian argued with them.

Oh Reverend, we do not argue amongst ourselves, we have lessons where we learn what God intended, cease our personal striving, cease kicking against the pricks and accept that which is before us meekly and as sheep before their Shepherd.

It sounds to me that unruly elements of your flock have been usurping your authority and you too have been led astray. I urge you to come into the fold.

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

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God has a warning for you, "Reverend" Rodimer.

Pr 6:12 A naughty person, a wicked man, walketh with a froward mouth.
Pr 6:13 He winketh with his eyes, he speaketh with his feet, he teacheth with his fingers;
Pr 6:14 Frowardness is in his heart, he deviseth mischief continually; he soweth discord.
Pr 6:15 Therefore shall his calamity come suddenly; suddenly shall he be broken without remedy.

Sounds like you're interpreting, Brother. The corners are metaphorical now?

You are being deliberately obtuse. If I say a dog is barking, am I speaking metaphorically if I don't mean that tree-bark is flying out of its mouth?

My congregation recognizes the Bible as scientifically accurate. Why don't you?

That's rich coming from a hellbound papist who completely rejects what the Bible has to say about the shape of the Earth.

[James Hutchins]

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I am just a simple parishioner, not a Reverend or Pastor. All I know is God created everything. So if anyone should know, He would. So called 'scientists' are claiming to be figuring out everything. They constantly have 'theories' (which are simply wild guesses invented after a night of debauchery no doubt) and rarely have facts. God has told us the shape of the Earth. He has explained what is under the ground we walk on and in the sky above. All this is in the Bible and not in comic books. I know the Earth is flat, sort of irregular disk shaped and has edges, much like a mangled silver dollar.