[Didymus Much]

Re: False Religions And Cults

I NEED HELP!!!!! THERE IS A GINGER SATAN WORSHIPPER LIVING ACCROSS THE HALL FROM ME WHAT DO I DOO ?!?!?

First, call 4-1-1 to ask them the number for 9-1-1. Ignore them when they tell you it's just 9-1-1 (that's a fake number for the plebes to call), especially when they start calling you names like "idiot" or "mormon". Keep asking. Really pester them if you need to, you'll break them eventually.


Anything after that? Depends on how well armed you are.

[LividWithTheLord]

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I NEED HELP!!!!! THERE IS A GINGER SATAN WORSHIPPER LIVING ACCROSS THE HALL FROM ME WHAT DO I DOO ?!?!?

[Red Army]

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James 4:3

Ecclesiastes 10:2
Keep 'em coming!

[Marshal Kim Jong-un]

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Your own religion of communism is far more dangerous than any of the other false religious cults. Communists usually deny that they are members of any religion and say that there is no God and no Jesus. Meanwhile they parade around with large pictures of Joe Stalin, Karl Marx, Chairman Mao, Hillary Clinton and Kim Il-Sung, as part of your cult of personality. It is these demons that you worship. Your theology of making everyone poor except the glorious leadership of your progressive and advanced religion is thicker with mumbo jumbo than the Roman Catholic religion. God (yes, there is a God) hates you and He will send every one of you to Hell, there to languish in the flaming pit with Jimmy Carter, Vlad Lenin and all the rest of your pantheon. If you do not reject the false and pagan religion of communism/socialism, you will burn and justly so.

Hillary Clinton is not a communist! She will an evil capitalist! Do not even joke about a communist Hillary, can you even imagine how embarrassing it would be? "Pokemon Go seize the means of production!" Ewwww! Anyway, honoring socialist leaders such as Marx, Lenin, Kim Il-sung, etc. will not an "personality cult" any more than honoring in America the presidents Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, etc. and make monument for them, because for in any case, these people stood for country benefit.

[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

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I was hoping for a rebuke including Bible verses. My bad.

James 4:3

[Alvin Moss]

Re: False Religions And Cults

I was hoping for a rebuke including Bible verses. My bad.

Your own religion of communism is far more dangerous than any of the other false religious cults. Communists usually deny that they are members of any religion and say that there is no God and no Jesus. Meanwhile they parade around with large pictures of Joe Stalin, Karl Marx, Chairman Mao, Hillary Clinton and Kim Il-Sung, as part of your cult of personality. It is these demons that you worship. Your theology of making everyone poor except the glorious leadership of your progressive and advanced religion is thicker with mumbo jumbo than the Roman Catholic religion. God (yes, there is a God) hates you and He will send every one of you to Hell, there to languish in the flaming pit with Jimmy Carter, Vlad Lenin and all the rest of your pantheon. If you do not reject the false and pagan religion of communism/socialism, you will burn and justly so.

[Red Army]

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You can prove pretty much anything if you choose your starting and finishing dates with care.

Look: here's incontrovertible evidence of global warming!


Average monthly temperature in New Haven, CT. Source: Yale University

I was hoping for a rebuke including Bible verses. My bad.

[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

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Nevertheless, pseudo-communist countries are rising the wages more steadily than capitalist ones:

You can prove pretty much anything if you choose your starting and finishing dates with care.

Look: here's incontrovertible evidence of global warming!


Average monthly temperature in New Haven, CT. Source: Yale University

[Red Army]

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How do you account for higher real wages under capitalist systems than their until recently communist counterparts?

Note I said counterparts. So compare Russia/America, not Lichtenstein/Macau.

That's easy, capitalist propaganda.


Nevertheless, pseudo-communist countries are rising the wages more steadily than capitalist ones:

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: False Religions And Cults

How do you account for higher real wages under capitalist systems than their until recently communist counterparts?

Note I said counterparts. So compare Russia/America, not Lichtenstein/Macau.

[Marshal Kim Jong-un]

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Capitalism
God - Money. In the Capitalist religion, everything will done for money, and it is what the practitioners of capitalism care about most. An atheist may tell you that he does not believe in an god, but if he will capitalist, then his god will money. A Christian may tell you that his only god is Jesus, but if he will capitalist, then his god will also money. Money is your god in capitalism and it is a sacrament when used for buy consumer items that you don't need.

Sin - A big part in any religion is the forgoing of sin, in Christianity, homosexuality, masturbation, fornication, etc. are considered sin. A similar case is in capitalism, where practitioners are expected to turn away from the sins of charity and compassion for a human fellow being. If a capitalist sees somebody giving money to an homeless personality, his response should be to scold and say "You're stopping his incentive to benefit himself" or "You know he will use it to buy drugs, right?" This is because in capitalism, selfishness is a virtue.

Tithing - Most religions promote tithing, in fact, according to my reputation, the reason I have going to hell is because I have "rejected Christ and tithing to landover". Some religions like Scientology will ask money before you can join. In capitalism, there are two forms of tithing: voluntary and forced. Voluntary tithing is encouraged by a form of propaganda called advertising, encouraging the proletariat to buy product they don't need. The money is then pocketed by the greedy capitalist. The other form of tithing is your taxes. Rather than being giving to services that are beneficial to society like healthcare, education, etc. they are instead used to fund illegal wars, Israeli apartheid, and the right-wing liberal fascist capitalist Rothschild banks.

Sects - In the three major abrahamic faiths, Judaism, Christianity and Islam, it is basically the same story. However, Jews, Christians and Muslims nevertheless feel so much hostility towards each other, and this is shown with the sects within these religions as well (e.g. Catholic and Protest-Ant). In Capitalism, there are two major sects: Liberalism (the so-called "left" of the political spectrum, that is, in reality, centre-right) and Conservatism (the right of the political spectrum). The division within these sects are shown in 2016 USA presidential election. Despite both Shillary Clinton and Donald Dump holding pretty much the same policies in regards to civil liberties, fracking, war, corporate bailouts, police state, etc. the Liberals and Conservatives loved one and hated the other to an extremity.


Sacrifice - In Christianity, Christians believe Jesus Christ died for their sins on the cross (John 3:16-18). In a similar fashion, Capitalists celebrate the soldiers who died in manufactured wars for profit such as Word War 1, the Korean War, the Vietnam War, the Iraq War, etc. They are heralded as heroes and any claim that they died in vain is met with hostility.


Devil - In Capitalism, the Devil is Socialism and Socialist Republics such as the USSR, Mao China, Vietnam and the DPRK. Whenever somebody like Bernie Sanders or Jeremy Corbyn advocated socialism, the Capitalist always says "Go to North Korea, then!!" or something of the equivalent. This is in a similar fashion to a Christian telling an Atheist to go to Hell. Whenever somebody asks for evidence of the so-called human rights violations of North Korea, or evidence for the so-called 100 million deaths due to communism, it is almost exactly parallel to an Atheist asking for the evidence of God or hell. The answer is either:
A - "You can't prove that it didn't happen!" (This removal of the burden of proof from the one make the claim is akin to Christians asking Atheists for proof of God's existence)
B - "It says so in the news!" (Just like the Christian go "It says so in the Bible!")
C - "North Korean refugees have told us all about it! They've lived in North Korea! Have you?" (Just like Ken Ham asking Bill Nye, "Were you there?" On the question of these so-called refugees, they are degenerate liars seeking to profit off of their sob-stories which are absurd, contradictory and slanderous, especially considering the large amount of other refugees who end up defecting back to the DPRK as life in the west was nowhere near as "free" as they though it was. We have no more reason to believe their crocodile tears than we do the toothy smile of the crafty televangelist, when at the end of the day, both go home with big bags of money)


Salvation - Capitalism relies on this precept. Just as the Christian has to embrace Jesus Christ to escape from sin, the proletariat under Capitalism must accept their Capitalist masters, their corporate lobbyist owners and the decadent media as their saviours. They must read their holy scripture (aka: Murdoch-owned newspapers) every day and accept every word of it. They must keep their heads down. Vote in their "democratic" elections, but not for any candidate that isn't a puppet, otherwise they're "wasting their vote"! Obey, Consume, Conform, Reproduce. Capitalism is love. Capitalism is life. Capitalism is liberty. Capitalism is freedom. You are free. YOU ARE FREE. YOU. ARE. FREE. Aren't you glad you don't live in North Korea? They're so tyannous and undemocratic! Let's watch some more Reality TV!

[MitzaLizalor]

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A questions: the religion that the Native Americans practice today isn't Peyotism?

Also, some other neopagan movements:
Kemetism: Egyptian neopaganism.
Hellenism: Greek neopaganism.
Roman way to the gods: Italic-Roman neopaganism.
Rodnovery: Slavic neopaganism.
Natib Qadish: Semitic neopaganism.

There is also Mexicayotl, wich is a revival of the ancient Aztec religion, wich strangely is not considered pagan. The follower of this religon claim to worship a god wich is inexistent in the Aztec mythology.

In

CONFLICT IN THE EARLY AMERICAS
An Encyclopedia of the Spanish Empire's Aztec, Incan, and Mayan Conquests
Rebecca M. Seaman, Editor
pp84-85 ©2013

we read:

In 1524, a group of Franciscans generally referred to as "The Twelve" arrived in New Spain under the leadership of their superior, Martin de Valencia. Many, including their leader, belonged to strict groups of the Order of St. Francis that followed the Observant tradition. These were men willing to suffer for their beliefs, men filled with missionary fervor. They landed in a world imagined as the soil for the new church. This was the land that God had chosen because it was pure from the corruption of the church in Europe. It was their mission, indeed their divine calling, to prepare the indigenous population, in the eleventh hour of the world, for the second coming of Christ and the establishment of his Kingdom. They carried with them a copy of the mandate that Francisco de Los Angeles, their minister general, had given them immediately before boarding ship in Spain, telling them that they were called to prepare the way for Jesus Christ.

Only five years later, Fr. Bernardino de Sahagún followed in their footsteps. Sahagún was part of the same mendicant order as the Twelve and bearer of the same dream. He had volunteered, as was the custom, to make the journey obligated under the minister general's mandate to preach to and convert those indigenous people of New Spain living under the "yoke of the satanic thrall." It did not take long for Sahagún to come to the conclusion that the first friars had been misled and their early claims of baptisms in the thousands were wide exaggerations. The numbers had been there, but the conversions were untrue and/or incomplete. The old gods held sway.

The indigenous people of the Americas conceptualized the universe in absolutely different modes from those from those of the Spanish. Serge Gruzinski, professor of Latin American Studies, has explained that since the pre-Hispanic "conceptions of the divine was not governed by the principles of exclusive monotheism…the Christian image was integrated into the native field." It seemed natural for the Nahua to simply adopt the new God, or Gods into their already busy pantheon. It can be argued that the claims of Catholic monotheism might have not appeared as clear-cut for people who had just begun to conceptualize Christian mythology. The tripartite Christian God, Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, plus the Virgin Mary and the host of saints created an impression of a more plural cosmology. Plurality would then appear familiar to the multicultural people of New Spain. It was within Nahua tradition to incorporate the Gods of the victor. According to prominant scholar James Lockhart, victory was clear evidence of the power of the victor's God. "One expected a conqueror to impose his god in some fashion, without fully displacing one's own; the new god in any case always proved to be an agglomeration of attributes familiar from the local pantheon and hence easy to assimilate." To add to this, the perception of Christian polytheism, the different approaches to evangelization, and even the differences between the Franciscan and Dominican philosophical traditions, created the illusion of a shared multiplicity familiar to the Nahua.

In 1539, Don Carlos Ometochtzin, Cacique of Tezcoco, demonstrated that a plural worldview was still alive. His exposition eventually resulted in his trial and execution by an Inquisition. However, in speeches in his town, Ometochtzin explained Nahua acceptance of plurality and their use of Christianity's internal differences to validate the continuation of their own. Sahagún noted how the indigenous people, after having received the sacrament of baptism, would declare that they believed in the Catholic tripartite God: God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, while inside they continued respecting their gods as gods, serving them, and making offerings and celebrations to them. Although the Franciscan was limited to an either-or proposition, where the Nahua either converted truthfully or lied, for the indigenous people the adoption of these new Gods was part of their tradition. It was a strategy for survival, and a way to access the potency of the new Gods. The attempt to integrate Christianity, and to establish a proper relation with the new aspects of the Supernatural, did not imply an abandonment of the old ways. The familiar gods still maintained their places and purposes. Their significance was braided with the people's identities and histories.

In Totecuyoane, the Nahuatl document that records the answers given by indigenous leaders to the first Twelve in 1524, the elders made a polite yet passionate defense of their beliefs:

. . You say
. . that we don't know
. . the Omneity of heaven and earth.
. . You say that our gods are not original.
. . That's news to us
. . and it drives us crazy.
. . It's a shock and it's a scandal,
. . for our ancestors came to earth
. . and they spoke quite differently.

The Nahua, even as they integrated Christianity, did not forsake their gods. The image is compelling: Franciscans stood on one side, convinced of the superiority and rightfulness of their vision, and with self-absorbed eloquence condemned the Nahua belief system, even mocking it at times. In their corner, they lectured the Nahua about the fallacy of their gods, demoting them all to mere demons and preaching of their damnation and the damnation of all who continued to worship them. On the other side, the Nahua elders, with delicate subtlety, presented and defended their gods. The conflict is evident, even within the highly contaminated Spanish version of events. The elders lectured the friars, defending their attachment to those they held as Teotl (Divinities): "The god called Huitzilopochtli…was very robust, of great strength, and war-like…He was like a live fire and was feared by his enemies…because of his strength and dexterity in war, the Mexicans held him in great esteem." Again, "The god Texcatlipoca was held as a true god, invisible, who was everywhere, and they said that only he understood the rules of the world." One after another the Nahua explained their gods and their significance, giving ample details of their natures, stories, and celebrations. Indigenous attachment to their Sacred did not and could not have ceased. It was imbedded in Nahua identity. The friars' perception of deceit was simplistic, as is any idea of clear conversions. A "double-mistaken-identity" logic, theorized by James Lockhart, allowed each side to perceive the other as functioning within familiar parameters. In many ways the Christianity that entered the new world reformulated by its people into something new, a hybrid, for a lack of a better term, belief system, a Nahuatlized Christianity.

Silver Moon

Is that helpful? No, I didn't think so but Christians will see the parallel at once. When Rome was evangelised a very similar process took place which Basilissa has alluded to. The thousands of demons you've rebadged as "saints" are indistinguishable from the variety offered by Mexican inventions, to a Mexican. Syncretism is a very unpleasant word and I won't use it here but when I see all the Romish idols currently in use by your creed in direct contravention of the Scripture you claim to follow and compare them with your pre-existing pantheon I see no greater difference than between the Roman and Greek versions; different names, updated clothing I suppose but the same demonic influence ticking away inside.

Recusant paganism or made up heathen religions would not be identified as such by papists because you're similarly envenomed, if what you say is correct. You've just added a Jesus to an older pantheon but persist with everything that went before which is not what happens if people follow The New Testament. Now that your leader is abandoning even his pretence to follow God very little remains from what I can make out. But there is one model rather similar, the big fat heifer and the little starving calf. You have already referred to it..

Also, shouldn't Juche count as well as a religion?

ABC-CLIO

[Basilissa]

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Roman way to the gods: Italic-Roman neopaganism.

You mean, Catholicism.

Thank you for publicly admitting that it is a pagan religion.

[Romeo Rovagnati]

Re: False Religions And Cults

A questions: the religion that the Native Americans practice today isn't Peyotism?

Also, some other neopagan movements:
Kemetism: Egyptian neopaganism.
Hellenism: Greek neopaganism.
Roman way to the gods: Italic-Roman neopaganism.
Rodnovery: Slavic neopaganism.
Natib Qadish: Semitic neopaganism.

There is also Mexicayotl, wich is a revival of the ancient Aztec religion, wich strangely is not considered pagan. The follower of this religon claim to worship a god wich is inexistent in the Aztec mythology.

Also, shouldn't Juche count as well as a religion?

[RegofChrist]

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How could you miss the false religion of Buggery/Homerism:?

Definition: Men lusting for the dung of other men
Worships: The rectum, human waste, young boys and Satan