[Didymus Much]

Re: Pat Robertson: The Earth is more than 6000 years old!

...I think the concept of evolution, under our Lord's watchful eye, is a very real possibility...

So you think that a being powerful enough to create the universe and everything in it, is incapable of clearly communicating His wishes?

How does that work?

[Pim Pendergast]

Re: Pat Robertson: The Earth is more than 6000 years old!

I consider myself a Christian, and I do believe our Lord created the earth and heavens, but I created an account on this forum because frankly, I'm getting a little tired of my fellow worshippers who feel so arrogant as to declare something as "absolute truth" because a book and Sunday services tell them as such.

I choose to worship our Lord the way that seems logical. Our "interpretations" of the Bible can very well be askewed from what really may be real. For all we know, God created us in image, but only after intense experimenting over millions of years. After all, as most Christians can agree, he has been around since eternity.

I think the concept of evolution, under our Lord's watchful eye, is a very real possibility. But I don't know for certain, and I won't judge others (or feverishly inform them that God will judge them) for believing otherwise.

Brian, you consider yourself a Christian yet you criticise those who believe the absolute truth of the Bible. God's Word is truth (Jn 17:17). And why do you worship God in a way that seems logical to you?

Jn 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

God wants His people to worship Him in spirit and in truth. There is no mention of logic.

It seems to me that you are someone who is trying to have the best of both worlds. You believe God created the heavens and the earth but that He used evolution. But if the Bible isn't God's Word and it isn't 100% infallible, what use is it? And if you don't believe the Bible, then why do you consider yourself a Christian? If you take away the Bible and Sunday services from Christianity, then what's left is not Christianity. Clearly, you have decided that science and your own feelings are the ultimate rule of faith and practice. That makes you no different from any other unbeliever.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Pat Robertson: The Earth is more than 6000 years old!

I'd assume from piles upon piles of fossil evidence and carbon dating.

Hi, and welcome to our friendly forums! I understand you are a geologist? What a fascinating study. How long did you attend graduate school for your degree? What was your Ph.D research?

I consider myself a Christian, and I do believe our Lord created the earth and heavens, but I created an account on this forum because frankly, I'm getting a little tired of my fellow worshippers who feel so arrogant as to declare something as "absolute truth" because a book and Sunday services tell them as such.

"A book"? Friend, I wonder if you quite comprehend the Awe that is the Holy Bible. You see, long before man was as knowledgeable about the world as he is today, the Good LORD inspired Moses and a few others to write all kinds of Truths down. Can you imagine these men, writing the words that came to their heads, or perhaps they heard them audibly, they certainly couldn't have understood what they were writing, but in faith, write they did. They wrote about things that later scientists like yourself would discover to be true! Things like:

Both man and woman possess the seed of life (Genesis 3:15; proven in the 17th Century)
There is a place void of stars in the North (Job 26:7; proven in the 19th Century)
Matter is made up of invisible particles (Romans 1:20; proven in the 20th Century)

Can you imagine a text that is the actual spoken (well, written down now) Word of God is just "a book"? You make it sound almost like any old mythology, recorded and used later by the community of believers, now taking on a roll never imagined by the original community.

I choose to worship our Lord the way that seems logical.

Well that's your problem! The faith isn't logical! In fact, in many instances, it defies logic. Why, it's not "logical" to believe the mind, a single word intended to comprehend the complexity of consciousness, self-awareness, and higher order thinking, could maintain its quality after death, when blood no longer feeds oxygen rich cells to the neurons necessary for making these connections we call "the mind" and exist in an alternate plane until our physical bodies, long after decay and cellular breakdown, are restored to an immortal condition on earth (1 Corinthians 15:52). That's not logical to think that is a possibility at all!

But it is faithful to believe it.

Our "interpretations" of the Bible can very well be askewed from what really may be real. For all we know, God created us in image, but only after intense experimenting over millions of years. After all, as most Christians can agree, he has been around since eternity.

Wrong again. Some Christians believe the correct translation of the first words of Genesis as "In the beginning, God separated the Heavens from the earth," suggesting God didn't create the Heavens and the earth at all, but took what was already there and rearranged it. This raises the logical () question, if Yahweh didn't create the universe, who did? And how long before Yahweh came onto the scene anyway?

I think the concept of evolution, under our Lord's watchful eye, is a very real possibility. But I don't know for certain, and I won't judge others (or feverishly inform them that God will judge them) for believing otherwise.

Interestingly, for one who likes to think logically, you haven't quite figured out that believing in evolution requires one to ultimately disbelieve the Word of God. Evolution explains the diversity on planet earth without any room for a Creator. It's silly to believe the laws of nature, such as an evolutionist would believe, would suddenly change after the formation of earth. The very laws of nature that inspired life to evolve would be the very laws of nature that inspired life to begin. Of course an evolutionist would know that "life" doesn't count only for multi-cellular organisms. The concept of "life," for an evolutionist that is, is quite complex, leaving much room for discussion (such as, are viruses alive if they don't contain the same properties as plant or animal or fungi life, but behave in much the same way?).

Because after all, isn't this America? Where our citizens are free to believe whatever they want to believe, as long as it does not interfere with the workings of the state?

Dear, did you think that Jesus' temporary sacrifice was valid for anyone who kind of believes some of the faith, so long as it doesn't interfere with logical thinking?

Let us not judge our fellow man for simply going off on a limb and seeking other possibilities of our origins.

Free of judgement upon those who do not judge,
my name is Brian,
and I appreciate the opportunity to speak my mind.

Brian, dear, this isn't a literary forum where people share whatever poetic version of "truth" happens to make them feel warm and fuzzy. This is a church forum, this is where people come to worship and praise the Sweet Redeemer, Christ Jesus, whether or not you personally believe it. Your mind not only does not compare to the mind of God, it is full of logical fallacies and half-thought out ideas. The judgment (which, by the way, we are compelled by the LORD to do; 1st Corinthians 5:12-13), helps you see the sinful lies of these ideas that have duped you into thinking you can be a Christian and believe in evolution. Please dear, before it's too late, repent, ask Jesus into your heart, and believe in Him!

[dr wayne kerr]

Re: Pat Robertson: The Earth is more than 6000 years old!

I'd assume from piles upon piles of fossil evidence and carbon dating.

I consider myself a Christian, and I do believe our Lord created the earth and heavens, but I created an account on this forum because frankly, I'm getting a little tired of my fellow worshippers who feel so arrogant as to declare something as "absolute truth" because a book and Sunday services tell them as such.

I choose to worship our Lord the way that seems logical. Our "interpretations" of the Bible can very well be askewed from what really may be real. For all we know, God created us in image, but only after intense experimenting over millions of years. After all, as most Christians can agree, he has been around since eternity.

I think the concept of evolution, under our Lord's watchful eye, is a very real possibility. But I don't know for certain, and I won't judge others (or feverishly inform them that God will judge them) for believing otherwise.

Because after all, isn't this America? Where our citizens are free to believe whatever they want to believe, as long as it does not interfere with the workings of the state? Let us not judge our fellow man for simply going off on a limb and seeking other possibilities of our origins.

Free of judgement upon those who do not judge,
my name is Brian,
and I appreciate the opportunity to speak my mind.

ooooh Lord,

I need to pray for the strength to be calm on this.

i will make this simple
GOD does NOT experiment, that would mean that mistakes could be made and adjustments needed.

the discovering of radiation used for carbon dating was introduced by a Slavic Russian Witch named Marie Curie who discovered (along with her husband Pierre and Gustave Bemont) the element radium in 1898.

looks like the commi's didnt clean their house fully.

next you will be saying that gravity formed the earth and the moon was another planetoid that collided and put the earth on a tilt and sent it spinning.

heres the truth, no need to get a Ph.D
no arrogance needed, its for all to read

Genesis 1


1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.


2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.


3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.


4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.


5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.


6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.


7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.


8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.


9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.


10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.


11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.


12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.


13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.


14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:


15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.


16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.


17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,


18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.


19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.


20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.


21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.


22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.


23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.


24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.


25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.


26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.


27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.


28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.


29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.


30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.


31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.


nuff said

[Rev. Jamar D. Dodson]

Re: Pat Robertson: The Earth is more than 6000 years old!

I'd assume from piles upon piles of fossil evidence and carbon dating.

I consider myself a Christian, and I do believe our Lord created the earth and heavens, but I created an account on this forum because frankly, I'm getting a little tired of my fellow worshippers who feel so arrogant as to declare something as "absolute truth" because a book and Sunday services tell them as such.

Let me get this straight.

The Holy Bible is just "some book", yet it is from this Book that you establish a belief in the God of Israel. The way I see it you take what you want, ignore what is inconvenient and make up things you personally feel are missing.

I choose to worship our Lord the way that seems logical. Our "interpretations" of the Bible can very well be askewed from what really may be real. For all we know, God created us in image, but only after intense experimenting over millions of years. After all, as most Christians can agree,he has been around since eternity.

Where have I heard this before?

Oh, right. The Holy Bible speaks about people like you.

"And it come to pass, when he heareth the words of this curse, that he bless himself in his heart, saying, I shall have peace, though I walk in the imagination of mine heart, to add drunkenness to thirst: The LORD will not spare him, but then the anger of the LORD and his jealousy shall smoke against that man, and all the curses that are written in this book shall lie upon him, and the LORD shall blot out his name from under heaven." -- Deuteronomy 29:19-20

You dare to tempt God's wrath? Are you even aware of the curses eluded to in that passage? I hope you don't have a fiancee because she is going to get raped. I hope you don't have children. You'll end up eating them. You'll have hemorrhoids, scurvy, the itch, ulcers, boils, tumors, madness, blindness, confusion, consumption, fever, rash, drought, blight, and mildew. Wild animals will attack you on sight. And when you die the beasts will devour you. It's all in Deuteronomy.

And this whole "God is an inepted baffoon taking millions of years to get creation right" is just plain blasphemous!!! Sir, I find your remarks highly offensive.

I think the concept of evolution, under our Lord's watchful eye, is a very real possibility. But I don't know for certain, and I won't judge others (or feverishly inform them that God will judge them) for believing otherwise.

At no point is it ever even so much as hinted that evolution took place. There is no allegory, metaphor nor literal wording that can be reconciled with evolution.

You "walk in the imagination of your heart". You have no faith in God, but have more than enough blind faith in secular scientist who weren't there at the dawn of creation.

"No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God andmammon." -- Matthew 6:24

It either GOD, His Bible and Salvation or Atheism, evolution and DAMNATION

Because after all, isn't this America? Where our citizens are free to believe whatever they want to believe, as long as it does not interfere with the workings of the state? Let us not judge our fellow man for simply going off on a limb and seeking other possibilities of our origins.

We are commanded to judge!!!

"Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour" -- Leviticus 19:15

I judge you to be a hypocrite destined for the Fires of Hell everlasting. I am 100% certain that Jesus will condemn you. You can wait and see or turn your life around and be Saved®.

[BaronOB]

Re: Pat Robertson: The Earth is more than 6000 years old!

Now, he is saying the earth is more than 6,000 years old. False, Pat. Don't be so sure you are headed for heaven:

I believe only the Bible, Pat is wrong.

[RealNutjob666XD]

Re: Pat Robertson: The Earth is more than 6000 years old!

Yet you blindly believe "scientists" who tell you the Earth is 3.4 billion () years old.

Who's gullible now?

Also: you have been asked nicely a couple of times to make a thread of your own in the Introduction Forum. Tell us what church you go to, what your favorite Bible verse is, and how you came to find Jesus.

YiC,

Zech

i do not believe anything, but i also believe in everything. there is turth in everything and there are lie in there too. i do not believe scientists and i do not believe that the earth is only 4000 years. and i am not gullibleing, i was banned for a few days and then got busy with christmas and the family. i'm sorry for not replying sooner.

and as i write this reply, i am also writing my introduction forum. it will only be a little longer.

[Pastor Ed Lowman]

Re: Pat Robertson: The Earth is more than 6000 years old!

I'd assume from piles upon piles of fossil evidence and carbon dating.

What? Nonsense. And carbon dating only goes back a few thousand years, even if granted you anything (which I don't).

I consider myself a Christian, and I do believe our Lord created the earth and heavens, but I created an account on this forum because frankly, I'm getting a little tired of my fellow worshippers who feel so arrogant as to declare something as "absolute truth" because a book and Sunday services tell them as such.

You are tired of the arrogance of Bible believers actually believing in the things written in the Bible, like the creation?

"From the beginning of the creation, God made them male and female." (Mark 10:6)

Wow.

I choose to worship our Lord the way that seems logical. Our "interpretations" of the Bible can very well be askewed from what really may be real. For all we know, God created us in image, but only after intense experimenting over millions of years. After all, as most Christians can agree, he has been around since eternity.

So, in other words, you worship only what you can understand and makes sense to you? Well, then, forget God since he is omniscient.

I think the concept of evolution, under our Lord's watchful eye, is a very real possibility. But I don't know for certain, and I won't judge others (or feverishly inform them that God will judge them) for believing otherwise.

This is the stupidest thing I've heard all day! God doesn't need to try things to see if things work out. He already knew before He created us that we'd be praising Him in suits and ties and shaking hands long before the first molecule of the universe was laid down. You humanistic liberal "believers" really have a way of shorting God His glory, I'll tell you that.

Free of judgement upon those who do not judge,
my name is Brian,
and I appreciate the opportunity to speak my mind.

Hah! More like free of salvation!

Enjoy the burning.

Pastor Ed

[Johny Joe Hold]

Re: Pat Robertson: The Earth is more than 6000 years old!

Excellent post, Pastor Ed. It is perplexing how folks post religious views here that are directly counter to what the Bible says.

It would be so easy to simply look it up, as you do.

Having said that, we at Landover Baptist, and I can speak for the citizens of Freehold, are always glad to have visitors. Within every sinning visitor is the opportunity to save a soul for Jesus.

[Father Maurice Lester]

Re: Pat Robertson: The Earth is more than 6000 years old!

It is great to see a grizzled old dim-bulb like Pat finally starting to get the memo as it were... makes me feel my time spent trying to bring the light of knowledge and scripture to the illiterate and simple masses finally paying off.

As folks like Pat get closer and closer to meeting their maker, who, as well all know speaks directly to the Pope as needed, they tend to see the massive error of their ways and begin to realise the truths of this world... truths we can recognise if we use our God-given brains.

Let this be a lesson to the rest of your tractor and trailer-park crowd.




Bless you, my peristeronic politico,
Father Mo




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[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Pat Robertson: The Earth is more than 6000 years old!

...and begin to realise the truths of this world... truths we can recognise if we use our God-given brains..

You mean like Limbo and Purgatory being figments of the Catholic church's imagination for the last thousand or so years?

[Bort the simpleton]

Re: Pat Robertson: The Earth is more than 6000 years old!

The Bible provides a complete genealogy from Adam to Jesus. You can go through the genealogies and add up the years. You'll get a total that is just over 4,000 years. Add the 2,000 years since the time of Jesus and you get just over 6,000 years since God created everything.

Is there anything wrong with figuring out the age of the earth this way? No. There is nothing to indicate the genealogies are incomplete. There is nothing to indicate God left anything out. There is nothing in the Bible that indicates in any way that the world is much older than 6,000 years old.

You should try reading it, my friend.

In Christ

Forgive me for being naieve but does that mean adam and eves children slept together? I'm no ultra christian here but that sounds a bit un-nerving

[Bort the simpleton]

Re: Pat Robertson: The Earth is more than 6000 years old!

God didn't create it all? Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the Heaven, and the Earth."

Adam, and eve aren't the first people? Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in his own Image, in the Image of God created he him; male and female created he them."
Genesis 1:28 "And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it, and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the foul of the air, and over euery living thing that mooveth upon the earth."

Big Bang Theory Disproven. Eveloutilin Disproven.

Disproven by a fairytale written and rewritten over a thousand years?
thats blind faith for ya

[Johny Joe Hold]

Re: Pat Robertson: The Earth is more than 6000 years old!

Disproven by a fairytale written and rewritten over a thousand years?
thats blind faith for ya

Burp--The Bible is the literal truth, not a fairy tale. Further, if you cannot find it in your heart to believe, a miserable eternity awaits you.

The time for you to find Jesus is now.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Pat Robertson: The Earth is more than 6000 years old!

Disproven by a fairytale written and rewritten over a thousand years?
thats blind faith for ya

Dear Godmocking Whore;

Thank you for taking the time out of your busy schedule of worshiping satan and spreading your legs for anyone with a dollar to post this hateful message. The Holy Bible tells us that we are actually Blessed by your persecution! Thanks for proving that we're right.

Matthew 5:10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
5:12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

Enjoy hell. I know that Jesus and I can't wait to watch you burn in hell for all eternity. Oh, how we'll laugh at you as you scream in agony! Shout Glory!!

YIC,

--Pastor Ezekiel