[Bogdana Alkeav]

Re: Let's Talk About S-E-X (Bible Style!)

Then how do you know when feet do mean genitals and when they don't? Now you're just arbitrarily redefining the word "feet" whenever it fits your atheist agenda.

It's nothing to do with the atheist agenda. Believer-In-God mentioned using Blue Letter Bible earlier, well, I looked up foot in their Bible Dictionary, here: http://www.blueletterbible.org/Searc...x=45&entry.y=9

"Foot" or "feet" is sometimes used euphemistically for the genitals (De 28:57; Eze 16:25).

Now, I realize that the use of the word feet in those phrase is similar to the English expression of spreading your legs. But spreading your legs is itself just a euphemism for exposing your genitals.

[True Disciple]

Re: Let's Talk About S-E-X (Bible Style!)

It's nothing to do with the atheist agenda. Believer-In-God mentioned using Blue Letter Bible earlier, well, I looked up foot in their Bible Dictionary, here: http://www.blueletterbible.org/Searc...x=45&entry.y=9

And why exactly would this "Blue Letter Bible" be a greater authority than the KJV?

But spreading your legs is itself just a euphemism for exposing your genitals.

Yes, I know that. The point is that "legs" as in "spreading the legs" does not mean "genitals," as "spreading the legs" refers to the act of physically spreading the legs. The same accounts, of course, for "opening your feet," which means moving them apart to let a fornicator in.

[Bogdana Alkeav]

Re: Let's Talk About S-E-X (Bible Style!)

-"All the fair young virgins" throughout the kingdom are brought before the king, and the one that "pleaseth" the king the most will replace Vashti. Esther 2:2-4

-When it was Esther turn to "go in unto the king," she pleases the king the most. So, having won the sex contest, she is made queen in Vashti's place. Esther 2:8-9, 12-17

-Since women are inherently dirty, the woman that "pleased the king" the most must be "purified" for twelve months before she can be made queen. Esther 2:9-12

[True Disciple]

Re: Let's Talk About S-E-X (Bible Style!)

-"All the fair young virgins" throughout the kingdom are brought before the king, and the one that "pleaseth" the king the most will replace Vashti. Esther 2:2-4

-When it was Esther turn to "go in unto the king," she pleases the king the most. So, having won the sex contest, she is made queen in Vashti's place. Esther 2:8-9, 12-17

-Since women are inherently dirty, the woman that "pleased the king" the most must be "purified" for twelve months before she can be made queen. Esther 2:9-12

What exactly is your point here?

[Bogdana Alkeav]

Re: Let's Talk About S-E-X (Bible Style!)

I'm trying to get a discussion going about sex and the Bible, but nobody seems interested in getting in on the morality of what the Bible says on the matter.

-The author of this psalm allegedly is David. If so, then it's not surprising that his "loins" would be "filled with a loathsome disease." After all, his promiscuity was legendary, and he probably didn't practice safe sex. Psalms 38:5, 7

-Solomon's advice to married man: "Let her breasts satisfy thee at all times; and be thou ravished always with her love." Proverbs 5:18

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Let's Talk About S-E-X (Bible Style!)

I'm trying to get a discussion going about sex and the Bible, but nobody seems interested in getting in on the morality of what the Bible says on the matter.

They probably gave up 20 posting ago. Also I don't really get what you are trying to discuss. You have mostly been mentioning scripture and rewriting it in your own words.

What is it exactly that you want to discuss? If your answer is something I can understand I will try to discuss it with you.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

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I'm trying to get a discussion going about sex and the Bible, but nobody seems interested in getting in on the morality of what the Bible says on the matter.

I would be interested in discussing your Salvation(tm), but I doubt if you're going to confuse any of the True Christians(tm) here enough to get them to discuss sex with an atheist. Plus, the main idea of the Bible is Salvation(tm), not sex, so you can cherry pick the Word of God(tm) all day, but you'll never drag us down to Hell with you, Bog lady.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: Let's Talk About S-E-X (Bible Style!)

I'm trying to get a discussion going about sex and the Bible, but nobody seems interested in getting in on the morality of what the Bible says on the matter.

Then discuss already. In particular, tell us how you think the morality of what the Bible says is determined. Either the Lord approves of something, in which case it's moral, or He doesn't, in which case it isn't. Surely even you, a commie atheist female, can understand that.

[Bogdana Alkeav]

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I'm simply trying to understand why the Bible spends so much time describing all of these sordid sexual affairs. Is this a guide to how we are supposed to act?

-Proverbs 7:18 describes the "immoral woman", who says, "Come let us take our fill of love until the morning."

-One of the four "wonderful" things is the way of a man with a virgin. Proverbs 30:18-19

[True Disciple]

Re: Let's Talk About S-E-X (Bible Style!)

I'm simply trying to understand why the Bible spends so much time describing all of these sordid sexual affairs. Is this a guide to how we are supposed to act?

-Proverbs 7:18 describes the "immoral woman", who says, "Come let us take our fill of love until the morning."

-One of the four "wonderful" things is the way of a man with a virgin. Proverbs 30:18-19

Of course the Bible is the best guide on that. However, most examples you give (like Proverbs 7:18) are explicitly condemning the acts described. If you want to know what the bible really teaches about such issues, look at this Passage:

Leviticus 20:10:
And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

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I'm simply trying to understand why the Bible spends so much time describing all of these sordid sexual affairs.

Who are you to question the Lord's priorities?

[Bogdana Alkeav]

Re: Let's Talk About S-E-X (Bible Style!)

Of course the Bible is the best guide on that. However, most examples you give (like Proverbs 7:18) are explicitly condemning the acts described. If you want to know what the bible really teaches about such issues, look at this Passage:

Leviticus 20:10:
And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

Right, but what do Levitical laws have to do with Christians? You don't eat porkchops either?

-"Let him kiss me with the kisses of his mouth: for thy love is better than wine." A fitting beginning for a pornographic poem. The Song of Solomon is either a song about Solomon's sexual escapades with a woman he apparently is not married to yet, or else a story about Jesus' love for his Church, and his deeply erotic interest in Christians.

-"He [JESUS] shall lie all night betwixt my [the Church's] breasts."

-"I[the Church] sat down under his [JESUS'] shadow with great delight, and his fruit was sweet to my taste."

-"His [Jesus'] left hand is under my [the Church's] head and his right hand doth embrace me." She asks not to be disturbed "till he please."

-Our heroine [the Church] takes her lover [Jesus] into her mother's bedroom and asks not to be disturbed "till he please."

-"Thy [the Church's] two breasts are like two young roes that are twins." - says Jesus.

[True Disciple]

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Right, but what do Levitical laws have to do with Christians? You don't eat porkchops either?

What Leviticus has to do with the Old Testament? Excuse me?

Matthew 5:17-19:
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

The reason I eat pork is because Jesus provides a special amendment to the laws for meat:

Acts 10:12-15:
Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air. And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common

Finally, Song of Solomon is about Jesus and the church? Where does this idea come from? I don't know what kind of mushrooms grow in the forests of Siberia, but they're doubtlessly detrimental to your mental health, lady.

[Bogdana Alkeav]

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What Leviticus has to do with the Old Testament? Excuse me?

Oh yeah, one quote REALLY makes your point. Never mind that Jesus said he was coming to fulfill the Law, meaning he was going to do away with it according to almost every interpretation ever made.

Luke 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John [the Baptist]: since that time the kingdom of heaven is preached.
Romans 6:14 Ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Romans 7:4, 6 Ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ .... We are delivered from the law, that being dead.
Romans 10:4 Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
2 Corinthians 3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same veil untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which veil is done away in Christ.
Galatians 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law.
Galatians 3:24-25 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Galatians 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Ephesians 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances.
Colossians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances ... nailing it to his cross.

Finally, Song of Solomon is about Jesus and the church? Where does this idea come from? I don't know what kind of mushrooms grow in the forests of Siberia, but they're doubtlessly detrimental to your mental health, lady.

That is the interpretation I have been told by every Christian I've ever met as to what Song of Solomon means to the Bible. Do you agree then that it is just a song about a man's sexual escapades with a woman he is probably not married to?

[Bogdana Alkeav]

Re: Let's Talk About S-E-X (Bible Style!)

-"Come [Solomon?] ... blow upon my garden, that the spices thereof may flow out. Let my beloved come into his garden, and eat his pleasant fruits."

-"My beloved [Solomon?] put in his hand by the hole of the door, and my bowels were moved for him." 5:4

-"My hands dropped with myrrh.... I opened to my beloved [Solomon?]; but my beloved had withdrawn himself."

-"Thy two breasts are like two young roes that are twins." - said Solomon.

-"How pleasant art thou, O love, for delights! ... Thy breasts shall be as clusters of the vine."- said Solomon.

-"Let us get up early to the vineyards ... there will I give thee my loves." - said Solomon

-"His [Solomon's?] left hand should be under my head, and his right hand should embrace me.... Stir not up, nor awake my love, until he please."

-"We have a little sister, and she hath no breasts ... But my breasts [are] like towers." - Solomon's lover brags about her bra size?