[Fnatic]

Re: Volcanos and Earthquakes - yet more proof God created the world for Man

And I say:

John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

If you say GOD will judge you the same way you judge others, everyone here are basically screwed. Also don't say that Atheists are this and that you know that Atheists isn't a person, is a group of people, and not every person in that group shares the same characteristics that you people say, not all Atheists are bad people just as, not all christians are bad people.

Peace and Love ---> The view of an Agnostic (MY VIEW!!!)

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Volcanos and Earthquakes - yet more proof God created the world for Man

And I say:

John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

If you say GOD will judge you the same way you judge others, everyone here are basically screwed. Also don't say that Atheists are this and that you know that Atheists isn't a person, is a group of people, and not every person in that group shares the same characteristics that you people say, not all Atheists are bad people just as, not all christians are bad people.

Peace and Love ---> The view of an Agnostic (MY VIEW!!!)

But you're still all going to Hell. That's not me judging you; that's pointing out that God tells you you will burn based on your stated beliefs.

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Anything you have to say past that point is non-valid because Jesus Himself says you are condemned already. End of argument.

[Fnatic]

Re: Volcanos and Earthquakes - yet more proof God created the world for Man

OK then how about this:

1 hypothetical scenario - A guy who is kind, goes to charity events, helps people, etc...he is kind to everyone is whole life never done a bad thing, not even the littlest bad thing that you could think of...just one thing...hes an Atheist.
So what the veredict?

Wait no let me guess, hes going to burn in hell, just because hes an Atheist...good for GOD He just sent a Kind hearted fellow to HELL just because he was an Atheist...if GOD wanted us to follow HIM blindly why did HE gave us FREE WILL????

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Volcanos and Earthquakes - yet more proof God created the world for Man

OK then how about this:

1 hypothetical scenario - A guy who is kind, goes to charity events, helps people, etc...he is kind to everyone is whole life never done a bad thing, not even the littlest bad thing that you could think of...just one thing...hes an Atheist.
So what the veredict?

Wait no let me guess, hes going to burn in hell, just because hes an Atheist...good for GOD He just sent a Kind hearted fellow to HELL just because he was an Atheist...if GOD wanted us to follow HIM blindly why did HE gave us FREE WILL????

He burns in Hell. How often do I need to spell out what Jesus says really really clearly.

[Fnatic]

Re: Volcanos and Earthquakes - yet more proof God created the world for Man

You know your universal answer of "Because He is God and He SAYS SO."is getting quite old, and its not a valid argument, just saying "Because He is God and He SAYS SO." doesn't show a good level of intelect development...you want to win arguments do a proper one.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Volcanos and Earthquakes - yet more proof God created the world for Man

You know your universal answer of "Because He is God and He SAYS SO."is getting quite old, and its not a valid argument, just saying "Because He is God and He SAYS SO." doesn't show a good level of intelect development...you want to win arguments do a proper one.

But He is God and he does say so.

Galatians 4:16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?

[Fnatic]

Re: Volcanos and Earthquakes - yet more proof God created the world for Man

By the way if hell is that bad can you answer me this:

"Why is Satan considered the the most evil of all creations if all he does, his ENTIRE purpose, is to spend eternity punishing those who sinned through their lives?"

[Fnatic]

Re: Volcanos and Earthquakes - yet more proof God created the world for Man

Heres another one:


"An omniscient omnipotent God knew exactly what everything would do before he created the universe. There's no way anything could happen that he didn't foresee, and the only way anything could happen differently is for him to create things in a different way. How do we have free will when every decision we make was decided for us before or at the same time as the universe was created?" - If GOD planned all this why does He need to judge people

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Volcanos and Earthquakes - yet more proof God created the world for Man

Heres another one:


"An omniscient omnipotent God knew exactly what everything would do before he created the universe. There's no way anything could happen that he didn't foresee, and the only way anything could happen differently is for him to create things in a different way. How do we have free will when every decision we make was decided for us before or at the same time as the universe was created?" - If GOD planned all this why does He need to judge people

Where can I find that in the Bible?

No, wait, I can't.

[Fnatic]

Re: Volcanos and Earthquakes - yet more proof God created the world for Man

Didn´t GOD created the world??? And since GOD is omniscient omnipotent...you know the rest. Please continue

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Volcanos and Earthquakes - yet more proof God created the world for Man

Heres another one:


"An omniscient omnipotent God knew exactly what everything would do before he created the universe. There's no way anything could happen that he didn't foresee, and the only way anything could happen differently is for him to create things in a different way. How do we have free will when every decision we make was decided for us before or at the same time as the universe was created?" - If GOD planned all this why does He need to judge people

That's easy. God is perfect therefor God loves justice. To get justice God creates people whom it's their fault they are evil so God can punish them.

Is that clear enough for you?

Please keep in mind God damned Himself temperately during the three days Jesus was dead. NO ONE escapes God's justice. Even God.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Volcanos and Earthquakes - yet more proof God created the world for Man

Didn´t GOD created the world??? And since GOD is omniscient omnipotent...you know the rest. Please continue

Yes, God created the world.

Genesis 1

1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. 3And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 4And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 5And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
6And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. 7And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. 8And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

9And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. 10And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good. 11And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. 12And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 13And the evening and the morning were the third day.

14And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: 15And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. 16And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. 17And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, 18And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. 19And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

20And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. 21And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 22And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. 23And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

24And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. 25And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. 29And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. 30And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. 31And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

At no point do I see anything about Him not existing.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Volcanos and Earthquakes - yet more proof God created the world for Man

Didn´t GOD created the world??? And since GOD is omniscient omnipotent...

We owe Him our very lives. He knows the sinful nature of our hearts and has offered us Salvation even when we don't deserve it.

I don't understand why you're so confused. Have you ever read the Bible?

[Fnatic]

Re: Volcanos and Earthquakes - yet more proof God created the world for Man

"An omniscient omnipotent God knew exactly what everything would do before he created the universe. There's no way anything could happen that he didn't foresee, and the only way anything could happen differently is for him to create things in a different way. How do we have free will when every decision we make was decided for us before or at the same time as the universe was created?" - If GOD planned all this why does He need to judge people

Please give me a strait answer, at no point in this argument i said or was said that GOD never existed I only stated that if GOD foresaw everything even the diferent sets of minds, why does he bother with judging people since he planned for those people to sin? Since it's Is fault for planning those people to sin, the people in question didn't sin because GOD, being the most powerfull force, forced those people to sin.

Let me recap:

GOD who created the world, foresaw and programed everything->people sin-> but GOD programmed those people to sin->who is at fault??

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Volcanos and Earthquakes - yet more proof God created the world for Man

GOD who created the world, foresaw and programed everything->people sin-> but GOD programmed those people to sin->who is at fault??

The sinner for not following God's instructions on how to not burn in Hell.

I have no problem not sinning. Stop trying to look for excuses for your dreadful unbelief.