[I Man Rastafari]

Re: False Religions And Cults

Some say that wine is beneficial, others disagree:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/heal...y-experts.html

http://www.nytimes.com/1994/12/28/us...-benefits.html
Here is a link to the blog of Dr. Apstein inwhich he lets us know that Boston(and its surrounding area) comprise the US’s seat of intelligentsia. Itis stated there that Dr. Apsteinis an Assistant Professor of Medicine at Harvard Medical School and a member ofthe Division of Gastroenterology at the Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center.He also lectures about wine and health.
http://www.wine-blog.org/index.php/2...ine-writer-11/
Here what he said:
“I don’t think there are anyproven health benefits,” said Apstein, an assistant professor at HarvardMedical School
http://globalnews.ca/news/3425037/is-wine-actually-good-for-you-we-asked-2-harvard-educated-doctors/

http://globalnews.ca/news/3425037/is-wine-actually-good-for-you-we-asked-2-harvard-educated-doctors/

Greetings Tomd! I am Trevor McGregor late of Kingston which is in Jamaica and I bid you a hearty welcome. I am very grieved to see that you have already made the white people mad. I think you are a white man too so it is sad that the white people are angry with you. I will give you some advice as a Black man who has overtaken a comprehensive study of white people here in Babylon. The advice is to never argue with white people. They always get mad and you cannot win the argument even when you are right.


I have noticed that the Baptists who own this forum can be very forgiving if you act friendly. They tolerate me quite well usually even though I am a Black man and Rastafari instead of Baptist. I will send you a friend request to show support for your attempts here but I would be dishonest if I did not warn you that many who have become my friends have been banned. It may be racism but I do not know for certain.


Jah Guide!
Trevor

[Didymus Much]

Re: False Religions And Cults

Some say that wine is beneficial, others disagree:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/heal...y-experts.html...

The Telegraph?? Not the Daily Fail, I'll admit, but I don't go to newspapers for medical advice (and neither should you).

...http://www.nytimes.com/1994/12/28/us...-benefits.html...

See above.

...Here is a link to the blog of Dr. Apstein inwhich he lets us know that Boston(and its surrounding area) comprise the US’s seat of intelligentsia....

Lemme guess, he's in the greater Boston area.

By the way, he doesn't "let us know" that, he lets us know that that's his opinion (which is a huge red flag in itself). Anyone that full of themselves usually has a really hard time admitting when they're wrong (see D. Trump et al.).

...http://www.wine-blog.org/index.php/2...ine-writer-11/...

Oh, so newspapers aren't enough of a stretch as far as citations go, now we're supposed to trust BLOGS???!???!11???

...http://globalnews.ca/news/3425037/is-wine-actually-good-for-you-we-asked-2-harvard-educated-doctors/...

Here's a thing about Global. They're Canadian, and nobody in Canada trusts them for anything more serious than Blue Jays box scores.

And... neither should you.

[Dolores de Barriga]

Re: False Religions And Cults

Some say that wine is beneficial, others disagree:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/heal...y-experts.html

Not a peer-reviewed source.

http://www.nytimes.com/1994/12/28/us...-benefits.html

Not a peer-reviewed source.

Here is a link to the blog of...

Not a single blog can be considered a reputable source of scientific information. It lacks the peer-review aspect which makes science reputable, that's why.

http://globalnews.ca/news/3425037/is-wine-actually-good-for-you-we-asked-2-harvard-educated-doctors/

http://globalnews.ca/news/3425037/is-wine-actually-good-for-you-we-asked-2-harvard-educated-doctors/

Not a peer-reviewed source.

I deeply apologize for not even bothering to click on any of these links, but you seriously need to do your homework and give me at least one peer reviewed publication filled with juicy data, engaging with existing literature on the subject, and reaching a conclusion based on both.

I honestly do not care what journalists think that scientists think on any given subject. I prefer to critically engage with original scientific literature.

Quite honestly, I think that you'd fit quite well in this lovely literal-Bible-believing congregation. You do seem to fit the profile of a true believer who prefers to believe an Authority rather than the data.

[tomdstone]

Re: False Religions And Cults

You claim to have an excess of books, yet you admit to being unfamiliar with the expression "in their cups."


I knew the meaning of that phrase, because I have read it in a number of books. This leads to a point that may pertain to some of the weak aspects of your arguments.


You may be the legal owner of two garages filled with books, or perhaps you only have a key to said garages. Either way, your statement gives no pointed evidence that you have read any of the books to which you have access.

Thank you for pointing out that no matter how much anyone has read or no matter how much anyone knows, there is always something new to learn. There are limitations to everyone's knowledge. The last person I know about whose great knowledge was both deep and wide was John von Neumann. Perhaps you know someone else who had greater depth and width of knowledge than he had. Although he was an agnostic all his life, in the end, he converted to Catholicism.

[tomdstone]

Re: False Religions And Cults

So where Dolores directly links four articles supporting her claim, you just name-drop Harvard (everyone go "ooooooo" now) and ONE (possibly fictitious) person who disagrees, leaving it to everyone else to go around digging to try to find this doctor, and where he supposedly said that.

Some say that wine is beneficial, others disagree:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/heal...y-experts.html

http://www.nytimes.com/1994/12/28/us...-benefits.html
Here is a link to the blog of Dr. Apstein inwhich he lets us know that Boston(and its surrounding area) comprise the US’s seat of intelligentsia. Itis stated there that Dr. Apsteinis an Assistant Professor of Medicine at Harvard Medical School and a member ofthe Division of Gastroenterology at the Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center.He also lectures about wine and health.
http://www.wine-blog.org/index.php/2...ine-writer-11/
Here what he said:
“I don’t think there are anyproven health benefits,” said Apstein, an assistant professor at HarvardMedical School
http://globalnews.ca/news/3425037/is-wine-actually-good-for-you-we-asked-2-harvard-educated-doctors/

http://globalnews.ca/news/3425037/is-wine-actually-good-for-you-we-asked-2-harvard-educated-doctors/

[Dolores de Barriga]

Re: False Religions And Cults

It is controversial because a professor at Harvard medical school, Dr. Michael Apstein says that there are no proven health benefits.

You really want me to destroy my laptop, since I've already said that your anecdotal factoid non-evidence custom makes me desperate and makes me want to throw my laptop to the wall. Are you really that devious? Or just clueless?

Let us try again.

DATA = EVIDENCE

ANECDOTAL FACTOID THAT SOME RANDOM DUDE SAID =/= EVIDENCE

If you wish to try to provide actual evidence to support your claim that there are no medical benefits of ingesting resveratrol, I highly recommend that you follow the last link in my previous post. It will lead you to Google Scholar and there you'll have the freedom to read hundreds of academic papers and select those which agree with your point. Please do not forget to evaluate all of these studies based on their methodology. In addition, following the money - who paid for a given study - is also often illuminating as well.

Further, he says that countries that drink the most wine have the highest rates of liver disease in the world.

And how is that related to anything I said? Also, don't trust some random drunkard, there are publicly available statistics, you know.

So where Dolores directly links four articles supporting her claim, you just name-drop Harvard (everyone go "ooooooo" now) and ONE (possibly fictitious) person who disagrees, leaving it to everyone else to go around digging to try to find this doctor, and where he supposedly said that.

Indeed. According to the observable data, there's not a single scientific bone in Mr. Stone. Apparently, he simply cannot spew anything else but anecdotal factoids.

He also disregards Ms De Barriga's "in moderation", replaces it with "countries that drink the most wine", and cites (without a link, for obvious reasons) a man who admits to having 5,000 bottles of wine in his cellar.

Thank you for digging this up, Mrs. Lytton-Vasey. If there's anything controversial about this whole issue, it would be the idea that this poor man could be sober long enough to give a lecture or diagnose a patient.

This sad little troll isn't doing too well, is he?

No, not really. I really would like to think that he is learning something from our little interactions, but it seems like there are some students who just don't want or are mentally unable to learn.

[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

Re: False Religions And Cults

So where Dolores directly links four articles supporting her claim, you just name-drop Harvard (everyone go "ooooooo" now) and ONE (possibly fictitious) person who disagrees, leaving it to everyone else to go around digging to try to find this doctor, and where he supposedly said that.

You done showed her good!

He also disregards Ms De Barriga's "in moderation", replaces it with "countries that drink the most wine", and cites (without a link, for obvious reasons) a man who admits to having 5,000 bottles of wine in his cellar.

This sad little troll isn't doing too well, is he?

[Didymus Much]

Re: False Religions And Cults

It is controversial because a professor at Harvard medical school, Dr. Michael Apstein says that there are no proven health benefits. Further, he says that countries that drink the most wine have the highest rates of liver disease in the world.

So where Dolores directly links four articles supporting her claim, you just name-drop Harvard (everyone go "ooooooo" now) and ONE (possibly fictitious) person who disagrees, leaving it to everyone else to go around digging to try to find this doctor, and where he supposedly said that.


You done showed her good!








/s

[tomdstone]

Re: False Religions And Cults

You really should tell her/him to read up about the health benefits of drinking red wine in moderation.

It is controversial because a professor at Harvard medical school, Dr. Michael Apstein says that there are no proven health benefits. Further, he says that countries that drink the most wine have the highest rates of liver disease in the world.

[tomdstone]

Re: False Religions And Cults

....you admit to being unfamiliar with the expression "in their cups."

True, but I was able to guess its meaning correctly as drinking alcoholic beverages to excess.

[handmaiden]

Re: False Religions And Cults

No. Right now I have too many books. I have two whole garages filled with books from wall to wall. (Including several Bibles, about 10 different translations).

I am not sure what you mean by "in their cups", except perhaps you mean drinking an alcoholic beverage such as vodka.

You claim to have an excess of books, yet you admit to being unfamiliar with the expression "in their cups."


I knew the meaning of that phrase, because I have read it in a number of books. This leads to a point that may pertain to some of the weak aspects of your arguments.


You may be the legal owner of two garages filled with books, or perhaps you only have a key to said garages. Either way, your statement gives no pointed evidence that you have read any of the books to which you have access.


Your many assertions on different threads throughout our forum offer a form of evidence in themselves.

[Dolores de Barriga]

Re: False Religions And Cults

My doctor, who is a Mormon, recommends total abstention from alcoholic beverages.

An atheist would say that this a clear example of religion having a crippling effect on a person. It is OK for your doctor to abstain for religious reasons, but she/he should not make such irresponsible recommendations to her/his patients.

You really should tell her/him to read up about the health benefits of drinking red wine in moderation. Citation 1 Citation 2 Citation 3 Citation 4. The first citation is a bit older, but the other three were written within the last decade. And there's much more where these came from.

[tomdstone]

Re: False Religions And Cults

... we often get people here who are in their cups...

I am not sure what you mean by "in their cups", except perhaps you mean drinking an alcoholic beverage such as vodka. I generally recommend that people stay away from alcoholic beverages, except possibly at special occasions, such as weddings, etc., when I consider it acceptable to drink a very small amount while congratulating the newly wed couple. My doctor, who is a Mormon, recommends total abstention from alcoholic beverages.

[tomdstone]

Re: False Religions And Cults

FTFY, unless of course you were there and watched him create them (and verified that the equipment that he uses to communicate actually does what they claim it does, and isn't simply being remote controlled thereby allowing the possibility of putting a brain-dead chimp in the chair and achieving the same result), and you recorded all of this going on, and you are willing to submit all this evidence to a panel selected by and including the esteemed Dr. White?


#amateurhour

You might read a Biography of Stephen Hawking by Kristine Larsen .

[Alvin Moss]

Re: False Religions And Cults

His many outstanding books and articles as well as a biography written by his first (I think it was his first?) wife.

Did you mean this to be an answer to my question? The reason I ask is that this is a pretty lame excuse for a response and on Saturday nights we often get people here who are in their cups or high on the dope.