The Bible is PRO-CHOICE!

[Serenity-Millennium]

It's true! A lot of Christian say abortion is wrong, but I have studied the Bible thoroughly, and guess what - it's not mentioned in there! BUT - what IS in there definitely leads me to believe God respects a woman's right to CHOOSE!

First of all, according to the Bible, a fetus is not yet a human being!

Exodus 21: 22-25 "When there's a fight and in the fight a pregnant woman is hit so that she miscarries but is not otherwise hurt, the one responsible has to pay whatever the husband demands in compensation. But if there is further damage, then you must give life for life—eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.

According to this verse, a woman who lost her baby has not been accosted of any life, and the guilty party is not charged with murder for making the woman miscarry.

[Brother Enoch]

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The Bible is PRO-CHOICE!

Of course it is. You get to choose Heaven or Hell.

I see you've made your choice. Hope you don't regret it when you're burning in Hell!
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[Serenity-Millennium]

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Of course it is. You get to choose Heaven or Hell.

I see you've made your choice. Hope you don't regret it!

I've already explained to you all, silly billy, there is no hell, but let's not open THAT can of worms again

In the matter of salvation, there is no choice. You are saved no matter how evil you are. But God doesn't frown on abortion, no sir.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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It's true! A lot of Christian say abortion is wrong, but I have studied the Bible thoroughly, and guess what - it's not mentioned in there! BUT - what IS in there definitely leads me to believe God respects a woman's right to CHOOSE!

First of all, according to the Bible, a fetus is not yet a human being!

Exodus 21: 22-25 "When there's a fight and in the fight a pregnant woman is hit so that she miscarries but is not otherwise hurt, the one responsible has to pay whatever the husband demands in compensation. But if there is further damage, then you must give life for life—eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.

According to this verse, a woman who lost her baby has not been accosted of any life, and the guilty party is not charged with murder for making the woman miscarry.

What satanic Bible did you get that verse from? My KJV says something quite different.

Exodus 21:22 If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.
21:23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
21:24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
21:25 Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.

Do you know what "strive" means, hippie? It doesn't mean murder a baby on purpose! Don't come in here blaspheming!

[Serenity-Millennium]

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What satanic Bible did you get that verse from? My KJV says something quite different.



Do you know what "strive" means, hippie? It doesn't mean murder a baby on purpose! Don't come in here blaspheming!

Ok, well the man is still not charged with life, although the standard is life for life. There are rules in the books of Moses for manslaughter, which is not the punishment here.

Consider this, God places no value on the life of infants less than one month old:

Leviticus 27: 1-8 God spoke to Moses: He said, "Speak to the People of Israel. Tell them, If anyone wants to vow the value of a person to the service of God, set the value of a man between the ages of twenty and sixty at fifty shekels of silver, according to the Sanctuary shekel. For a woman the valuation is thirty shekels. If the person is between the ages of five and twenty, set the value at twenty shekels for a male and ten shekels for a female. If the person is between one month and five years, set the value at five shekels of silver for a boy and three shekels of silver for a girl. If the person is over sixty, set the value at fifteen shekels for a man and ten shekels for a woman. If anyone is too poor to pay the stated amount, he is to present the person to the priest, who will then set the value for him according to what the person making the vow can afford.

And they are not counted as persons:

Numbers 3: 14-16 God spoke to Moses in the Wilderness of Sinai: "Count the Levites by their ancestral families and clans. Count every male a month old and older." Moses counted them just as he was instructed by the mouth of God.



The message is plain - life does not begin at conception. It does not even begin at birth. It begins one month after birth!

[Cranky Old Man]

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So according to you we should rip this page from our Bibles?

Jeremiah 1:5 "Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations."

[Miss Cassandra]

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It's true! A lot of Christian say abortion is wrong, but I have studied the Bible thoroughly, and guess what - it's not mentioned in there! BUT - what IS in there definitely leads me to believe God respects a woman's right to CHOOSE!

Is that really true? I haven't been in any abortion related situation in my life, but I believe the Moon Goddess respects at least the wishes of a woman in this.
On the other hand, Motherhood is sacred for us wiccans as well, and a woman should think hard about it before making a choice.

According to this verse, a woman who lost her baby has not been accosted of any life, and the guilty party is not charged with murder for making the woman miscarry.

But he has to repay with "whatever the husband wants."
1. If the husband is a jerk, he could really ruin someone with this.
2. Why the husband? Isn't it the woman's baby? Typical case of repression of women in the bible.

You see, I grew up in the very community these people hail from, and I'm really fed up with their close-minded acceptance of their 2000-year old book.

In the matter of salvation, there is no choice. You are saved no matter how evil you are. But God doesn't frown on abortion, no sir.

So you believe that good people are going to heaven together with people like Hitler, Mao, Stalin and Pastor Ezekiel? I'm impressed by your ability to forgive, sir. Maybe I can learn something from you in this respect.

Consider this, God places no value on the life of infants less than one month old:

The message is plain - life does not begin at conception. It does not even begin at birth. It begins one month after birth!

I'm torn. You seem to be a really nice person, and maybe you could talk some sense into these idiots. However, you do not really think a one-month old baby is worthless, do you?

Anyway, I like you, may I call you Serenity? I think you are a good person, even though you read an evil book like the bible.

Maybe you can teach these christians to take it a little easier, though I personally have no hope anyone can reach these braindead idiots. Nineteen years of experience with the fists of my father and the teachings of Pastor Ezekiel have taken care of that.

Of course, with the mayoral elections going on, I have good hope things will change now!

[True Disciple]

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I've already explained to you all, silly billy, there is no hell, but let's not open THAT can of worms again

No, let's not do that. You gave it your best try, and failed miserably. The vicarious shame was almost getting too much for me near the end!

In the matter of salvation, there is no choice. You are saved no matter how evil you are. But God doesn't frown on abortion, no sir.

I agree with Brother Cranky here:

So according to you we should rip this page from our Bibles?

Jeremiah 1:5 "Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations."

[Nobar King]

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I think you need a new user handle. How about senility millennium?

[Jeb Stuart Thurmond]

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The issue of who is allowed to murder babies and in what circumstances is explained in detail here: What Christians believe about Abortion

[Samuel Coleridge]

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So according to you we should rip this page from our Bibles?

Jeremiah 1:5 "Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations."

I believe so, considering that particular verse refers to the prophet Jeremiah specifically.

[True Disciple]

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I believe so, considering that particular verse refers to the prophet Jeremiah specifically.

What has that got do to with anything?

[James Hutchins]

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S-M is right some twisted respect.

God is pro choice. We have free will. We can do what we want. We can make the right choices in life (be married, have a baby every 10 months and with luck, go to heaven) or the wrong ones (be a harlot, abort every one of Gods precious little children and go to Hell).

[Serenity-Millennium]

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So according to you we should rip this page from our Bibles?

Jeremiah 1:5 "Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations."

Unfortunately, anti-choicers usually stop right there, and forget the rest of Verse 5, which negates their preferred meaning:
"...'and I appointed you a prophet to the nations.'"
This passage is specific to one, very special person—Jeremiah the prophet, whom God has called to provide miraculous powers and authority to the world. Since we are not all destined to be divine prophets, this verse cannot be construed as applying to any fetus except the unborn Jeremiah. Again, anti-choicers are being dishonest by pulling this verse totally out of its context.

Let's turn now to the several Biblical passages that actually mention abortion or miscarriage. Ironically, in spite of God giving divine status to the prophet Jeremiah while he was in the womb, Jeremiah emphatically rejects this for himself. Later in his book, he wishes he had been aborted! The following passage is a lamentation by Jeremiah:

"Cursed be the day on which I was born! The day when my mother bore me, let it not be blessed! Cursed be the man who brought the news to my father, 'A son is born to you', making him very glad. Let that man be like the cities which the Lord overthrew without pity; let him hear a cry in the morning and an alarm at noon, because he did not kill me in the womb; so my mother would have been my grave, and her womb for ever great." (Jeremiah 20:14-17)

In verse 18, he concludes with the anguished cry:

"Why did I come forth from the womb to see toil and sorrow, and spend my days in shame?"

[Serenity-Millennium]

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But he has to repay with "whatever the husband wants."
1. If the husband is a jerk, he could really ruin someone with this.
2. Why the husband? Isn't it the woman's baby? Typical case of repression of women in the bible.

Yes, I suppose this is a case of misogynistic human writers of the Bible inserting their own views into God's Holy Word. Of course, only the parts that I agree with can be really divinely inspired

You see, I grew up in the very community these people hail from, and I'm really fed up with their close-minded acceptance of their 2000-year old book.

But you should be accepting of ALL people!!! I love, love LOVE the people here on Landover!

So you believe that good people are going to heaven together with people like Hitler, Mao, Stalin and Pastor Ezekiel? I'm impressed by your ability to forgive, sir. Maybe I can learn something from you in this respect.

Of course. By now, Hitler, Mao, and Stalin have been basking in the warm eternal bliss of God's love for decades, just as they deserve.

I'm torn. You seem to be a really nice person, and maybe you could talk some sense into these idiots. However, you do not really think a one-month old baby is worthless, do you?

Not worthless, just not a human being.

Anyway, I like you, may I call you Serenity? I think you are a good person, even though you read an evil book like the bible.

The Bible isn't evil. The Bible is warmth and love, rainbows, puppies and lolipops! You shouldn't be so judgmental, it makes Jesus cry

Maybe you can teach these christians to take it a little easier, though I personally have no hope anyone can reach these braindead idiots. Nineteen years of experience with the fists of my father and the teachings of Pastor Ezekiel have taken care of that.

Braindead idiots?! Oh my, that is SO rude

Matthew 5:


Murder

21-22"You're familiar with the command to the ancients, 'Do not murder.' I'm telling you that anyone who is so much as angry with a brother or sister is guilty of murder. Carelessly call a brother 'idiot!' and you just might find yourself hauled into court. Thoughtlessly yell 'stupid!' at a sister and you are on the brink of hellfire. The simple moral fact is that words kill.

So basically, ending the life of someone less than a month old = not murder.

Calling someone an idiot = murder.

I hope we're clear on this