[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Christian Faith Requires Accepting Evolution

But it's a different species. The Basilosaurus cetoides and the Ambulocetus natans are different species.
You must compare ALL data:
Ambulocetus - Kutchicetus - Rodhocetus - Protocetus - Basilosaurus + Dorudon - Squalodon - Cetotherium - today's whales

ok?

Do you even comprehend that things like "species" and "genus" are categories made up by humans?

[loco73]

Re: Christian Faith Requires Accepting Evolution

So why would God create a thirty foot whale with little tiny legs sticking out of it? Explain that one. It's just not going to happen.

So what's the most likely explanation? I call shenanigans.

You just misunderstood evolution. Evolution does not go the way to turn out 'crocoducks' or 'elephantflies'.
I gave the list of all intermediate forms from land-based mammal to today's whale.

[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: Christian Faith Requires Accepting Evolution

You just misunderstood evolution. Evolution does not go the way to turn out 'crocoducks' or 'elephantflies'.
I gave the list of all intermediate forms from land-based mammal to today's whale.

I think everyone misunderstands "evolution" because it is an untenable concept.

Darwin himself was mealy-mouthed about the whole thing: he didn't even introduce the phrase "survival of the fittest" until later editions (ten years later, to be precise) of his book On The Origin Of Species, after strong drink and rampant monkey copulation had taken their toll.

Sad.



Do a Google search on "darwin by the creator" and you'll find that even later he backtracked (AKA "moved the goalposts") by admitting that God is and was responsible for all life in its many forms.



Yours in Christ,

Z. Smyth

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Christian Faith Requires Accepting Evolution

You just misunderstood evolution. Evolution does not go the way to turn out 'crocoducks' or 'elephantflies'.
I gave the list of all intermediate forms from land-based mammal to today's whale.

Yeah you showed us some pictures that someone made up based on some rocks. I also notice you still haven't got a clue about why a 50 foot whale would have little legs the size of a child's legs. It's ridiculous and an obvious fabrication. God simply wouldn't make something so absurd.

Great Job.

Meanwhile we have an eyewitness account that contradicts you utterly.

[loco73]

Re: Christian Faith Requires Accepting Evolution

Yeah you showed us some pictures that someone made up based on some rocks. I also notice you still haven't got a clue about why a 50 foot whale would have little legs the size of a child's legs. It's ridiculous and an obvious fabrication. God simply wouldn't make something so absurd.

Great Job.

Meanwhile we have an eyewitness account that contradicts you utterly.

You can have a look at today's whales. They have got a pelvic bone and nobody has put it there to fake it. So, God really created non-sense.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Christian Faith Requires Accepting Evolution

You can have a look at today's whales. They have got a pelvic bone and nobody has put it there to fake it. So, God really created non-sense.

Are you honestly telling me that you think God put a useless bone in a whale as some sort of joke? I mean, if I saw a whale swimming around with little legs sticking out I'd be prepared to accept your, "God puts odd bones into whales for a joke," hypothesis but it's clear that whales are excellently designed for swimming about and eating things in the water and those legs are no darned use to anything 50 feet long, therefore shenanigans!

I've no idea why whales have this bone you are very excited about but God obviously thought it was a good idea. I've no idea why God does anything but the beauty of it is that I don't have to.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Christian Faith Requires Accepting Evolution

What a good feeling to know, that all the scientific world today is mutually testing their results and that fakes are easily discovered as all the world is watching, when someone publishes a new fossil in a scientific paper.

Friend,

Yes, I am aware of peer review, but who does it? Other scientists who also believe in evolution. Why not some reason skeptics, like say Ken Ham of Answers in Genesis?

[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: Christian Faith Requires Accepting Evolution

You can have a look at today's whales. They have got a pelvic bone and nobody has put it there to fake it. So, God really created non-sense.

Let's turn this on its head:

You claim that the pelvic bone in a whale-fish is unnecessary.

You also claim via your "gods" Darwin and Sagan that the whale is 50 million years old ().

Now: if that pelvic bone is a mistake by God, how has it hindered that mighty fish? How has something that has served it well for 50,000,000 years () been a disadvantage?

YiC,

Zech

[loco73]

Re: Christian Faith Requires Accepting Evolution

Friend,

Yes, I am aware of peer review, but who does it? Other scientists who also believe in evolution. Why not some reason skeptics, like say Ken Ham of Answers in Genesis?

No! Science has to be independent from whatever belief. There are Hindu, Christians, Muslims, Atheists, Bahai, Mormons and all the others among scientists and they have to test the results based on the data - not on their beliefs.
Ken Ham has read about evolution, but misunderstood it was much as you here did. He also thinks, that evolution means: 'turn a croc into a chicken'. The idea of evolution NEVER EVER claimed that. That would be a 'jump' and there is a rule, which says: "nature doesn't make jumps".

All Christians so far answered, that there have to muscles on that pelvic bone. Sure, but it's still a pelvic bone, isn't it. There are also muscles on ours. And I would prefer to accept evolution as the correct explanation, than to accept, that God just created non-sense.
But no matter how you call it - micro- or macro-evolution. You mean the same. And imagine how far a Chihuahua is from a shepard's dog or wolf. And that was possible just within some centuries. You all accept micro-evolution, don't you...
Now add all that change up to 10000 times more and you have mammals loosing their legs and turning into real today's whales.
And Mr. Ham also still thinks, there were 'transitional forms'. Well, ALL animals are 'transitional'. That half-life of every species is in the range of a few million years in average. Or do you still see three meter scorpions, when swimming in the ocean? But they existed. Mr. Ham mixes too much up for my taste to be a real address for information.
Or would you like to be called a liar, when you find a fossil? When these animals (as in the fossils) are no more seen here, they must have lived in the past. Or have you seen any three meter scorpions recently?
And change can occur by just one single mutation. So, Mr. Ham also failed in genetics. There are regulatory genes, which control the whole setup of the body of an animal. Look at Mrs. Nüßlein-Vollhard's work with the fruit flies. One gene and they loose the wings. Now again add that up to thousands and thousands of years and these 'wingless' flies will mutate again and not necessarily die from the mutation. Not all mutations are letal. But Mr. Ham should have known that. Will you still call that being a 'fly', which is now creaping around without wings and maybe with longer front legs? That is evolution! And Mr. Ham still thinks evolution has to have a target, a goal to reach - an aim, where to go. No! It doesn't.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Christian Faith Requires Accepting Evolution

You just misunderstood evolution. Evolution does not go the way to turn out 'crocoducks' or 'elephantflies'.
I gave the list of all intermediate forms from land-based mammal to today's whale.

Who are you to decide "where evolution goes"?

Would not a crocoduck be a powerful creature?



And why do you deny what your own scienticians claim?

Sereno is an explorer-in-residence with National Geographic. He discovered a nearly complete skeleton of a massive crocodile ancestor, dubbed SuperCroc, during expeditions in 1997 and 2000.


He has also given whimsical names to the fossils. The three new species are nicknamed BoarCroc, RatCroc and PancakeCroc. Sereno also found new fossils of two previously described species, which he's named DuckCroc and DogCroc.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Christian Faith Requires Accepting Evolution

And I would prefer to accept evolution as the correct explanation, than to accept, that God just created non-sense.

That's just what it boils down to, a preference. You have your preference and it's your right to prefer what you want. We have the Truth and we have Salvation and we will pray for you to open your heart to God's Truth. Should you continue on your path to perdition there can be no hope for you. We shall watch you burn from our places of comfort in Heaven.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Christian Faith Requires Accepting Evolution

That's just what it boils down to, a preference. You have your preference and it's your right to prefer what you want. We have the Truth and we have Salvation and we will pray for you to open your heart to God's Truth. Should you continue on your path to perdition there can be no hope for you. We shall watch you burn from our places of comfort in Heaven.

At least he is aware that he is making a choice.

[loco73]

Re: Christian Faith Requires Accepting Evolution

That's just what it boils down to, a preference. You have your preference and it's your right to prefer what you want. We have the Truth and we have Salvation and we will pray for you to open your heart to God's Truth. Should you continue on your path to perdition there can be no hope for you. We shall watch you burn from our places of comfort in Heaven.

So you prefer to accept, that God created nonsense?

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Christian Faith Requires Accepting Evolution

So you prefer to accept, that God created nonsense?

It wasn't nonsense. The hubris it takes to think that if something doesn't make sense to your human mind, it must not be real.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Christian Faith Requires Accepting Evolution

It wasn't nonsense. The hubris it takes to think that if something doesn't make sense to your human mind, it must not be real.

That's the Atheist Motto, Sister. "I don't understand, therefore THERE IS NO GOD!"