[Deschamin]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist?

Secular statistics say that the overwhelming majority of rapes are by men the woman already knew, so-called date-rape. Thus, logic indicates that the woman has already shown interest in the man. It is not as though it is some stranger she didn't like.

Let us re-iterate. These are the victims:

1. The father: it is now much harder to find a man to marry her as he cannot prove her virginity. If he lies, he must pay 100 shekels. Instead, he receives 50 shekels.

2. The rapist: because of a single transgression, he may face decades of punishment, sodomy and be demonized as unhuman.

3. The woman: it is now much more difficult to find a man who will take her for she is defiled.

The Bible basically says what the most obvious solution is: they should get married. He takes responsibility, she enters a moral marriage and has no immoral baggage to carry.

I respectfully disagree. Here is the situation: A member of your congregation was raped, and no one but her (and the rapist) knows about it. The rest of the congregation, even her parents believe that she is still a virgin. Your ignorance to her rape causes you to treat her the way you should always have treated her; as a worthy candidate for marriage. Do you believe that this could not happen?

[Gabriel Reproba]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist?

This thread has inspired me to create a new thread explaining why we follwo God's law using stories that even some of you simpletons can understand. I suggest you read it before you make yet another "but but but ... he raped her!" comment.

Yes, he raped her. Yes, that is horrible. Yes, under secular law, he will go to jail like he you all say he should. We all agree on these points. We just happen to have read more of the Bible than John 3:16 and know that he should also be forced to marry the girl. What don't you understand?

So we shoudl all agree that the following comments are no longer valid in this threda:

1) "You guys condone rape." We don't we actually demand the death penalty for it, too.

2) "The rapist should be punished!" We agree.

3) "But the Bible says we should love one another." We love our fellow man so much that we want to make sure he knows EXACTLY what the Bible says.

Any further questions or can we get back to worshiping God now?

[Gabriel Reproba]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist?

I respectfully disagree. Here is the situation: A member of your congregation was raped, and no one but her (and the rapist) knows about it. The rest of the congregation, even her parents believe that she is still a virgin. Your ignorance to her rape causes you to treat her the way you should always have treated her; as a worthy candidate for marriage. Do you believe that this could not happen?

Until the wedding night when her husband (someone other than her rapist in your twisted world, I assume) discovers that she is not a true virgin. What cruelty to inflict on her suitor! We have already posted what the Bible says should happen to a girl who is discovered not to be a virgin on her wedding night. Have you read the thread?

[GOD=life]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist?

According to Jesus, the proper response would have been to tear out his own eye, not force himself upon her.

Please explain how you are not being hateful here?

Clearly, there can be a general rule and a specific rule for specific situations?

We cited Scripture to back up this position. You want to drive us away from God's word. Why is that? Are you a crypto-atheist?

[areyoukiddingme]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist?

1,500 posts, half are the same thing, like a record that skips on the very first track. Do these clowns actually think they are making a new comment?

It's amazing how insulting your church is.. I mean really. Calling people retards, telling them they're going to hell, calling the person who decided to sexually assault a girl the "Victim", judging everyone who disagrees with you.. I mean, wow. You guys are completely missing the point of the bible or what message God & Jesus were trying to bring to the world. Amazing that you guys call yourself followers of God.

1500 posts and half are the same thing? Uhh, yeah? Considering your belief system, you're going to get a whole lot more. Why? Because every single religious person believes in kindness, love, and acceptance from which, I see nothing of the sort from this supposed religion. All I see here are insults, more flaming than the original flamers (me, lol), and completely absurd remarks.

Westboro Baptist Church are probably right in everything they do, right? I mean, you guys appear to be preaching the same message although they're more vocal.

Even the emoticons on the side suggest violence and hate.

Yes you've heard this before.. And probably will always be subject to disagreements and more flames.. Why? Because you guys are so blinded by the actual message coming across that you've lost sight of the path.. Disagree or flame me, whatever.. I couldn't care. Mostly because I'm not here to judge nor are you. That's in God's hands. Furthermore, we'll see who's laughing when God judges you for your life.. And it's kind of sad too.. Because nothing we say or anyone says to you will make you see that you're wrong.. Even typing this out, I know you're just going to disagree and say something like, "You're going to hell", "Some random scripture taken out of context", "We know the path, its you who's wrong." blah blah. Regardless, I feel better now knowing that I can safely scratch your religion off my list as clearly *CLEARLY* it's not what God wants for me. And God knows best, right? I believe in God, absolutely. Not your God. You perceive your God differently than the way he was meant to be perceived.

God have mercy on your souls.... And let the sarcastic flames flood to prove my case even more.

[GOD=life]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist?

Your ignorance to her rape...

I will not remain ignorant of this fact for long once it turns out I am unable to prove her virginity. In fact, I will have to pay 100 shekels. This would be very upsetting to me.

[James Dewitt]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist?

I respectfully disagree. Here is the situation: A member of your congregation was raped, and no one but her (and the rapist) knows about it. The rest of the congregation, even her parents believe that she is still a virgin. Your ignorance to her rape causes you to treat her the way you should always have treated her; as a worthy candidate for marriage. Do you believe that this could not happen?

And what will happen on the night of the wedding? The man will find out she is not a virgin,embarrasing her father and costing him respect and money. It would be a sin for the soiled young lady to lie!

[James Dewitt]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist?

It's amazing how insulting your church is.. I mean really. Calling people retards, telling them they're going to hell, calling the person who decided to sexually assault a girl the "Victim", judging everyone who disagrees with you.. I mean, wow. You guys are completely missing the point of the bible or what message God & Jesus were trying to bring to the world. Amazing that you guys call yourself followers of God.

1500 posts and half are the same thing? Uhh, yeah? Considering your belief system, you're going to get a whole lot more. Why? Because every single religious person believes in kindness, love, and acceptance from which, I see nothing of the sort from this supposed religion. All I see here are insults, more flaming than the original flamers (me, lol), and completely absurd remarks.

Westboro Baptist Church are probably right in everything they do, right? I mean, you guys appear to be preaching the same message although they're more vocal.

Even the emoticons on the side suggest violence and hate.

Yes you've heard this before.. And probably will always be subject to disagreements and more flames.. Why? Because you guys are so blinded by the actual message coming across that you've lost sight of the path.. Disagree or flame me, whatever.. I couldn't care. Mostly because I'm not here to judge nor are you. That's in God's hands. Furthermore, we'll see who's laughing when God judges you for your life.. And it's kind of sad too.. Because nothing we say or anyone says to you will make you see that you're wrong.. Even typing this out, I know you're just going to disagree and say something like, "You're going to hell", "Some random scripture taken out of context", "We know the path, its you who's wrong." blah blah. Regardless, I feel better now knowing that I can safely scratch your religion off my list as clearly *CLEARLY* it's not what God wants for me. And God knows best, right? I believe in God, absolutely. Not your God. You perceive your God differently than the way he was meant to be perceived.

God have mercy on your souls.... And let the sarcastic flames flood to prove my case even more.

There is only one God, The God of True Christians.

[Psalm 51:10]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist?

Please explain how you are not being hateful here?

Clearly, there can be a general rule and a specific rule for specific situations?

We cited Scripture to back up this position. You want to drive us away from God's word. Why is that? Are you a crypto-atheist?

I am not being hateful because I never used any language which was angry or spiteful. Please explain how my use of a direct, literal quote of the words of Jesus Christ from the King James Version of Scripture makes you think I am driving you away from God's word.

[GOD=life]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist?

1500 posts and half are the same thing?

Yeah, because all the imbeciles come in here with preconceived notions screaming that the Bible condones rape when it does not.

Because you guys are so blinded by the actual message coming across...

The difference is that most of us have learned to read. Most Christians do not read the entire text of the Bible and simply dismiss the parts that are inconvenient to them.

Look at you blaming us with living by a passage of the Bible instead of using our own interpretation.
2 Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
2 Peter 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

YIC

[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist?

Because every single religious person believes in kindness, love, and acceptance

Atheists are murderous and have no morals, so you think they flew the planes into the World Trade Center on 9/11 and have committed every act of terrorism before then and after?
Hmmmm. I'll have to pray on this. I truly thought it was mudslimes that did it.

[areyoukiddingme]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist?

Yeah, because all the imbeciles come in here with preconceived notions screaming that the Bible condones rape when it does not.


The difference is that most of us have learned to read. Most Christians do not read the entire text of the Bible and simply dismiss the parts that are inconvenient to them.

Look at you blaming us with living by a passage of the Bible instead of using our own interpretation.
2 Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
2 Peter 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

YIC

Sorry, did you call me an imbecile? Another one of you arrogant "True Christian" said something about retards.. Let's take a look at this..
Jesus says onto his people, "Listen up imbeciles. I'm am God's only son. So you retards better listen to the word of God that I will explain." There, no hidden message or misinterpretation. Right.......

http://bible.org/seriespage/scripture-twisters-2-peter-314-18

The one I like the most was, "After all, God has spoken fully and finally in Christ (Hebrews 1:1-3; 2:1-4). But he does warn us false teachers will arise. They may not claim to reveal new truth from God on the level of Scripture, but they will seek to distort the Scriptures, twisting them to teach something vastly different from the intended meaning of the Bible."

That sums up your church quite well. You take the teachings of the bible and change it to make it suit your case. But actually, that's not even the problem I have right now. The main problem is that you are missing the messages passed by God THROUGH Jesus. One of them was love. Love your enemies, love your neighbours, love your family. No where did he call his mother a retard.
Matthew 5:44: http://bible.cc/matthew/5-44.htm all different ways of explaining it.

See, I can quote scriptures too.

[Ophero108]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist?

SHE was raped, now, raped means that she was FORCED to have intercourse. Your silly little mind might not comprehend this but forced means "against her will". The rapist should be jailed for life, you retarded little mindwashed child

[areyoukiddingme]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist?

Atheists are murderous and have no morals, so you think they flew the planes into the World Trade Center on 9/11 and have committed every act of terrorism before then and after?
Hmmmm. I'll have to pray on this. I truly thought it was mudslimes that did it.

I said religious.. As far as I know, atheists are "Without Gods" or "Unspiritual".. Religion = belief in something.

As for that, you've lost any/all credibility. But to humor (or humour depending on where you reside) you, every single person on earth has morals. Do you see all atheists murder their mothers, children, and family dogs? Do you see them stealing from people they love? It's a sad generalization from your church to conclude that they have no morals. As to being murderous? And your religion is without? Religion is the #1 world wide killer. Every religion has murder, it's the fact of life.

And honestly, God has killed more people than Satan. Source: Bible. Was it murder? Well, technically, yes it was, "To kill or slaughter inhumanly or barbarously" Source: Dictionary.com.

How many died from drowning when Noah built the ark? Pretty inhumane.

As for the rest of your post, I honestly stopped after "Morals".

[GOD=life]

Re: What can you do if your daughter refuses to marry her rapist?

you retarded little mindwashed child

Imbecile