[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: How NOT to Defend Your Faith

acoustic hallucinations

Friend, do you realize the implications of what you are saying? If acting on the voice of God is a sign of mental illness, then what does that say about great men like Abraham, who was perfectly willing to act on it in the blood sacrifice of his own son Isaac? It would be an absurdity to claim that morality is immorality and vice-versa.

You are just nuts. Like a coo-coo clock.

[krunsch]

Re: How NOT to Defend Your Faith

I did not call you Narcissist, try to keep up for once. Wikipedia claims that you have Narcissistic personality disorder. Big difference. Just again proves that last point of mine.

*Is totally oblivious to what is happening around him -check

Wikipedia does not claim anything, because after all it is an online encyclopedia, not a human being. Only humans can make claims. You pointed out, that I am narcissistic because in your opinion, the criteria for that are met. That is you calling me a narcissist. Plain and simple.

Friend, do you realize the implications of what you are saying? If acting on the voice of God is a sign of mental illness, then what does that say about great men like Abraham, who was perfectly willing to act on it in the blood sacrifice of his own son Isaac?

Funny thing that you mention that. In my opinion there are two possibilities

• he really thinks he heard the voice of god, who told him to kill his only son. In that case, today, he would watched by some kind of professional, who would decide wether he was sane. If he was sane enough, he would go to jail, otherwise he would be put into therapy in a place where the public would still be protected in case he decided that god told him to kill all other people out there to. Both are justified.
• he does it because he hates his son (even though not openly). In that case he's a twisted f u c k, who belongs into prison, depending on where he lived, he would probably be sentenced to death. I am not in favor of the death penalty, in my opinion, a lifelong prison sentence would be enough, which is what he would end up with here

[Basilissa]

Re: How NOT to Defend Your Faith

Wikipedia does not claim anything, because after all it is an online encyclopedia, not a human being. Only humans can make claims.

And who do you think creates Wikipedia? Aliens?

You pointed out, that I am narcissistic because in your opinion, the criteria for that are met. That is you calling me a narcissist. Plain and simple.

No, he just means that you meet the criteria for narcissism which were described by the authors of Wikipedia. If your grasp of American is so poor that you can't understand the meanings of simple utterances, you should stop trying to participate on this forum and take some language lessons instead.

[*]he really thinks he heard the voice of god, who told him to kill his only son. In that case, today, he would watched by some kind of professional, who would decide wether he was sane. If he was sane enough, he would go to jail, otherwise he would be put into therapy in a place where the public would still be protected in case he decided that god told him to kill all other people out there to. Both are justified.[*]he does it because he hates his son (even though not openly). In that case he's a twisted f u c k, who belongs into prison, depending on where he lived, he would probably be sentenced to death. I am not in favor of the death penalty, in my opinion, a lifelong prison sentence would be enough, which is what he would end up with here

Correct answer: a Godly man who hears the voice of does what tells him to do, even if that action breaks his heart and stands against his own moral values.

wins again!

[krunsch]

Re: How NOT to Defend Your Faith

And who do you think creates Wikipedia? Aliens?

So is your car. Does your car claim anything?

No, he just means that you meet the criteria for narcissism which were described by the authors of Wikipedia.

That's how he interprets my utterings on these forums. Yeah, I got that. On that basis he claims I am a narcissist. What's there to debate upon

If your grasp of American is so poor that you can't understand the meanings of simple utterances, you should stop trying to participate on this forum and take some language lessons instead.

My english is good enough, thanks. I truly don't understand the amount of fanatism and the indoctrination in these forums, but that has nothing to do with my language skills.

Correct answer: a Godly man who hears the voice of does what tells him to do, even if that action breaks his heart and stands against his own moral values.

wins again!

The point is his heart tells him to follow some voice that he thinks is god. His moral codex tells him to obey some ominous voice. And you know why? Because he is a weakling. He can't take over responsibility for his own deeds, for his own life. They need god to hide behind something because if he wasn't there, they couldn't cope with the horrible and damnable things they have done in their life.

[Basilissa]

Re: How NOT to Defend Your Faith

So is your car. Does your car claim anything?

My car is not built of encyclopaedic entries (as far as I know, because I have no idea what's going on under the hood).

That's how he interprets my utterings on these forums. Yeah, I got that. On that basis he claims I am a narcissist. What's there to debate upon

I'll assume that last part was a question. Here is my answer:
Nothing, I guess. Your personality simply seems to conform to these criteria.

My english is good enough, thanks. I truly don't understand the amount of fanatism and the indoctrination in these forums, but that has nothing to do with my language skills.

There's nothing to understand, dear. Just put "logical thinking" aside, follow 's will, and your reward will be in Heaven.

The point is his heart tells him to follow some voice that he thinks is god. His moral codex tells him to obey some ominous voice. And you know why? Because he is a weakling. He can't take over responsibility for his own deeds, for his own life. They need god to hide behind something because if he wasn't there, they couldn't cope with the horrible and damnable things they have done in their life.

What horrible things? Are you projecting some of your own experiences into a hypothetical human being that was created in our discussion?

[krunsch]

Re: How NOT to Defend Your Faith

There's nothing to understand, dear. Just put "logical thinking" aside, follow 's will, and your reward will be in Heaven.

I can't do that. It makes me who I am and msot of all, I don't want to. In my experience, if you do not think logically, don't tackle problems the rational way, they will stay and become worse.

What horrible things? Are you projecting some of your own experiences into a hypothetical human being that was created in our discussion?

Sure I've made mistakes in my life, some I consider very severe (and not being a christian is not one of them), but none as horrible as what Abraham was about to do to his son. In daily life, if people are friendly, I try to reciprocate, if not, I still try to get along with them on a professional level. Regardless of their faith, skin color or origin. I don't know how you people behave outside these forums, but judging from what you write here, I can't say the same thing about you, at least not about some of the more enthusiastic posters, who, as I got it, would wish eternal damnation on their closest family members if they aren't christian, which can be true for people here on the board. Being a good human being is not the same thing as as being a devout christian. The latter ones are definitely here, the former ones - well, I haven't seen a lot here. And even fewer are both.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: How NOT to Defend Your Faith

I don't know how you people behave outside these forums, but judging from what you write here, I can't say the same thing about you, at least not about some of the more enthusiastic posters, who, as I got it, would wish eternal damnation on their closest family members if they aren't christian, which can be true for people here on the board.

Friend, no True Christian(tm) would wish eternal damnation on anybody. We are merely required to rejoice in the Lord always, which means celebrating damnation when God does it despite our best efforts.

Why else would we have a forum like this, dedicated to instructing unsaved trash in the scriptures?

[Alphonse Alban]

Re: How NOT to Defend Your Faith

You pointed out, that I am narcissistic because in your opinion, the criteria for that are met. That is you calling me a narcissist. Plain and simple.

Damn, you are slow. Do you even understand the difference between narcissistic and narcissistic personality disorder? Plain and simple, I never called you narcissistic. Is it really this hard for you to understand what you read?

No wonder you don't understand the Bible.

[krunsch]

Re: How NOT to Defend Your Faith

Damn, you are slow. Do you even understand the difference between narcissistic and narcissistic personality disorder? Plain and simple, I never called you narcissistic. Is it really this hard for you to understand what you read?

No wonder you don't understand the Bible.

As stated repeatedly you pointed out that I meet the requirements for narcissistic personality disorder. At the same time you claim you never called me narcissistic? That would only be true if someone with a narcissistic personality disorder is not narcissistic.

Maybe you take a bit of time to organize your thoughts and then we can continue.

As for you, BillyBobJenkins:

I know that Jesus and I can't wait to watch you burn in hell for all eternity. Oh, how we'll laugh at you as you scream in agony!

That's from a private message I got. Sounds pretty definitive to me.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: How NOT to Defend Your Faith

That's from a private message I got. Sounds pretty definitive to me.

Like I said, friend. True Christians(tm) are called upon to rejoice in the Lord's perfect will always. So we rejoice in God's promise to burn people like you forever, despite our personal feelings, because we don't want to burn right along next to you. I'm sure you can understand that.

[krunsch]

Re: How NOT to Defend Your Faith

Like I said, friend. True Christians™ are called upon to rejoice in the Lord's perfect will always. So we rejoice in God's promise to burn people like you forever, despite our personal feelings, because we don't want to burn right along next to you. I'm sure you can understand that.

I can understand the sentiment behind it, but seriously - do you think, an almighty god won't see through this, will see what you really feel? And in that case, will he really accept something *** potty language removed *** like that?

[Alphonse Alban]

Re: How NOT to Defend Your Faith

At the same time you claim you never called me narcissistic?

As a loving and friendly Christian I always try to see good in people, but sometimes I have to admit my defeat. You really are not the sharpest knife in the drawer

I pray for you extra hard, you really need it.

[Thomas Taylor]

Re: How NOT to Defend Your Faith

I can understand the sentiment behind it, but seriously - do you think, an almighty god won't see through this, will see what you really feel? And in that case, will he really accept something *** potty language removed *** like that?

Well, Klaus.

Time after time I have tried to guide you to The Lord to help you discover the joy of feeling Him moving deep inside. Time and time again you have rejected my help and advice It would seem that due to your NPD this is not possible. Don't worry, I will continue to pray for you as you burn for all eternity for your sins.

But then again, sometimes only when you are truly broken can you come to find God.

Psalms 51:17

The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.

[krunsch]

Re: How NOT to Defend Your Faith

Well, Klaus.

Time after time I have tried to guide you to The Lord to help you discover the joy of feeling Him moving deep inside. Time and time again you have rejected my help and advice It would seem that due to your NPD this is not possible. Don't worry, I will continue to pray for you as you burn for all eternity for your sins.

But then again, sometimes only when you are truly broken can you come to find God.

Psalms 51:17

The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.

Could well be.

As the german poet Kurt Tucholsky once said:

Man has two legs and two beliefs: one when he's well and one when he's miserable. The latter one is called religion.

Just for the fun of it, I am going to share the rest too:

He's a vertebrate and has an immortal soul, as well as a home country, so he doesn't get cocky.

He's made in a natural way, which he perceives as unnatural and does not want to talk about. He's made, but not asked, wether he wants to be made.

Man is a useful being, because by dying a soldier's death, oil shares become more valuable, dying as a miner he raises the profit of the mine owner and there's culture, art and science. Besides procreating, eating and drinking, man is driven by two things: making a fuss and not listening. A being that does not listen could be the definition of man. If he's wise, that's the right thing to do, because he'll rarely hear something useful. That's what mankind likes to hear: Promises, flattery, acknowledgements and compliments. In case of flattery, it is most recommended to exceed the maximum tolerable degree at least three fold. Ma begrudges his own kind nothing, so he invented law. He's forbidden, so everybody else should be, too.

Man can be divided into two parts: a male, that does not want to think and a female one, that cannot think. Both have feelings, which can be pretty safely evoked if certain neural points are stimulated. Some humans produce lyrics under these circumstances.

Man eats plants as well as meat, on his way to the northpole even sometimes his own kind, but that is more than compensated by fascism.

Man is a political being, that loves to spend his life agglomerated. He hates all other agglomerations, because they are different, and he hates his own, because it is his own. This latter hatred is called patriotism. Every man has four organs: a liver, a spleen, a lung and a flag. There are probably men without a liver, without a melt or half a lung, but there is none without a flag.

Man likes to stimulate weak procreational drive, and he invented several ways to do that: bullfight, crime, sports and face care. There are no men that live together. There are only those that have control and those that follow. But as of yet no one controlled himself, because the opposing slave is always more powerful than the master. Mankind is inferior to itself.

If man feels he can't come up with his back, he refuses the sourgrapes of the world. This is called inner self communion. People of different age think of the others as a different species: old ones usually forget they were young once, or that they are old now, and the young ones forget that they may become old.

Man doesn't want to die, because he does not know what comes thereafter. If he thinks he knows it, he still doesn't want it because he likes to continue doing the old stuff a little while longer. A little while longer means eternally.

Otherwise man is lifeform that knocks, makes bad music and lets his dog bark. Incidentally he will be calm, but then he's dead.

Besides men there are also Saxons and Americans, but we didn't treat them yet and zoology is only taught next year.

[Thomas Taylor]

Re: How NOT to Defend Your Faith

.....................Lot's of stuff not in the Bible, KJV 1611................................

Ok, Alois, I am goig to try once again to give you some advice. Instead of quoting some neo-fascist pansy try picking up The Holy Bible. In it you will discover the True nature of both God and men (as God made them). I can assure you, once you have soaked up all the wonderfull knowledge contained therein, your outlook on life, the universe and everything will change.