[Basilissa]

Re: Impregnating your own daughter is NOT rape! (Genesis 19:32-36)

I believe in evolution. I also believe in the theories of the Universe being created by an explosion.

I don't think all these happened by themselves, though. I believe there is a spiritual force strong enough to do all these, and this is named 'God'. I believe that nothing happened against His will. He created everything as an explosion. He created people by evolution, through time, so we will be related with all this world has to offer.

Oh, so in your belief God is omnipotent, just kinda... slow: ca. 10 billions of years to create earth, another 4 billions of years to make Earth habitable for a human being, and another 5 millions of years to make the actual human being through series of trials, errors, and evolutionary dead ends.

Then, once the people are finally around, God doesn't care about them, doesn't give them any rules to be followed, just lets them kill and rape and exploit each other as they please.

Remind me again, why do you want to believe in and worship such a cruel God?

Repent before it's too late, sweetie!

[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

Re: Impregnating your own daughter is NOT rape! (Genesis 19:32-36)

I believe in evolution. I also believe in the theories of the Universe being created by an explosion.

I don't think all these happened by themselves, though. I believe there is a spiritual force strong enough to do all these, and this is named 'God'. I believe that nothing happened against His will. He created everything as an explosion. He created people by evolution, through time, so we will be related with all this world has to offer.

Have I got this right? You believe in some crazy heathen god who had the power to do anything, but instead of going down the smart, efficient route - like the one True God - instead actually CHOSE to take millions or billions or squillions or however many years your crazy sect thinks?

Think about it. Either your beliefs are not rational or your deity is insane.

Yours in Faith,
Joanna

[Witch Hammer]

Re: Impregnating your own daughter is NOT rape! (Genesis 19:32-36)

I believe in evolution. I also believe in the theories of the Universe being created by an explosion.

I don't think all these happened by themselves, though. I believe there is a spiritual force strong enough to do all these, and this is named 'God'. I believe that nothing happened against His will. He created everything as an explosion. He created people by evolution, through time, so we will be related with all this world has to offer.

You are a puppet dancing at the end of satan's string, witch! You only think that "common sense" or so-called "rational thought" is your motivational factor in rejecting the Infant Christ, when really it is the devil himself goading you away from The Light™ with his pitchfork! Stop living in ignorance and come join the worship!

[Christie]

Re: Impregnating your own daughter is NOT rape! (Genesis 19:32-36)

Oh, so in your belief God is omnipotent, just kinda... slow: ca. 10 billions of years to create earth, another 4 billions of years to make Earth habitable for a human being, and another 5 millions of years to make the actual human being through series of trials, errors, and evolutionary dead ends.

In human time, yes, but God isn't human. God has no time to relate to.
We have our own morals to follow, He put them into us for a reason. You don't need a book to tell you what to do, especially when it says raping your daughter is perfectly fine (impregnating her or not, RAPE means you have sex with someone who doesn't want to, so you're raping her anyway).

Following your morals, you know that it's wrong to kill people, it's wrong to rape someone and so many other things. You need no other rules but your good feelings to follow. I don't think it's cruel.

[Basilissa]

Re: Impregnating your own daughter is NOT rape! (Genesis 19:32-36)

In human time, yes, but God isn't human. God has no time to relate to.
We have our own morals to follow, He put them into us for a reason.

The problem with your reasoning is, that there is not such a thing like a single/universal morals set. Each culture is different. Even things that we think to be deeply ingrained in our human nature, actually aren't - even things like incest (especially between siblings) have been common at one point in time or another in different parts of the world.

When you think about morals that "God put in us to follow," you actually think about your own cultural values which you were socialized to treat as "natural.*" Newsflash, honey - they aren't, which is exactly why we need the Holy Bible to guide us.

You don't need a book to tell you what to do, especially when it says raping your daughter is perfectly fine (impregnating her or not, RAPE means you have sex with someone who doesn't want to, so you're raping her anyway).

Google "cultural relativism" when you have some time, honey.

Everything depends on context. For example: one group of Muslims beheads a single guy, and all Americans want to go and bomb the whole region. Another group of Muslims beheads eight people every month, and we think they are our best of friends and would never ever consider any type of military action against them.

Do you see the difference?
Do you see your own hypocrisy?

Following your morals, you know that it's wrong to kill people, it's wrong to rape someone and so many other things. You need no other rules but your good feelings to follow. I don't think it's cruel.

What about psychopaths/sociopaths? Why don't you ask one of them about their God-given morals, and what is a "good feeling to follow" for them!

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* This type of assumption is what ethographers call being extremely ethnocentric.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Impregnating your own daughter is NOT rape! (Genesis 19:32-36)

if some sort of drunk people want to write such thing as a "holy bible" then He won't do anything about it

Why not? Do you think God prefers us to be misled by drunk people over knowing the truth?

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Impregnating your own daughter is NOT rape! (Genesis 19:32-36)

I believe in evolution. I also believe in the theories of the Universe being created by an explosion.

I don't think all these happened by themselves, though. I believe there is a spiritual force strong enough to do all these, and this is named 'God'. I believe that nothing happened against His will. He created everything as an explosion. He created people by evolution, through time, so we will be related with all this world has to offer.

Have you ever thought this through, dear? This would make your 'God' a cruel, psychopathic tyrant. Think about it. The process of evolution, a process by which minute genetic mutations randomly occur, sometimes aids, sometimes hinders, sometimes makes no discernible difference at all for an individual, much less an entire species. Because one species evolves in relation to its environment, predators have evolved to be good predators, killing their prey in brutal scenes of bloody triumph, the rewards of a good hunt to be the live evisceration and consumption of an otherwise peaceful animal. Because one species evolves in relation to its environment, prey have evolved to escape, if not completely avoid detection, of the beast that must eat lest it die that day or the next. An unsuccessful hunt weakens the animal, rendering it more vulnerable to other prey, inside or outside its own community. If you've ever felt low blood sugar, imagine having to hunt like that, knowing that if the sun sets the next day without success, you will be killed like the prey whose scent makes your salivary glands quiver in anticipation.

This doesn't take into account the kind of suffering that comes from infection, a simple sliver causing a staff infection that would swiftly wipe out the life of a child. It doesn't take into account the kind of suffering that comes from childbirth, the loss of blood and oxygen that naturally kills both mother and child because the birth canal is not naturally designed to reliably accommodate the size of the fetus' skull. It doesn't take into account the suffering that comes from imprisonment from humans, who are prone to paranoia and tribal thinking, the kind of thinking that identifies an enemy in seemingly irrational cues like race, religion, economic or social policy.

The overwhelmingly majority of conscious, sentient beings do not die peacefully in their beds, surrounded by loved ones, pampered and soothed in loving compassion. And this, according to you, is how your 'God' would intend it. This is the 'God' you worship. This is the 'God' you love and honor and hold in highest regard. This 'God' is disgusting. This 'God' is horrifying. This 'God' is capricious and sociopathic and would be judged to be villainous and unworthy of the tiniest piece of affection if he were any other character, one allowed to be judged fairly and intelligently. This is a 'God' who could have designed a morally positive creation, but instead opted for one that is inherently filled with fear and pain, and watches from afar without concern. Your 'God' is a character I would spit on if he were real and I had to the opportunity to do so.

The Real God, the God revealed in the Holy Bible however, is a loving, merciful God (1 John 4:8). The Real God created a world in Perfect Glory to reveal His Glory (Philippians 2:9-11). The Real God allows freedom of will so that people can choose to Glorify Him or not (Mark 8:34). The Real God sent His Only Begotten Son to pay the price of Sin so that after this world of suffering, the world poisoned by Sin, the genuine lover of the Real God will be rewarded for ever and ever (Romans 4:25). Amen.

[Christie]

Re: Impregnating your own daughter is NOT rape! (Genesis 19:32-36)

Why not? Do you think God prefers us to be misled by drunk people over knowing the truth?

No. Of course He would like us to know the truth, but He wants us to discover our own way to Him. The Bible you believe in was wrote by people, just like there are many authors out there writing books. It's not His fault you believe more in a book than you believe in the actual God .

[Christie]

Re: Impregnating your own daughter is NOT rape! (Genesis 19:32-36)

Have you ever thought this through, dear? This would make your 'God' a cruel, psychopathic tyrant. Think about it. The process of evolution, a process by which minute genetic mutations randomly occur, sometimes aids, sometimes hinders, sometimes makes no discernible difference at all for an individual, much less an entire species. Because one species evolves in relation to its environment, predators have evolved to be good predators, killing their prey in brutal scenes of bloody triumph, the rewards of a good hunt to be the live evisceration and consumption of an otherwise peaceful animal. Because one species evolves in relation to its environment, prey have evolved to escape, if not completely avoid detection, of the beast that must eat lest it die that day or the next. An unsuccessful hunt weakens the animal, rendering it more vulnerable to other prey, inside or outside its own community. If you've ever felt low blood sugar, imagine having to hunt like that, knowing that if the sun sets the next day without success, you will be killed like the prey whose scent makes your salivary glands quiver in anticipation.

This doesn't take into account the kind of suffering that comes from infection, a simple sliver causing a staff infection that would swiftly wipe out the life of a child. It doesn't take into account the kind of suffering that comes from childbirth, the loss of blood and oxygen that naturally kills both mother and child because the birth canal is not naturally designed to reliably accommodate the size of the fetus' skull. It doesn't take into account the suffering that comes from imprisonment from humans, who are prone to paranoia and tribal thinking, the kind of thinking that identifies an enemy in seemingly irrational cues like race, religion, economic or social policy.

The overwhelmingly majority of conscious, sentient beings do not die peacefully in their beds, surrounded by loved ones, pampered and soothed in loving compassion. And this, according to you, is how your 'God' would intend it. This is the 'God' you worship. This is the 'God' you love and honor and hold in highest regard. This 'God' is disgusting. This 'God' is horrifying. This 'God' is capricious and sociopathic and would be judged to be villainous and unworthy of the tiniest piece of affection if he were any other character, one allowed to be judged fairly and intelligently. This is a 'God' who could have designed a morally positive creation, but instead opted for one that is inherently filled with fear and pain, and watches from afar without concern. Your 'God' is a character I would spit on if he were real and I had to the opportunity to do so.

The Real God, the God revealed in the Holy Bible however, is a loving, merciful God (1 John 4:8). The Real God created a world in Perfect Glory to reveal His Glory (Philippians 2:9-11). The Real God allows freedom of will so that people can choose to Glorify Him or not (Mark 8:34). The Real God sent His Only Begotten Son to pay the price of Sin so that after this world of suffering, the world poisoned by Sin, the genuine lover of the Real God will be rewarded for ever and ever (Romans 4:25). Amen.

Well, death would occur anyway. Death is painful anyway. BUT at least, I believe in a God who loves His creation. A God who doesn't think some of His creations are less useful than others. A God who forgives. A God who doesn't care if you're suicidal, homosexual, sick, "useless" to the others, 'cause He will love you anyway. He won't judge you if you mistake in life, but He will listen and forgive. Because you are His creation and because without bad, there wouldn't be good. A God who loves you, who created you through His very first creations so you'll be related to the outside world

You believe in a God who accepts "impregnating" your own daughter. Who says that it's okay to sell you wife or daughter .Who hates some of His creations just because they have mental problems they DIDN'T CHOSE TO HAVE ( I'm talking about suicidal / homosexual / sick people in general ). Maybe there is a reason why those people are this way. As I said before, without bad you wouldn't be able to see the good.

You are a woman. How come you agree to believe in a God who allows your daughter to be impregnated by her dad? You, as a mother, HOW would you feel? To know the child you grew in your tummy with so much care and love is now pregnant with her father? And much more, GOD ALLOWS THAT. Isn't that a cruel God?

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Impregnating your own daughter is NOT rape! (Genesis 19:32-36)

No. Of course He would like us to know the truth, but He wants us to discover our own way to Him.

So why does God allow people to be misled by the Bible? Do you think God stopped caring?

To know the child you grew in your tummy with so much care and love is now pregnant with her father? And much more, GOD ALLOWS THAT. Isn't that a cruel God?

So you think God lost control?

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Impregnating your own daughter is NOT rape! (Genesis 19:32-36)

No. Of course He would like us to know the truth, but He wants us to discover our own way to Him. The Bible you believe in was wrote by people, just like there are many authors out there writing books. It's not His fault you believe more in a book than you believe in the actual God .

So then Harry Potter and Winnie the Pooh are just as valid and meaningful as the Holy Bible? Really?

You would have us believe that Islam is just as good as Christianity. Christianity was founded by the virgin-born son of God, Jesus Christ. Islam was founded by Muhammad, a demon-possessed pedophile who had 12 wives, the last one of which was a nine-year-old girl. BIG DIFFERENCE, heathen!

God wrote the Bible, don't you doubt it for a second. Satan wants you to believe that mankind wrote the Bible, but it's not true. God Almighty, creator of the known universe, gave us the KJV Bible so that we would know His Holy word. Jesus Himself said that we are to obey EVERY WORD of the Holy Bible!

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Matthew 5:18

Why are you even here? This is a Christian forum, did you know that? What part of UNSAVED NOT WELCOME did you not understand?

[Christie]

Re: Impregnating your own daughter is NOT rape! (Genesis 19:32-36)

So why does God allow people to be misled by the Bible? Do you think God stopped caring?

So you think God lost control?

1. There are so many questions, if we think a bit: Why does God allow atheist people to exist? Why does God allow other religions to exist, if they are "misleading" the people? The truth is that it's you very own fault if you let yourself misled by a book. God gave the world free will, and look what they did with it. Of course He didn't stop caring. He is just waiting for each one of us to see His true nature, not the one that other people put down on a paper because they magically thought they know all the meanings of God and everything God represents.

2. He didn't lost control, He has control of everything. There is a reason why sometimes God leaves mistakes to be done in this world: Without them, some people would never learn their lessons. Without mistakes, there wouldn't be truth and justice. A God who allows acts of cruelty is obviously a cruel God. I honestly don't believe there is such thing as a cruel God.

[Christie]

Re: Impregnating your own daughter is NOT rape! (Genesis 19:32-36)

So then Harry Potter and Winnie the Pooh are just as valid and meaningful as the Holy Bible? Really?

You would have us believe that Islam is just as good as Christianity. Christianity was founded by the virgin-born son of God, Jesus Christ. Islam was founded by Muhammad, a demon-possessed pedophile who had 12 wives, the last one of which was a nine-year-old girl. BIG DIFFERENCE, heathen!

God wrote the Bible, don't you doubt it for a second. Satan wants you to believe that mankind wrote the Bible, but it's not true. God Almighty, creator of the known universe, gave us the KJV Bible so that we would know His Holy word. Jesus Himself said that we are to obey EVERY WORD of the Holy Bible!



Why are you even here? This is a Christian forum, did you know that? What part of UNSAVED NOT WELCOME did you not understand?

At least, Harry Potter and Winnie the Pooh never pretended to be true stories as the Bible did. You are talking about a pedophile like it's something bad (which it really is ) , but you forgot your religion allows pedophilia too. Fathers impregnating their young daughters isn't pedophilia as well? Look, I'm so sick of religion, as you see it. Religion is supposed to guide you to the best qualities, to the best in life, but instead of doing that, all the religions are trying to manipulate people and make them do whatever they are told. They are teaching you that females are miserable and useless human beings, that there's no problem if you're daughter gets raped by an uninvited guest. Where is the respect? Where are the kind words? Where is the love your so called "PERFECT" God put into us? Where is the acceptance? Where is the parent - children love? No religion is completely pure, but all of them pretend to be right.

Are you sure your beloved Jesus said that? What's your proof? OOOH I forgot. Your proof is the Bible. So in the Bible someone wrote that Jesus said you HAVE to believe every word in the Bible. Maybe Jesus has never said that. It was just wrote in the Bible so it will make it more believable.

God left life on Earth, not a book. A book is created by people. It has no life. As I said, the only proof you have that God exists is the Earth you're standing on and the life around you. The book that appeared after is just something people created to manipulate people back then.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Impregnating your own daughter is NOT rape! (Genesis 19:32-36)

1. There are so many questions, if we think a bit: Why does God allow atheist people to exist? Why does God allow other religions to exist, if they are "misleading" the people? The truth is that it's you very own fault if you let yourself misled by a book. God gave the world free will, and look what they did with it. Of course He didn't stop caring. He is just waiting for each one of us to see His true nature, not the one that other people put down on a paper because they magically thought they know all the meanings of God and everything God represents.

So according to you the Holy Bible is nonsense and the only way to figure out what God wants from us is to "guess" and to "feel" it!? Don't you see how weird this is? That God would allow a nonsensical Bible to exist and give us no clues whatsoever on what is the real truth!?

2. He didn't lost control, He has control of everything. There is a reason why sometimes God leaves mistakes to be done in this world: Without them, some people would never learn their lessons. Without mistakes, there wouldn't be truth and justice. A God who allows acts of cruelty is obviously a cruel God. I honestly don't believe there is such thing as a cruel God.

So God created child rapists, murderers and Obama voters so we can learn from it? What exactly is the lesson a child that gets raped and then murdered learns?

Do you really NOT see how flawed your logic is? That IF God is so mighty and all powerful that He could create absolutely everything (which we know He is) that He will also be capable of creating a simple book!?

[Dolores de Barriga]

Re: Impregnating your own daughter is NOT rape! (Genesis 19:32-36)

1. There are so many questions, if we think a bit: Why does God allow atheist people to exist? Why does God allow other religions to exist, if they are "misleading" the people? The truth is that it's you very own fault if you let yourself misled by a book.

Hello Christie. I find your confidence in your view of God fascinating. Have you ever thought about creating your own religion? Because thousands of people before you have thought that they had the exclusivity on the correct view of God. Have you ever though what makes you so special, that your view of God would be the correct one, in contrast to all other prophets/founders of religions?

God gave the world free will, and look what they did with it. Of course He didn't stop caring.

May I use an analogy? If you see a father (let's call him "Father A"), who doesn't give his children any directions to what is right and what is wrong, just sits back and relaxes watching as one of his children enslaves, tortures, and kills a sibling, would you call this father "caring?"

Now if we compare Father A with another father (let's call him "Father B"), who gives his children a specific set of directions of what is right and what is wrong, and who punishes the children who do not follow these directions, and rewards the children who do, would call this father "caring?"

News flash: the God you believe in is the first father. Personally, I would call him sadistic, not caring. The members of the Landover Baptist Church believe in God who is like the second father. You might think that some of His rules are harsh, but that's what caring fathers do - give their children clear rules to follow.

He is just waiting for each one of us to see His true nature,

How do you know this, if you don't have a Scripture to follow? What makes you so special, how come you know what God wants, when millions of millions of people living since the beginning of humankind had millions of different ideas about the true nature of God?

not the one that other people put down on a paper because they magically thought they know all the meanings of God and everything God represents.

So... are you admitting, that you have no idea what is God's true nature and what He really wants of us either?

2. He didn't lost control, He has control of everything. There is a reason why sometimes God leaves mistakes to be done in this world: Without them, some people would never learn their lessons.

So you really need millions of people to be tortured, enslaved, raped, burnt at the stake, starved to death, etc, etc, for the sole reason of "some people" learning their lessons?

Interesting. I don't think I like your view of God. He seems like a psychopath. He definitely isn't a person I would like to meet walking alone through a dark alley. He might want me to learn a lesson, to never walk alone through a dark alley again.

Without mistakes, there wouldn't be truth and justice.

Wait, I'm confused. When do you think there will be "truth and justice?" Because there hasn't been justice on earth since the advent of agriculture, and there hasn't been truth on earth, well, since the people first started talking. I mean, even if you are the poster child of white privilege, I hope that you can see that not everybody was born with a silver spoon.

A God who allows acts of cruelty is obviously a cruel God. I honestly don't believe there is such thing as a cruel God.

But the God you have imagined is the most cruel of them all!

Look, I'm so sick of religion, as you see it. Religion is supposed to guide you to the best qualities, to the best in life, but instead of doing that, all the religions are trying to manipulate people and make them do whatever they are told.

Some scholars argue that this was the reason why religions were invented in the first place.

They are teaching you that females are miserable and useless human beings, that there's no problem if you're daughter gets raped by an uninvited guest. Where is the respect? Where are the kind words? Where is the love your so called "PERFECT" God put into us? Where is the acceptance? Where is the parent - children love? No religion is completely pure, but all of them pretend to be right.

This is interesting. So you follow Plato's idealist view - somewhere out there there is an ideal religion, and all real religions are imperfect reflections of it. Based on what you said previously, somehow you have the exclusive access to the true religion, which allows you to see the true nature of God.

I'm not a psychologist, but I think you need to see one, urgently. I'm sure there are some pills which will be able to bring you back to reality.

Are you sure your beloved Jesus said that? What's your proof? OOOH I forgot. Your proof is the Bible. So in the Bible someone wrote that Jesus said you HAVE to believe every word in the Bible. Maybe Jesus has never said that. It was just wrote in the Bible so it will make it more believable.

Whether you believe the entire account of Jesus' life or not, the three synoptic Gospels - Matthew, Luke, and Mark - agree pretty closely in relation to what Jesus said. Therefore, there is little doubt that there was a historical Jesus, even if the events of his actual biography might be a bit sketchy.

God left life on Earth, not a book. A book is created by people. It has no life. As I said, the only proof you have that God exists is the Earth you're standing on and the life around you. The book that appeared after is just something people created to manipulate people back then.

No. If you reject the Bible and other sacred texts of other religions, the earth you walk on and the life you see is evidence of cold, cruel laws of evolution.