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Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism
In response to the original posters points....
Point Number 1: Actually, we do have mercy and pity for others. And I believe the Original Posters facts are a little incorrect. The Spanish Inquisition (also called The Tribunal of the Holy Office of the Inquisition) was a tribunal set up by Christian Monarchs (not atheists) Ferdinand II of Aragon and Isabella I of Castile. I believe that these were the same monarchs that funded Christopher Columbus's expeditions. Also, Adolf Hitler (leader of the Nazi party) advocated positive Christianity (a militant, non-denominational form of Christianity that emphasizes Christ as an active preacher, organizer, and fighter who opposed the institutionalized Judaism of the day.
Point Number 2: Actually, no. Natural Disasters are not just random events. Take for example the Japan tsunami. It was caused by an earthquake, which was caused by a buildup of pressure along a tectonic faultline. I am not a geologist, so that is about the limit of what I can explain. For a more detailed explanation, you might want to refer to here: http://www.soest.hawaii.edu/GG/ASK/earthquakes.html
Point Number 3 (oh wait, it says 4): If you go by the taxonomic definition, no, there is no difference. But, If you go by the difference between Homo sapiens sapiens and what you people call animals, there is a major difference. We are capable of more higher level functions (such as emotion) than what we call animals. About how animals are tools for humans to use as they see fit, what happened to all animals are God's creatures? Look at these quotes: "Look at the birds flying around . . . your Father in Heaven takes care of them" Matthew 6:26, "All the animals in the forest are Mine and the cattle on thousands of hills. All the wild birds are Mine and all living things in the fields." Psalm 50:10, 11, "Wolves and sheep will live together in peace, and leopards will lie down with young goats, calves and lion cubs will feed together, and little children will take care of them. Cows and bears will eat together, and their calves and cubs will lie down in peace. Lions will eat straw as cattle do . . . The land will be as full of knowledge of the Lord as the seas are full of water." Isaiah 11:6-9. All of these quotes show that animals are God's creatures (according to the Bible).
Point Number 5 (by the number it gives in the post): Really? Because Muslims might say that only the Qur'an gives objective standards of good and evil. If you look at my post, you will see that none of those can be used by an other religion.
Point Number 6: Really? You have no reason for feeling pity for another living thing either. You can justify the killing of a "sinner" by saying that he/she deserved to die, or that they will rot in hell for all eternity.
Point Number 7: There have never been any other gods but God? This argument can be used by Hindus, Muslims, etc. Not valid. Also, Zeus, Athena, Ares, etc. were completely different gods. Exasperated entities. Not one "God". God/Goddesses.
Point Number 8: Allah. The Qur'an asserts the existence of a single and absolute truth that transcends the world, and unique and invisible being (sounds a whole lot like a god) who is independent of all creation. In other words, outside the universe.
Point Number 9: All other religions copy Christian doctrine? First of all, atheism has no part of Christian doctrine in it. And according to the poster of the 10 points, Rome was atheist. This implies that it was atheist before Christianity was accepted as the original religion by (I believe) Constantine. Also, I believe that other people have said that Ancient Greece was atheist. If so (and you people said it), atheism is older than Christianity.
Point Number 10: Actually, you are wrong. In Islam (and I quote from http://www.sultan.org/articles/god.html) "The Creator must be of a different nature from the things created because if He is of the same nature as they are, He will be temporal and will therefore need a maker. It follows that nothing is like Him. If the maker is not temporal, then he must be eternal. But if he is eternal, he cannot be caused, and if nothing caused Him to come into existence, nothing outside Him causes Him to continue to exist, which means that he must be self-sufficient. And if He does not depend on anything for the continuance of His own existence, then this existence can have no end. The Creator is therefore eternal and everlasting: 'He is the First and the Last'." Also, Akhenaten changed the Egyptian religion to the worship of Aten, the sun disk. Aten was everlasting an eternal in that new form of religion. Obviously, this is long before Christianity, so you cannot even claim that the Egyptians copied Christianity.
In response to the original posters points....
Point Number 1: Actually, we do have mercy and pity for others. And I believe the Original Posters facts are a little incorrect. The Spanish Inquisition (also called The Tribunal of the Holy Office of the Inquisition) was a tribunal set up by Christian Monarchs (not atheists) Ferdinand II of Aragon and Isabella I of Castile. I believe that these were the same monarchs that funded Christopher Columbus's expeditions. Also, Adolf Hitler (leader of the Nazi party) advocated positive Christianity (a militant, non-denominational form of Christianity that emphasizes Christ as an active preacher, organizer, and fighter who opposed the institutionalized Judaism of the day.
Point Number 2: Actually, no. Natural Disasters are not just random events. Take for example the Japan tsunami. It was caused by an earthquake, which was caused by a buildup of pressure along a tectonic faultline. I am not a geologist, so that is about the limit of what I can explain. For a more detailed explanation, you might want to refer to here: http://www.soest.hawaii.edu/GG/ASK/earthquakes.html
Point Number 3 (oh wait, it says 4): If you go by the taxonomic definition, no, there is no difference. But, If you go by the difference between Homo sapiens sapiens and what you people call animals, there is a major difference. We are capable of more higher level functions (such as emotion) than what we call animals. About how animals are tools for humans to use as they see fit, what happened to all animals are God's creatures? Look at these quotes: "Look at the birds flying around . . . your Father in Heaven takes care of them" Matthew 6:26, "All the animals in the forest are Mine and the cattle on thousands of hills. All the wild birds are Mine and all living things in the fields." Psalm 50:10, 11, "Wolves and sheep will live together in peace, and leopards will lie down with young goats, calves and lion cubs will feed together, and little children will take care of them. Cows and bears will eat together, and their calves and cubs will lie down in peace. Lions will eat straw as cattle do . . . The land will be as full of knowledge of the Lord as the seas are full of water." Isaiah 11:6-9. All of these quotes show that animals are God's creatures (according to the Bible).
Point Number 5 (by the number it gives in the post): Really? Because Muslims might say that only the Qur'an gives objective standards of good and evil. If you look at my post, you will see that none of those can be used by an other religion.
Point Number 6: Really? You have no reason for feeling pity for another living thing either. You can justify the killing of a "sinner" by saying that he/she deserved to die, or that they will rot in hell for all eternity.
Point Number 7: There have never been any other gods but God? This argument can be used by Hindus, Muslims, etc. Not valid. Also, Zeus, Athena, Ares, etc. were completely different gods. Exasperated entities. Not one "God". God/Goddesses.
Point Number 8: Allah. The Qur'an asserts the existence of a single and absolute truth that transcends the world, and unique and invisible being (sounds a whole lot like a god) who is independent of all creation. In other words, outside the universe.
Point Number 9: All other religions copy Christian doctrine? First of all, atheism has no part of Christian doctrine in it. And according to the poster of the 10 points, Rome was atheist. This implies that it was atheist before Christianity was accepted as the original religion by (I believe) Constantine. Also, I believe that other people have said that Ancient Greece was atheist. If so (and you people said it), atheism is older than Christianity.
Point Number 10: Actually, you are wrong. In Islam (and I quote from http://www.sultan.org/articles/god.html) "The Creator must be of a different nature from the things created because if He is of the same nature as they are, He will be temporal and will therefore need a maker. It follows that nothing is like Him. If the maker is not temporal, then he must be eternal. But if he is eternal, he cannot be caused, and if nothing caused Him to come into existence, nothing outside Him causes Him to continue to exist, which means that he must be self-sufficient. And if He does not depend on anything for the continuance of His own existence, then this existence can have no end. The Creator is therefore eternal and everlasting: 'He is the First and the Last'." Also, Akhenaten changed the Egyptian religion to the worship of Aten, the sun disk. Aten was everlasting an eternal in that new form of religion. Obviously, this is long before Christianity, so you cannot even claim that the Egyptians copied Christianity.
May the force be with you all.
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