[Billy Bob Jenkins]

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I believe in God, yet I see numerous holes in the logic of ANY religion.

Why do you believe in God if every religion is wrong? Why are you so special?

[Didymus Much]

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...I believe in God.

Why? What evidence do you rely on for your belief?

...yet I see numerous holes in the logic of ANY religion

Does that include your own?

[Matthew Hopkins]

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I really love the above post. Where is the proof of your god? Please, say the Bible. Go to a library and ask where the bible is. Non-fiction or fiction section then come back and tell me.

Maybe in Japan you would find it in the laundry section. But we don't need to visit libraries to read His word; we actually bothered to buy the Holy Bible, and I didn't find it in the "fiction" section of the Christian bookshop.

A quick point. The bible is a book. God exists. Harry Potter is a book. Therefore Harry Potter must exist.
I believe in God, yet I see numerous holes in the logic of ANY religion.

A quick point: don't try to use logic, as you clearly don't understand the first thing about it. In other words, just because all salmon are fish, it does not follow that all fish are salmon. Leave your fallacious reasoning at the door, along with your inverted cross and homosexual literature.

YBIC

[Dr Laurence Niles]

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A quick point. The bible is a book. God exists. Harry Potter is a book. Therefore Harry Potter must exist.
I believe in God, yet I see numerous holes in the logic of ANY religion.

Harry Potter has a disclaimer at the start to say it is a work of fiction.

Does the Bible? Checkmate, atheist.

YIC

[ATHEIST_SCUM]

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The following ten points absolutely destroy Atheism.

#1 Atheists have no mercy or pity for others.
Time and time again history as shown with the Nazis, the Communists, the New Deal, the Spanish Inquisition that atheists will behave in a cruel and callous manner towards thier fellow man.

I was brought up a christian but began questioning god after reading history. Christians are cruel and christian cruelty is what made me an atheist.

#2 To an Atheist a natural disaster is just a random event
Only a Christian can understand that when a building collapses in an earthquake that is the hand of God slaying sinners. Atheists are willfully blind to the unconditional tough love of God for His creation. In short Atheists lack pity for those who are killed in these disasters.

I pity them 10 times more than you. You rejoice that your god killed some sinners. I grieve. For atheists it's a senseless tragedy and an unrecoverable loss.

#4To an atheists there is no difference between an animal and a human
To an Atheist A pig or a human, an ape or a human, what is the difference? For Atheists they are all products of random chance. If Atheists were true to their beliefs they would be running around naked and tossing feces at each other and eating other people. They lack the compassion for their fellow man to realize animals are just tools placed here for us to use as we see fit.

Noam Chomsky showed us that ethics are hard wired into our brains. We are a social animal and to live in groups there must be trust, therefore man has evolved to be intrinsically ethical and we don't eat each other.

Atheists take better care of our resources than christians. Christians think the world is gonna end any minute so there is no need to be good stewards of their god's gifts. Like the guy at work who leaves the tools outside to rust so the next guy has to clean up after them, or the crappy roommate who never does the dishes.

#5 Only biblical faith offers objective standards of good and evil.
One just has to look at atheists societies like ancient Rome to see they had completely different morality than the Christian society of the West now. Rome lived by a philosophy of might makes right that gave Rome the moral superiority to invade their neighbors. Contrast that with America's war of liberation in Iraq and Mexico in 1848. Christians have the morality to know when their neighbors are evil and need to be destroyed.

Religion is the tool despots use to overcome our natural respect for each other. Religion divides us and creates the hatred that governments can use to get us to kill each other.

#6 Atheists have no reason to feel pity for anyone or anything.
Sure Atheists may feel pity in their hearts of hearts but philosophically they have no reason to. Carving another human being up to them is just like carving a pig.

Science shows that man has evolved to be intrinsically ethical.

#7 Throughout human history there have never been any other gods but God.
God is the only God humanity ever had. Sure various confused pagans called God by different names like Thor, Zeus, Angra Mainyu and Kali but that has always been God. The past was not atheists, it Was Christian.

Atheists don't believe in gods. Point #7 is irreverent and utterly fails to CRUSH atheism.

#8 There were false gods, but they were false because they exist within the Universe, not outside it.
No atheist can show us a false god who existed outside the universe so case closed.

Atheists don't believe in gods, not even gods outside the universe. Point #8 is irreverent and utterly fails to CRUSH atheism.

#9 Any religion younger than Christianity is just a copy of Christianity.
Since Christianity is the Gold standard of morality all other religions just copy Christian doctrine like Islam. Atheism is younger than Christianity therefor Atheism is a mockery of Christianity.

True, atheists occasionally mock christianity. But even so Point #9 is irreverent and utterly fails to CRUSH atheism.

#10 Only Christianity has ever had the idea of an eternal, infinite creator God.
No one, not the Egyptians, the Meso-Americans or even the Sumerians has a infinite God. Even Atheism doesn't have an infinite creator God.

Atheists don't believe in gods, not even eternal, infinite creator gods. Point #10 is irreverent and utterly fails CRUSH atheism.


I await your rebuttals to my points Atheists.

[Basilissa]

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>>>improperly cited Bobby-Joe's post<<<

You seem to have a lot to say, dear, why don't you go to the introduction forum, create an introduction thread and yes, introduce yourself. Please do follow the directions listed on the top of that page.

[A Follower]

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nonsense

Well, most of your points are based on ignorance, which is obviously caused by your lack of belief on God. But I must concede, some of your points are also based on a lack of logical thought, so I guess you have that going for you, the other heathens at your atheist church must be very proud of you, making so many empty claims is quite an achievement.

I will rebut a few of your points just because it's so easy:
You make the claim that humans are intrinsically ethical, but you haven't considered what that means.

1. If humans were intrinsically ethical that would mean they wouldn't be able to do wrong to others. Reality doesn't agree with you;
2. To be ethical you would need to know everything another thinks and feels, as humans cannot read minds we cannot know if our actions will hurt others, so we cannot be ethical;
3. You claim this idea was invented by Choam Nomsky, some kid named after an intrinsically evil corporation from a made up science fiction book, there is no reason to believe anything this guy says, he could well (and is actually proven to) be lying.

So reality and logic disagree with you and your unverified and untrusted source.

Now let us look at the facts:

1. God can read minds of all people at the same time, and so know what would hurt people;
2. The Holy Ghost actually lives inside each True Christian from the moment he accepts Jesus, so He can direct us as He wishes;
3. God has also written the Bible to explain how people should live so we can verify that everything we do is ethically correct as per God's requirements;
4. People who have two independent sources of ethical knowledge can act ethically while those who don't accept Jesus or God cannot know what ethics are;
5. True Christians behave ethically towards those who deserve to be treated so all the time;
6. All non-christians commit evil acts beyond describing.

As you can see from the facts all the points where you made this argument have been soundly trashed.

[Mary Etheldreda]

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As you can see from the facts all the points where you made this argument have been soundly trashed.

Brother, this is a comprehensive and most charitable correction to such an awkward complaint from an ignorant, and clearly angry, heathen. Once again the power and might of the LORD's Word shines through this otherwise dark and wicked world.

[worthlessdavid]

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The following ten points absolutely destroy Atheism.

#1 Atheists have no mercy or pity for others.
Time and time again history as shown with the Nazis, the Communists, the New Deal, the Spanish Inquisition that atheists will behave in a cruel and callous manner towards thier fellow man.

#2 To an Atheist a natural disaster is just a random event
Only a Christian can understand that when a building collapses in an earthquake that is the hand of God slaying sinners. Atheists are willfully blind to the unconditional tough love of God for His creation. In short Atheists lack pity for those who are killed in these disasters.

#4To an atheists there is no difference between an animal and a human
To an Atheist A pig or a human, an ape or a human, what is the difference? For Atheists they are all products of random chance. If Atheists were true to their beliefs they would be running around naked and tossing feces at each other and eating other people. They lack the compassion for their fellow man to realize animals are just tools placed here for us to use as we see fit.

#5 Only biblical faith offers objective standards of good and evil.
One just has to look at atheists societies like ancient Rome to see they had completely different morality than the Christian society of the West now. Rome lived by a philosophy of might makes right that gave Rome the moral superiority to invade their neighbors. Contrast that with America's war of liberation in Iraq and Mexico in 1848. Christians have the morality to know when their neighbors are evil and need to be destroyed.

#6 Atheists have no reason to feel pity for anyone or anything.
Sure Atheists may feel pity in their hearts of hearts but philosophically they have no reason to. Carving another human being up to them is just like carving a pig.

#7 Throughout human history there have never been any other gods but God.
God is the only God humanity ever had. Sure various confused pagans called God by different names like Thor, Zeus, Angra Mainyu and Kali but that has always been God. The past was not atheists, it Was Christian.

#8 There were false gods, but they were false because they exist within the Universe, not outside it.
No atheist can show us a false god who existed outside the universe so case closed.

#9 Any religion younger than Christianity is just a copy of Christianity.
Since Christianity is the Gold standard of morality all other religions just copy Christian doctrine like Islam. Atheism is younger than Christianity therefor Atheism is a mockery of Christianity.

#10 Only Christianity has ever had the idea of an eternal, infinite creator God.
No one, not the Egyptians, the Meso-Americans or even the Sumerians has a infinite God. Even Atheism doesn't have an infinite creator God.

I await your rebuttals to my points Atheists.

One more that does, the beginning of everything, they can't answer how everything began without putting a impossibility in it.

[Zechariah Smyth]

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One more that does, the beginning of everything, they can't answer how everything began without putting a impossibility in it.

Oh, like how so-called "scientists" believe that a little ball of matter exploded billions of years ago and then all of the parts reassembled themselves in to planets and humans and cars?

[Jason the drunk mick]

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Oh, like how so-called "scientists" believe that a little ball of matter exploded billions of years ago and then all of the parts reassembled themselves in to planets and humans and cars?

Well at first no there was only one basic type of atom then it changed and made more then they combined to make different types then EVENTUALY the particals made up the planets people and cars

[Mark L. Snyde, PhD]

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Well at first no there was only one basic type of atom then it changed and made more then they combined to make different types then EVENTUALY the particals made up the planets people and cars

So, atoms just somehow become other atoms and then go from disorder to order? Your grasp of God's laws of physics is staggering.

If you want to learn physics, begin with The Bible.

[ATHEIST_SCUM]

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[list=a][*]If humans were intrinsically ethical that would mean they wouldn't be able to do wrong to others. Reality doesn't agree with you;

The reality is that most humans are ethical or they wouldn't have any friends and instead of having drinks with their mates Sunday afternoons at the pub they would have to go to church and pretend their imaginary friend likes them.
[*]To be ethical you would need to know everything another thinks and feels, as humans cannot read minds we cannot know if our actions will hurt others, so we cannot be ethical;

We're all doing the best we can that's all you can really ask.
[*]You claim this idea was invented by Noam Chomsky, some kid named after an intrinsically evil corporation from a made up science fiction book, there is no reason to believe anything this guy says, he could well (and is actually proven to) be lying;

Merely your opinion, and like assholes everyone has got one. Here is mine, Noam Chomsky is an accomplished and brilliant scientist and an awesome human being.



Now let us look at the facts:[list=a][*]God can read minds of all people at the same time, and so know what would hurt people;

God is a myth.
[*]The Holy Ghost actually lives inside each True Christian from the moment he accepts Jesus, so He can direct us as He wishes;

Bacteria live in our guts and aid in digestion but the Holy Ghost is a myth.
[*]God has also written the Bible to explain how people should live so we can verify that everything we do is ethically correct as per God's requirements;

Man wrote the bible and it isn't very interesting to read.
[*]People who have two independent sources of ethical knowledge can act ethically while those who don't accept Jesus or God cannot know what ethics are;

Ethics is based on empathy and even rats have been shown to have it. Mind reading would be better as you pointed out but empathy is all we've got. Religion is one of the ways leaders bypass empathy to convince christians that horrible things like burning people alive is doing good.
[*]True Christians behave ethically towards those who deserve to be treated so all the time;

Judge not lest ye be judged
[*]All non-christians commit evil acts beyond describing.

By that I assume you mean anal sex.

[Mark L. Snyde, PhD]

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How are we supposed to take you seriously, when even the simple task of using vBulletin thwarts you?

Please take some time to familiarize yourself with how the forum software works before attempting to express yourself.

[Basilissa]

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How are we supposed to take you seriously, when even the simple task of using vBulletin thwarts you?

Please take some time to familiarize yourself with how the forum software works before attempting to express yourself.

I was thinking the same thing, Brother. How am I supposed to properly rebuke this lost, confused soul, when I don't know when he's writing what he thinks and when he's citing a Godly opinion he disagrees with?